Thursday, August 23, 2018

Today's Blind Items - The Tapes

Everyone knows they exist. That is not a secret. Well, I mean, it is a secret to most people but not the participants or those close to them. This is not a hidden camera thing. The battle over these tapes has been going on for just about two decades. What do the tapes contain? Lots of sex and a whole lot of coke. For the first few years after the recordings were made, this A list politician tried to acquire them from his best friend who also happened to make the recordings. The best friend made the recordings of himself and his ex-girlfriend who now was the girlfriend of the politician. The girlfriend wanted them so the politician tried to get them. He was probably going to get them until the new girlfriend of the best friend intervened. She said they might come in handy down the road. She was certainly prescient. They are worth millions now to the right buyer. There is a new person in this world though who has no idea the recordings exist and it would be a major bomb dropping if they got out. For the first time in a long time, the original group is talking about them again and trying to make a deal. My guess is there will be no deal. Way too valuable.

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  1. Epstein has tapes of Trump?

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  2. Trump is A+ list now and not a politician 20 years ago.

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    1. Ah good point.

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    2. The wording is kind of vague in this regard. The wording isn't exclusive that the pol was A-list then or even a pool (if it did, Newsome would be out), or that either of the gfs went on to become a wife.

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  3. What A list politicians are not married?

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    1. They can be married and still have a girlfriend ?

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  4. John Edwards maybe or a Newt Gingrich.

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    1. Both of them were married 20 years ago.

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  5. How about Governor Cuomo?

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    1. He was married 20 years ago.

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    2. +1 for Andrew Cuomo. Isn't his long term gf Sandra Lee?

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  6. Maybe it's Marco Rubio, he had a pretty sketchy past that seemed to get itself erased.

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  7. Bill Clinton (coke via the Mena airport connect when he was governor of Arkansas)

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  8. Im more interested in the "new person", but I guess we have to know the people in question first.

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  9. Trump doesn’t do drugs. Then again it’s a sex take from 20 years ago? Could be anyone. What would it matter now? Even if it is Clinton? Unless it’s kids?

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    1. Maybe the person is still active in politics and this "new person" would use it as blackmail or would go straight to the media. (Could harm re-election)

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    2. "Trump doesn't do drugs." Based on his claims. Like he's known to be an honest and reliable person. I cant believe people still buy this.

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  10. Willie Brown and Kamala Harris??

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  11. A lister: Gavin Newsom
    Girlfriend: Kimberley Guilfoyle
    Best friend: ?
    New person: Trump JR

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  12. A good default answer for any politician having questionable sex Kennedy--Joe Kennedy III. May be getting ready to run for POTUS

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  13. Are people reading the blind? The politician isn't the man in the recordings. He wanted the recordings because the woman in them became his girlfriend, and she asked him to get them to protect her from scandal. The man in the recordings, who also recorded them, was the best friend of the politician.

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  14. The friend was doing the coke and recording the sex.

    So, the politician isn't on the tapes, correct?

    The tapes are the friend, the girl, the sex and the drugs. The friend and the girl are who would get hurt if the tapes come out.

    Could the new person in this world (politics) be Trump? Is the girl Hillary? Is the friend Webb Hubbell? The politician is Bill?

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    1. I would kill myself before having to see 1 second of a Hillary sex tape. That is just so disgustung.

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  16. A list politician attempts to acquire sex tape featuring his current gf and his best friend.

    Current girlfriend of bestfriend shuts it down and tells him to keep them.

    Why would anyone care unless "ex gf" or "bestfriend" weren't also important. (Assuming political by assosiation)

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    1. "Current" (as in at the time)

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  17. Nah, probably not, Hubbell, Hillary, Bill and Trump. It sure is disgusting to think about though.

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  18. So you're looking for a politician's wife/gf or ex. I was really pulling for Nancy but two decades ago and video make it seem more recent.

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  19. Gavine Newsome was married to that Gryffindor woman so I don't think that fits

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  20. Best Friend: Joseph Percoco
    Girlfriend: Sandra Lee
    A list Politician: Andrew Cuomo

    Percoco sentencing pushed back to after NY elections.

