The criticism has been about banning online escort ads. Trafficking including underage was happening at places like Backpage so stopping it is well-intentioned.
The push back is from independent sex workers who say this forces them back into the arms of pimps. I was guessing this might be a docuseries on that subject but haven't seen anything about one.
There are alot more slaves than that in the world...
Every farming family with kids has slaves and there are a hell of alot of beta males who are slaves to their overbearing spouses... to name a couple examples
I agree ..how many are not recorded ...and children ..my bro in law is a cop he bought a 14 year old boy from Florida to transport to Tn ...I feel awful about the shit he must see to do that shit
+1 @J F I am in total agreement about farming families. I point out “Pioneer Woman” as a case in point. Anyone who has seen this cooking show will know what I’m talking about. I have also had clients in my field who said they grew up on a farm and felt it was extreme.
We've had a few cases come to light here in the UK where foreign families have been keeping underage girls as slaves, usually from their own country. They view them as beneath them as they are from very very poor backgrounds.Sexual and physical abuse. The women beat them and the men rape and beat them and this is happening on our doorstep. However we can't say much as 'it's not our culture.' As per usual
Most people I know (and there aren't a lot) who grew up on farms have an excellent work ethic and do not appear damaged by the experience in the least and have strong family ties.
I didn't say they are damaged. I said they are technically slaves. They are "property" of the parents until 18 and most are required to work regardless of their wishes
I personally have worked since I was 10 yrs old. At 12 I recieved paychecks and w-2's and filed my 1st tax return.... difference being is that it was my choice and I wS paid for my work
J F,farm wife here and my husband and I have 3 grown children.
Son number 1 is a lawyer and never stepped foot in a field or even cut a blade of grass.
Son number 2 worked with his Dad for a while but decided it was not what he wanted to do. While he worked at the farm, he made good money and lived in a 100 year old 2000 sq ft.farm house. He paid no rent, no insurance, and no utilities.
Our daughter, like her older brother, never did any sort of farm work or housework- not being sexist, just making it clear.
Poor little slaves were taken on multiple trips a year to Disney World, Canada, Colorado, Virginia, Washington DC, beaches, trips to Europe, etc.
Oh and by the way neither my husband nor any of his brothers nor his sisters did farm work as they were growing up.
Interesting story you tell. I'm not sure you and I have the same definition of a farm.
I can safely say I have known or been around 100's (maybe 1000's) of farming family operations through the years. I cannot recall any of them taking multiple vacations to Europe in a year. I'm sure a couple may have ventured on over to Virginia or Colorado for a couple days.
Your hobby farm sounds like alot of fun... I'm sure you have a variety of organic kale and a couple free range chickens. However, the farmers I know rarely if ever take a vacation because those damn cows dont milk themselves, and they cant seem to figure out how to get the temp agencies to send qualified people to get up at 3am and work till 9pm 7 days a week to cover them while they bask on the beaches in their favorite tropical destinations
Glad to see you have it all figured out. My hat is off to you
You demean the truly enslaved when you lump them in with farm children and beta males. I know grown farm children and they do speak of work on the farm. Depends on their character if they take resentment with them. Haven't heard one say they felt abused.
I thought I was talking about technical definition of slavery, not abuse. Those are two totally different issues.
Not all slaves are abused and not all abused ppl are slaves. As a matter of fact the mere term "slave" is most commonly used as a term to stir up someone's emotions. I haven't seen shackles on sale in my local Walmart for years.
Better light some for my poor kids... Er, I mean slaves. Must be awful for them, all that fresh air, learning the value of hard work. Someone should call CPS. Collecting eggs once a day (for pay) and helping us with harvest. Oh the atrocities they endure. So sad my slaves already have a bank account and college savings and will be able to choose their own paths in life.... But go off, J F you know best, it seems?
Sounds like a nice setup and I'm sure your kids are well adjusted. I'd hire a kid with family farm on their resume before I'd hire one with private schooling ANY day.
Just wondering though if you travel the world multiple times a year for family vacations like someone else here? The farmers I know are hard working, relentless, driven and require all hands they can get on deck. As a matter of fact it is common to also work at an additional job in addition to the farm to pay the bills? I dont see alot of thriving travel agents in most rural communities
But the fact still remains that agrarian lifestyle has always had a greater average family size due to the fact that children have been seen as cheap labor
I wish I could travel the world but we don't have too many people that know how to work with animals to cover for us. We take long weekends here and there but haven't managed a long vacation in a while. Nature of the business! We can get away a little longer in the winter as the crops are in but still have the animals to take care of. Just a small contrary to your point, our family is not large and although we need extra help, we don't enlist our kids. We hire citizens and pay higher than minimum wage. It's popular here to hire "migrant workers" for the season and pay a pitiable wage. We are ethical and hard working, even though other practices would make more profit. You have to live with yourself at the end of the day, you know? And yes, I do have another job offsite. Not uncommon with modern farming.
