This mainstream newspaper is trying to get the world to normalize child porn so that people will see it the same way as alcohol addiction - as a sickness rather than something criminal. Umm, no.
I'm not overly surprised. NYT is hijacked by Chinese capital. China has been the world's largest source of human trafficking to Western nations since 300 years ago. Also BBC has hidden child rape inside them for over 40 years.
@Kno Won Uno, agreed, but I already knew that Bari Weiss is not be trusted, and indeed not to be read, this article being exceptional due to its topic. It was especially interesting who she chose to write about and who not to. She was suggesting that a few almost-famous pundits are the deep, dark heart of political and cultural dissent.
For the most part I boycott the whole paper, along with most other mainstream propaganda organs. There are many sources of information out there, and there's no epistemological key as to which of them are reliable. All you can do is look for sources that seem credible, read them, and exercise your best pattern recognition.
It's not just one newspaper, thought the NYTimes has written many articles along these lines, and their CEO Mark Thompson helped cover up Jimmy Savile's crimes at the BBC.
Please correct me if I am wrong but did not Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg once say somewhere that the age of consent should be lowered to 12 years old
I'm not sure what's sicker - NYT for being pedo apologists or people that defend them for writing 'just a couple of articles.' Fuck that noise, man. You diddle a kid, you should be hung. Don't really give a fuck if it's a 'mental disorder' or not. Ted Bundy had a mental disorder. Weinstein has a mental disorder. They still chose to murder/rape/assault their victims, just like diddlers choose to ruin the lives of little kids.
And then there’s this sick asshat weighing in on #MeToo. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5708567/Director-Roman-Polanski-dismisses-MeToo-movement-mass-hysteria-hypocrisy.html
Wish there was a Kickstarter to reward anyone that helps Polanski come back to the states, maybe someone with a private plane. Obviously Polanski is nervous to fly but luckily he's down with using booze and heavy sedatives to relax, he could even sleep most of the flight.
SCOTUS justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg has stated that pedophilia is normal: In 1977 when Ginsburg was General Counsel of the ACLU, she co-authored (with Brenda Feigen-Fasteau) Sex Bias in the U.S. Code: A Report of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, which was published by the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights in April 1977, for which Ginsburg and Feigen-Fasteau were paid with federal funds under Contract No. CR3AK010.
The 230-page Sex Bias in the U.S. Code identifies hundreds of federal laws alleged to discriminate against women and recommends an avalanche of government and social changes, including: ◾Military draft and combat duty for women. ◾Legalization of prostitution (see pages 97, 99, 215-216 of Sex Bias in the U.S. Code) ◾Sex integration of prisons, reformatories, schools and colleges and their activities (including sports), all-girls and all-boys organizations, and fraternities and sororities. ◾Changing the names of the Boy Scouts, Girls Scouts and Big Brothers of America to reflect sex integration (see pages 145, 205 of Sex Bias in the U.S. Code). ◾Elimination of the traditional family concept of husband as breadwinner and wife as homemaker. ◾Comprehensive government child-care. ◾Adoption of sex-neutral language, e.g., “artificial” instead of “manmade”; “person, human” instead of “man, woman”; and plural nouns “they” and “them” instead of “singular third person pronouns”. At the same time, however, Ginsburg and Feigen-Fasteau hypocritically insist that the U.S. Department of Labor retains its “Women’s Bureau”.
On p. 102 of Sex Bias in the U.S. Code, under the sub-heading “Recommendations,” Ginsburg and Feigen-Fasteau recommend a revision of 18 U.S.C. §2032 from “carnal knowledge of any female, not his wife who has not attained the age of sixteen years” to “A person is guilty of an offense if he engages in a sexual act with another person, not his spouse, and . . . the other person is, in fact, less than 12 years old“. Below is the pertinent paragraph:
18 U.S.C. §2032 — Eliminate the phrase “carnal knowledge of any female, not his wife who has not attained the age of sixteen years” and substitute a Federal, sex-neutral definition of the offense patterned after S. 1400 §1633: A person is guilty of an offense if he engages in a sexual act with another person, not his spouse, and (1) compels the other person to participate: (A) by force or (B) by threatening or placing the other person in fear that any person will imminently be subjected to death, serious bodily injury, or kidnapping; (2) has substantially impaired the other person’s power to appraise or control the conduct by administering or employing a drug or intoxicant without the knowledge or against the will of such other person, or by other means; or (3) the other person is, in fact, less than 12 years old.