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  21. "The history of camcorders" might give a reference for time.

    https://www.ecnmag.com/blog/2014/08/history-camcorders

    "According to Rick Diehl of LabGuysWorld, an online museum of old video gear, the first home video system was offered by Ampex in 1963. Advertised in the Neiman Marcus Christmas catalog, this system included a big camera, TV monitor, special furniture and was based around a 100-pound Ampex VR-1500 video recorder. Available for just $30,000, an Ampex engineer would come out to your home and set it up for you."

    1963 at the earliest?

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    1. Nvm I see the "battle over these tapes has been going on for about 2 decades. More like around 1998?

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  22. Exactly Kate K. Trumpski may not drink but I can see him sniffing a little something something through the years. He lies about everything

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  23. I also see that I misread the blind.

    "The battle over these tapes has been going on for just about two decades."

    So, the tapes a about 20 years old. So, which A list politician started dating his best friend's ex girl about 20 years ago? If the politician isn't in the tapes, then why did the new girl convince the friend to keep them? The key is the girl in the tapes.

    She must be why the tapes would now be so valuable.

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    1. I had missed that too. If its 2 decades from today then the battle for the tapes started around 1998, so im guessing they were a couple sometime before then. (But close around)

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  24. Maybe Gavin Newsomb, Kim G, Kamala Harris and Willie Brown in some combo, as they were all freinds and part of the 1990s San Fran politico scene?

    Also, Gavin Newsome was good friends with Nancy Pelosi's son. (at least back in the late 90s). The Pelosi's are also in SF.

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    1. Her son Paul is 49, might not be new enough to the world of politics?

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  26. https://amgreatness.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/harrisandbrown.jpg

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  27. Gauloise, careful you might summon a new DB blind...lol...San Francisco and Newsome fam all part of his stories.

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  28. Going to guess

    Gavin Newsom: politician
    Kim G: Girlfriend
    Paul Pelosi Jr: Best friend and ex (just guessing on the ex, it was the 90s, so lots of sleeping around)
    Donald Jr: New Person

    I dont think it is Kamala, cause willie Brown is in his mid=80s and probably doesnt care about this stuff anymore.

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    1. Let me get this, Donald Trump Jr is filthy rich, good-looking, 40 years old and newly single. How come he's dating an old tart 10 years older than himself, Kimberly Guilfoyle, who looks ten years older than Melania? You can't be that stupid, now, can you?

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    2. Who in their right mind would think Don jr. Is good looking? Lmao yeah right. good looking in comparison to a paper bag.

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  29. I think once you're POTUS you are automatically A+ or higher, so not Trump or Clinton.
    The Edwards guess is good. Raell Hunter never met a camera she wouldn't leap in front of.
    But the Gavin Newsome, Kim Guillfoyle, DJT jr. guess is most interesting to me because there was another blind about a week back about somebody stashing tapes/evidence with multiple people including an ex-.

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  30. I love how people are missing the Obvious guess ;)

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  31. Wouldn't be my first time. Please, go on...

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  32. If A list politician is Newsom and the ex bf is Willie brown and then the girlfriend is Kamala Harris. Both Kamala and Gavin were mentored under Willie
    brown. New person being DTJ. No one was talking about Sandra Lee over 20 years ago.

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  33. I think @MDAnderson has it.

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  34. Jesus it's like clockwork, Trump? is it Trump? All I can think about is Trump! Any day now he's going down! Right guys? Right?

    Seriously if you looked at these clues and thought it was Trump you should go stand in traffic. Or get some of that fentanyl laced oxy from Demi's dealer, or an lsd dipped cigarette from Elon Musk. Fucking deranged chimps.

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    1. When the president is a known dirtbag, people tend to talk about that shit. How about all the dopes who don’t want to believe it? Traffic is right this way->

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  35. I didn't do any research but the first person that came to my mind was Jerry Brown.

    This BI has a California feel to it.

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  36. OMG
    Willie Brown was born in 1934 - 84 years old. 20 years ago he was 64 and no one's best friend.
    just because Kamala Harris likes old junk doesn't mean anyone else does.

    Could be Paul Pelosi Jr - born 1969 or possibly Brennan Pelosi who is a cousin of Gavin...but I can't find a birthdate
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    a Getty who also ran in same crowd.

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  37. @akbar kek

    @brayson - do tell.

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  38. I feel like the "easy" guess of 1998 is bill. Al gore is reported as blaming bill for causing him to lose the election. (Lawensky scandal) but is also rumored to have cheated on his wife with Laurie David.