Wait. No, I wasnt. And now that I write it, I realize just how PATRONIZING that it sounds. It is so grossly exaggerated and honestly, disrespectful to the people who have truly suffered. I feel like we are playing "Spot The Millenial"
No kale, we grow sugar cane. Although the farm is a year round job, the busy season is from late Sept usually up to Christmas, other wives of sugar cane farmers and I call our selves sugar cane widows because our husbands work from "sun to sun".
Oh THAT one....god she is awful and fake through and through. The kids waking at dawn to help "farm" or "ranch" is solely for the benefit of her photoshopped blog entries and her show. The family makes money mostly from conserving wild horses for which the US government pays them tons. That said, they are, of course, Republicans. NO! No welfare here!
She claims her kids, who are homeschooled, hate math. She has declared, over and over again, that SHE hates math. Well golly gosh, is there a connection?
Netflix/Hulu?
ReplyDeleteThe trafficking law is a bit hamfisted and has some unintended consequences.
ReplyDeleteNetflix actually carried the doc I Am Jane Doe last year which was one of the catalysts for getting the law passed.
Is this blind saying that they have a series to be released that violates the law or that they're releasing a docu-series criticizing it?
ReplyDeleteThe criticism has been about banning online escort ads. Trafficking including underage was happening at places like Backpage so stopping it is well-intentioned.
DeleteThe push back is from independent sex workers who say this forces them back into the arms of pimps. I was guessing this might be a docuseries on that subject but haven't seen anything about one.
Trafficking is slavery. The are 45.8 million estimated slaves in the world right now, but you know that estimate must be low. 71% of whom are women.
ReplyDeletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery
There are alot more slaves than that in the world...
DeleteEvery farming family with kids has slaves and there are a hell of alot of beta males who are slaves to their overbearing spouses... to name a couple examples
I agree ..how many are not recorded ...and children ..my bro in law is a cop he bought a 14 year old boy from Florida to transport to Tn ...I feel awful about the shit he must see to do that shit
Delete+1 @J F I am in total agreement about farming families. I point out “Pioneer Woman” as a case in point. Anyone who has seen this cooking show will know what I’m talking about. I have also had clients in my field who said they grew up on a farm and felt it was extreme.
DeleteWe've had a few cases come to light here in the UK where foreign families have been keeping underage girls as slaves, usually from their own country. They view them as beneath them as they are from very very poor backgrounds.Sexual and physical abuse. The women beat them and the men rape and beat them and this is happening on our doorstep. However we can't say much as 'it's not our culture.' As per usual
ReplyDeleteUrgh.. you sound so ignorant. Who’s ‘culture’ involves slavery then.. pray tell!
Delete+10000 Elmi. Ignorant Ass Amy
DeleteNetflix. The show Tricked coming is looking at sex traffickers who abuse people, but also how much the industry is worth.
ReplyDeleteGotcha, thanks for the clarification
ReplyDeleteSex is a sport....
ReplyDeletethere is amateur sports(Tinder/Grndr)
And professional sports (yachting)
Let ppl have their exercise for God sakes... if they want to pay to get someone out of their league that's their business.
Id always assume Netflix over Hulu. They just got some heat for their show "insatiable" and before that "desire".
ReplyDeleteChildren of farming families are not slaves.
ReplyDeleteI beg to differ with you. Not only are they slaves, but illegal child labor as well.
DeleteYou can try and spin it anyway that makes you sleep at night, but a spade is a spade is a spade....
Id say most parents take advantage of this ...not as many as there use to be ..
DeleteMost people I know (and there aren't a lot) who grew up on farms have an excellent work ethic and do not appear damaged by the experience in the least and have strong family ties.
ReplyDeleteI didn't say they are damaged. I said they are technically slaves. They are "property" of the parents until 18 and most are required to work regardless of their wishes
DeleteI personally have worked since I was 10 yrs old. At 12 I recieved paychecks and w-2's and filed my 1st tax return.... difference being is that it was my choice and I wS paid for my work
DeleteI didn't work on a farm... but I did get my driving permit @ 13 y/o under the farming exemption to age
DeleteJ F,farm wife here and my husband and I have 3 grown children.
ReplyDeleteSon number 1 is a lawyer and never stepped foot in a field or even cut a blade of grass.
Son number 2 worked with his Dad for a while but decided it was not what he wanted to do. While he worked at the farm, he made good money and lived in a 100 year old 2000 sq ft.farm house. He paid no rent, no insurance, and no utilities.