    But I don't think Bill fits. If anything, he'd be the friend *and* the A+ politictian.

    Clinton
    Bush
    Gore
    Biden
    Richards
    Gingrich
    Albright
    Kennedy

    Who else was considered an A+ politician around 1995-1998? Who was the best friend who is still relevant today with ties to an up and coming politiction ?

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    1. Or someone new to politics (reporter/author/anchor maybe)

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  39. Anything to do with the 1998 Clinton-Lewinsky affair?

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  40. Okay, so are we ready to rule out Gary Hart, then? JK- that’s all that keeps circling around the drain in my head. Carry on.

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  41. trump. He's a regular amphetamine user. Daily. Several times a day.

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  42. It has something to do with this
    http://m.zimbio.com/America's+50+Most+Scandalous+Political+Scandals/articles/29/Proof+Gavin+Newsom+Kind+Sleazy

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  43. It's not Trump because he's A++. I think Gavin Newsom is the best guess right now. If not I would guess someone like Anthony Weiner or Jerry Nadler.

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  44. It probably came from this headline: "Guilfoyle says Trump Jr. talked to Dem ex-husband on phone about hair product"

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  45. Trump as the pol, Pecker as the BF? Trump divorced Marla in '99. Melania was in NY in the late 90s, and video of her would be a bombshell to new person/Mueller?

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  46. Gavin Newsome had an affair with his best friend's wife roughly 15 years ago, while he was married to Guilfoyle." Could the 20 years be a red herring?

    https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/AIDE-QUITS-AS-NEWSOM-S-AFFAIR-WITH-HIS-WIFE-IS-2652745.php

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  47. @MD - Sandra Lee’s first Food Network Show was 2003. And the blind says around two decades, not over 20 years ago...

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    1. They supposedly didn’t get together till 2005ish. The battle for the tape has been going on for two decades. He was married to Kerry Kennedy about 20 years ago. It’s a good guess but I’m not sure the timeline fits.

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  48. Trump obviously doesn't fit, you're just obsessed. I really do think at this point the Trump-obsessed need serious professional help. It's not your fault, but it's also very unhealthy.

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  49. I see that the people who just want to guess a politician they're obsessed with hating not only don't read the blind, they don't read the comments that have already pointed out why it's not that person. Oh well. At least when they're making senseless guesses here, they aren't cutting on themselves or whatever they usually do for fun.

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    1. How about you actually make a guess that fits the blind instead of complaining that everyone isn’t making the appropriate guess. Especially since you know and can explain the blind so well.

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    2. Cutting on themselves
      Haha
      Actually, thats probably a pretty decent guess @cail

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  50. Akbar Johnson LOL! Yes indeedie.

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  51. Anonymous1:07 PM

    The Trump obsession isn't any better, or any worse, than the obsession over Obama by the right, who claimed every week for 8 years he was going to be impeached, any day now! Or 8 years of Bush Jr, with liberals losing their minds over him. Or 8 years of the right losing their minds over Clinton...who did get impeached. It's nothing new, we just see more of it because of social media. Politics is the new football, has been for a long time. Pick a team, root for them, meanwhile both teams are in the locker room doing a mountain of blow and doing hookers by the dozen.

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  52. "The Trump obsession isn't any better, or any worse, than the obsession over Obama by the right"

    Except one is in office and doing everything in his power to destroy our government at the request of the wealthy and end our legal protections and rights to sue.

    And the other...isn't.

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    1. I thought it was Barry Soetoro.

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  53. Обратите внимание, кто плохо говорит о дорогом лидере

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  54. It was interesting to me that when Obama went to Kenya he didn't wear his wedding ring and not a single media outlet mentioned that.

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  55. NY Post May 11 2001 http://nyp.st/17Mrn4Jt

    Trump and A.J. Benza fight over Kara Young on Stern show.

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  56. Whenever Enty is talking about Trump he gives him like 5 +'s. Trump is A+++++ on this site.

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  57. Oh Look! It's today's blind designed to cause a Trump v. Clinton name-calling circus. Monetize the hate.

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  58. Why do people do this recording thing? Seriously, why? When you can watch attractive people on professionally edited vids, with decent music on a soundstage, not a cluttered bedroom with an unvacuumed rug? What's the point?

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  59. @Donna Benza does refer to this relationship frequently on his pod. But wouldn't this be extortion & possibly create a life-threatening situation for the tape-holder?

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  60. Trump met Melania in 1998.

    Paolo Zampoli (ID Models) had acquired her Visa and introduced them Trump to her at a party at the Kit Kat.

    Ten years later, Zampoli married model Amanda Ungaro.

    I guess those 4 players. No guess on new person.

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    1. Sorry, Paolo introduced Melania to Trump after Paolo brought Melania to the US. Presumably to "model".

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  61. Paolo Zampolli, ID Models/Paramount Group real estate, Melania, Trump, marries model Amanda Ungaro ca. 2008, Barron.

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  62. oops, just saw your post, liv. great minds think alike.

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  63. there's a big quote from trump about zampolli's imagination in the real estate biz on z's site:
    http://www.zampolli.com/about/

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  64. If she is 50, she looks damn good.

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  65. What about the Don Henly blind from a few months back. Wasnt there something about one of the girls being a politician now or married to a politician. And Jerry Brown was involved because of Stevie Nicks who was his gf and Henlys ex.

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  66. @Unknown

    "Barry the Zero is a fucking disaster."

    Hm, except for getting the whole country out of financial disaster, ending a recession and creating 11+ million jobs...

    Except for ending Saudi Arabia's control of the Middle East (oh look whose bringing them back!)...

    Except for signing the best treaty of the past 50 years...

    Except for reducing nuclear weapons with Russia by 1/3 (oops! Who is bringing those back?)...

    Except for increasing the US GDP by 1/4 after steady years of decline (oops! That's gone now, wonder why?)...

    Ending Don't Ask Don't Tell...

    Except for ending the Insurance Companies tyranny of pre-existing conditions...

    Except for cutting prescription drug costs for Medicare recipients by 50%...

    Except for preventing children from being denied medical insurance...

    Except for taming spending growth in government more than any damn Republican though that is the GOP rallying cry...

    Except for the first time in decades overseeing a decline in prison populations (oh shit, private prisons don't like that, Sessions is in charge of reversing that STAT!)....

    Except for instituting the toughest Wall Street reforms since the 1930s (Wait, don't tell me, who is reversing that?)...

    Except for ending the insurance company policy of dropping coverage when a person gets sick...

    Except for a huge surge in the investments by our government in science and technology...

    Except for the Fair Pay Act...

    Except for the tax cuts to small businesses...

    Except for increased funding for parks and forests (well that's not happening anymore, is it.)...

    Except for raising fuel economy standards...

    Except for limiting mercury emissions standards...

    Except for eliminating oil company liability caps for oil spills...

    Except for cutting the salaries of all senior White House officials (and who has opened up the coffers for pilfering from the tax payers again?)...

    Except for preventing Congress from passing an enormous Cost of Living wage raise...

    Except for expanding national vaccination programs...

    Except for ending the media black out on war casualties...

    Except for increasing the capital gains tax...

    More?

    Such a disaster!

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  67. @Plot
    Stop it, Michelle! If Hussein was so great, why did you make him sleep in the sofa? Husssein the Magnificent, indeed! The dolt nearly started WWIII, and has fucked up the Middle-East, not judt Iraq like Bush Jr, but the whole region for ever. Dedtroyed Libia and opened up the only border keeping hundreds of millions of unskilled and unemployabe Africans from roaming free in Europe, soon in America too.
    Allowed the FBI, CIA and NSA to become so utterly corrupted and inefficient that they've gained a life of its own, as full-blown mafias.
    Nlw I'm started to think youre John Podesta the molester himself, Plot.

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  68. Oh Plot. You poor misguided soul. Everything you described was horrible for our Country.

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  69. @Paul

    Your losing it sweetie. Calm down. You haven't denied a single point I made.

    @Brondie

    How so? Take on, let's say, 6 of my points. Be specific, not filled with hysteria.

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  70. Holy f***ing shit! i've never seen a more delusional set of 'political accomplishments' in my life. if you thought the MAGA types had lost touch with reality, watch liberals under TDS - good F***ing grief! Now i really think those that call plot the Dkos poster from a decade ago may have a point.

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  71. "Trump doesn’t do drugs." 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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  72. Paul Saint John - LMAO!!!!!!

    PLot is a retard. Let her be.

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  73. @longtime

    "i've never seen a more delusional set of 'political accomplishments' in my life."

    Then it should be no problem for you to show us the delusional aspects of any of them.