Our daughter, like her older brother, never did any sort of farm work or housework- not being sexist, just making it clear.
Poor little slaves were taken on multiple trips a year to Disney World, Canada, Colorado, Virginia, Washington DC, beaches, trips to Europe, etc.
Oh and by the way neither my husband nor any of his brothers nor his sisters did farm work as they were growing up.
Interesting story you tell. I'm not sure you and I have the same definition of a farm.
DeleteI can safely say I have known or been around 100's (maybe 1000's) of farming family operations through the years. I cannot recall any of them taking multiple vacations to Europe in a year. I'm sure a couple may have ventured on over to Virginia or Colorado for a couple days.
Your hobby farm sounds like alot of fun... I'm sure you have a variety of organic kale and a couple free range chickens. However, the farmers I know rarely if ever take a vacation because those damn cows dont milk themselves, and they cant seem to figure out how to get the temp agencies to send qualified people to get up at 3am and work till 9pm 7 days a week to cover them while they bask on the beaches in their favorite tropical destinations
Glad to see you have it all figured out. My hat is off to you
You demean the truly enslaved when you lump them in with farm children and beta males. I know grown farm children and they do speak of work on the farm. Depends on their character if they take resentment with them. Haven't heard one say they felt abused.
ReplyDeleteI thought I was talking about technical definition of slavery, not abuse. Those are two totally different issues.
DeleteNot all slaves are abused and not all abused ppl are slaves. As a matter of fact the mere term "slave" is most commonly used as a term to stir up someone's emotions. I haven't seen shackles on sale in my local Walmart for years.
Oh dear lord. These comments on this thread
ReplyDeleteLololol
I'm dying
Poor farm kids...we should all light candles and say prayers right now for their suffering
SMDH
Better light some for my poor kids... Er, I mean slaves.
DeleteMust be awful for them, all that fresh air, learning the value of hard work.
Someone should call CPS. Collecting eggs once a day (for pay) and helping us with harvest. Oh the atrocities they endure.
So sad my slaves already have a bank account and college savings and will be able to choose their own paths in life....
But go off, J F you know best, it seems?
Sounds like a nice setup and I'm sure your kids are well adjusted. I'd hire a kid with family farm on their resume before I'd hire one with private schooling ANY day.
DeleteJust wondering though if you travel the world multiple times a year for family vacations like someone else here? The farmers I know are hard working, relentless, driven and require all hands they can get on deck. As a matter of fact it is common to also work at an additional job in addition to the farm to pay the bills? I dont see alot of thriving travel agents in most rural communities
But the fact still remains that agrarian lifestyle has always had a greater average family size due to the fact that children have been seen as cheap labor
DeleteI wish I could travel the world but we don't have too many people that know how to work with animals to cover for us. We take long weekends here and there but haven't managed a long vacation in a while. Nature of the business! We can get away a little longer in the winter as the crops are in but still have the animals to take care of.
DeleteJust a small contrary to your point, our family is not large and although we need extra help, we don't enlist our kids. We hire citizens and pay higher than minimum wage. It's popular here to hire "migrant workers" for the season and pay a pitiable wage.
We are ethical and hard working, even though other practices would make more profit. You have to live with yourself at the end of the day, you know?
And yes, I do have another job offsite. Not uncommon with modern farming.
Ever since Soros became a top share holder, Netflix has been producing very interesting content.
ReplyDeleteTIL; I was a slave for 20 years
ReplyDeleteWait. No, I wasnt. And now that I write it, I realize just how PATRONIZING that it sounds. It is so grossly exaggerated and honestly, disrespectful to the people who have truly suffered.
I feel like we are playing "Spot The Millenial"
No kale, we grow sugar cane. Although the farm is a year round job, the busy season is from late Sept usually up to Christmas, other wives of sugar cane farmers and I call our selves sugar cane widows because our husbands work from "sun to sun".
ReplyDeleteCalifornia is currently using slaves as firefighters to deal with current problems.
ReplyDeleteWhy would the laws of civil society apply to people your're allowing to take refuge there.
ReplyDelete@Chronically
ReplyDelete"I point out “Pioneer Woman” as a case in point."
Oh THAT one....god she is awful and fake through and through. The kids waking at dawn to help "farm" or "ranch" is solely for the benefit of her photoshopped blog entries and her show. The family makes money mostly from conserving wild horses for which the US government pays them tons. That said, they are, of course, Republicans. NO! No welfare here!
She claims her kids, who are homeschooled, hate math. She has declared, over and over again, that SHE hates math. Well golly gosh, is there a connection?
Ugh. Can't stand her.