    Will you answer the challenge or will it be crickets from you as well?

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  74. @mooshki

    I know, right? Donny has all the behaviors of a habitual pill popper.

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  75. Plot - How about throwing main st. under the bus to appease wall st. by destroying the lives of millions of homeowners? How about being the Saudi's and Israeli's bitch? how about taking chimpy's 2 wars and making them 7, including killing 1/2 million in Syria with the connivance of the Saudi's and bringing slavery back to Africa in Libya? how about the hateful immigration policy you only now find egregious when Trump is in charge? Let alone the despicable gutting of hard won freedoms by allowing the NSA to create a global panopticon without anyone's permission? Obama was just Chimpy part 3.

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  76. @long

    " How about throwing main st. under the bus to appease wall st. by destroying the lives of millions of homeowners? "

    How was that Obama's fault? The real estate crash happened before he was even elected. It was the work of Clinton and Bush, not Obama.

    "How about being the Saudi's and Israeli's bitch?"

    How about you investigate exactly how the Iran Treaty effected both those countries and took away their main source of power all over the Middle East. If Obama was their bitch, he wouldn't have signed the Iran deal. Both those countries despise the Iran deal and lookee there! Trump is trying to kill it for them! Who is Saudi Arabia's bitch again? Who is rejoining them in bombing Yemen? Who is helping Saudi Arabia contain dissidents? Who is Israel's bitch again by moving the embassy to Jerusalem? Who is Israel's bitch again by suspending aid to Gaza?

    "how about taking chimpy's 2 wars and making them 7, including killing 1/2 million in Syria with the connivance of the Saudi's and bringing slavery back to Africa in Libya?"

    You are going to have to be very specific here about how any of this was Obama's fault and his fault alone. 7 wars? WTF is that? Now I don't doubt you can pull 7 conflicts worldwide out of your ass and blame Obama but you aren't talking to a Reich Wing stooge here. You're going to have to present FACTS, not attitude.

    I do think mistakes were made in Syria that are now only compounded by handing everything over to Russia, but I wouldn't call them mistakes of Obama alone. The Pentagon made missteps and there was no real "winning" in Syria, as there was no real "winning" in Iraq or Afghanistan. We entered conflicts without goals. We're settling international scores we either don't understand or refuse to understand or don't really present any good outcome.

    "how about the hateful immigration policy you only now find egregious when Trump is in charge?"

    So you find that being allowed to separate children from families to be entirely wrong, in every case, no matter what. Is that your contention? There is no valid reason for this policy, none.

    Let's start there first.

    "Let alone the despicable gutting of hard won freedoms by allowing the NSA to create a global panopticon without anyone's permission?"

    In the hindsight of the Russian and Chinese ability to use the web against us, what solution would you suggest.

    BTW, in EVERY court case where the policing agencies have used information gained surreptitiously, they have LOST the ability to use that information against people. There is the proof that your hard won freedoms are still in force bub. Support our legal system in response, support cases that make any information gained without a warrant null and void. THAT is how you continue fighting for our freedoms.

    Are you doing that or is bitching on the internet more fun?


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  77. Willie Brown, Jerry Brown, Kamala Harris, and Linda Ronstadt?

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  78. Plot - Wow, just wow. Utterly ignorant of Obama's crimes against humanity and the US public aren't you? now go and squeal how it's somehow never a democrats fault ugly things happen. Jeez, they have the temerity to call republican voters deluded!?! You literally came out in support of authoritarian polices at home and murderous wars against endless numbers of brown people across the planet. Reich wing stooge? like keeping every single Bush era war criminal in power as his masters at citibank told him to while not persecuting a single war criminal and promoting torturers like gina hasel? Obama, the man who brought slavery back to Africa. That is his legacy.

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  79. Yeah, Plot. Don't you know Obama once wore a tan suit? He and Michelle did a terrorist fist-bump! Good lord, what did you think, that he was a qualified President doing the best he could with integrity, a calm demeanor, and a good work ethic in an imperfect world?
    You fool! The suit was tan!

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  80. @longtime

    "Utterly ignorant of Obama's crimes against humanity and the US public aren't you?"

    Utterly able to specify what the hell you are talking about are you?

    "never a democrats fault"

    If you say so.

    "hey have the temerity to call republican voters deluded!?"

    Have you looked at the president you chose? Or the Congress?

    "You literally came out in support of authoritarian polices"

    In terms of the millennial definition of "literally", because in normal parlance I literally said no such thing.

    " like keeping every single Bush era war criminal in power as his masters at citibank told him to while not persecuting a single war criminal and promoting torturers like gina hasel?"

    Goodness! I can't make heads or tails of this! It's a wonder how you do. Too much packed in there? You can take your time, you know, spell it out.

    "Obama, the man who brought slavery back to Africa."

    Again, specifically how did Obama personally do that all on his own?

    Ya wanna know who is bringing slavery to Africa? China. Wanna know what may have fought that? TPP. Oh well, guess you can't see that far.







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  81. @AppleThief4Elliot

    And the Grey Poupon! UNAMERICAN! Lock him up!

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  82. Plot - are you being intentionally ignorant? how about a global drone assassination program what killed thousands of innocent people abroad or the NSA spying program that destroyed global privacy? democrats think Russia was responsible for hillary being an incompetent candidate, how's that for deluded? you actually rejoiced in said authoritarian spying as a way to stop phantom Russian facebook ads FFS. Employing every single bush era war criminal at the behest of citibank is not a difficult sentence to read or understand either. Child torturer gina hasel as head of the CIA must make you so proud. Again the invasion of Libya was Obama's doing, as was the theft of all their money and the resulting takeover by extremist's who installed slave markets. not that difficult to comprehend is it?

    As for blaming the Chinese and claiming TPP is about fighting exploitation(!?!), words fail...thanks again for all your hard work in getting Trump elected, he is the president you deserve. Now go back to watching that xenophobe maddow and her coterie of racist war criminals or alternatively donate to john bennan's gofundme page.

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  83. @longtimereader

    " global drone assassination program what killed thousands of innocent people abroad"

    Do you have more information on this? I'm not doubting what you say. That's what the drone program was developed to do, after all, but what we are trying to hit with those drones is unclear and how many fuck ups we've committed in the process is as well. In this case, I DO NOT DISAGREE WITH YOU AT ALL, and I think the USA is killing innocents using drones as often as we've killed innocents all over the planet with conventional weapons. Our policies of collateral damage are horrible and rarely benefit us much.


    "the NSA spying program that destroyed global privacy? "

    Do the Russians and Chinese deserved global privacy? I don't think so. On the other hand, the courts are shutting down any cases brought using any such violations of privacy, right and left. Warrants are still demanded by the courts with the legal restrictions of what can be recorded and what can't.

    The policing agencies had the power to secretly monitor everything anyone ever did long before computers took over. The stop gap in these practices is the courts, which have held firm in how the breaches of privacy can be used or even nominally implemented.

    So keep electing officials who preserve our basic rights and appoint judges who make that a priority.

    "you actually rejoiced"

    I did no such thing. Quit the emo bullshit. It turns you into a tool and I'd rather converse with a rational human being.

    " Employing every single bush era war criminal at the behest of citibank"

    How do you figure it was at the behest of citibank alone? Why not Goldman Saks? Or Wells Fargo?

    Yeah, a lot of bankers should be in prison and US brokerages dissolved for defrauding the US public. I DO blame Obama for caving on that point. But regulations were put in place to make sure this kind of manufactured crisis cannot happen again...and guess who is undoing all the regulation.

    So, if you think that banks and Wall Street have too much power in this country, I agree. If Citizens United was overturned (which Kavanaugh will not do) then we'd be able to claw back from this economic fascism we live under. So, don't vote for pols who support Citizens United and support efforts to hold economic institutions accountable (oh, what's that?? The GOP Congress wants to limit liability on economic institutions now? Whatta ya know!)

    "must make you so proud. "

    Again how emo are you!? Sounds like you about to break into tears over imagining what I feel.

    " claiming TPP is about fighting exploitation"

    It doesn't...well...it didn't while the USA was a part of TPP. Instead of being a treaty that caters to US corps and Wall Street, it's now a much better treaty. Net Neutrality is now a firm part of TPP. Environmental protections and labor protections are far stronger without the US influence. If the USA wants back in, it will have to come on bended knee and conform - WHICH IS A FUCKING AWESOME THING - sorry for my own emo there.

    But TPP was directly written as a threat to China. That is it's overall purpose. Would you not agree to something that simply researched?







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  85. I'd take the paper bag, myself.

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