Ginsburg (and her co-author) also recommends that the Mann Act be repealed. The Mann Act is a federal law passed in 1910 which makes it a felony to engage in interstate or foreign commerce transport of “any woman or girl for the purpose of prostitution or debauchery, or for any other immoral purpose”.
Plot, take your Snopes quoting "facts" and shove em up your arse.
Well, those "recommendations" are starting to get implemented - pronouns, the scouts, etc. Not surprised that the "media" is trying to lay groundwork for pedos...
Gosh mike m, you really invalidate your research there by trying to insult me using Snopes, of all things. That's unfortunate. I'd still like to plumb your knowledge though.
That's an extremely broad and complicated recommendation above. Which part was Ginsburg particularly attached to? Do you know? What was this "offense" that she and Feigen-Fasteau were against for those committed this carnal knowledge (so quaint) on kids over 12? Do you know? Because I'm not sure. Did you read their argument as to why this was included in a report on governmental biases against women? It's curious for sure.
The Mann Act is extremely controversial on it's own. You, as a man I assume, should know that it is used unfairly and wrongly a whole lot mostly against men who can be framed under the nebulous heading of "immoral purpose." While it has served a certain J Edgar Hoover purpose in empowering the FBI to being a federal agency, it is mighty antiquated these days. It needs a serious rewrite.
my question, why can't people just not look at child pornography? why can't people just have sex with other consenting people over 18?? why do people want to spare pedophiles in any way shape or form? i am all for completely ruining the lives of pedophiles because pedophiles destroy lives.
this goes for everything child abuse related on this site. @enty, i hope you are reporting these claims to the police, or one day decide to completely out all the pedophiles you've spoken of in the past few years. they do not deserve sympathy or protection for harming children
This thread is why these issues should never be BIs. Being a pedo can be a mental problem AND statutory rape and violating consent laws and child porn can be a crimes. Both can be true. There's no normalizing of anything to believe that. Jails are full of people with some kind of mental disorder who are not *legally* insane.
Do any of you read papers? An paper's opinion page may have two opposing views on the same topic sitting right next to each other on the same day. My local paper has that all the time. The articles are opinions, not endorsements. Most of the writers on opinion pages are guests -- either people who have written in on their own, or people who have been asked to write an article because they are considered an expert or leader in a timely issues. They are not usually paid staff of the paper. The author of the article listed above is an assistant professor at a law school, not a NYT staff member. Pedophillia and hebaphllia are serious issues and are not okay, but I think a lot of people are confusing "paper publishes an opinion article" with "the paper endorses this issue."
Always makes me feel sick whenever I see the DM stalking teen girls or celebrity kids with their long camera lenses and referring to them as busty beauties or stunners who are showing off their curves, giving us an eyeful, displaying their charms or ample assets etc *barf* Then next minute it’s fat shaming a celeb who has gained a few lbs and dares to show their face in public! I remember the DM once referring to Kaia Gerber (not sure if I spelt that right!) as a ‘tender young lovely’ She was about 10 at the time 🤢 All very creepy and misogynistic.
Pedophilia is a sickness. And as of now, there is no cure. Scientists believe is a cross wire in the brain from birth. Many pedos NEVER actually act on it, thats the scary part.
Kind of hard to narrow it down to one ... Salon had that ridiculous article on the "virtuous pedophope". Other outlets have reported on child sex dolls (it felt so incredibly disgusting even typing that) and how that along with "ethical CP" (seriously?) will help to make pedos not venture out and seek children.... Right.... Like they're not going to get bored of the doll and seek the strange flesh they desire.... Sure...
I'd much rather children not be sexually assaulted and abused, and I think we're all in agreement on that, but yeah there should absolutely be no way to spin pedophilia as some sad predilection; you have a serious problem, go work on that shit, and don't get major new outlets to write fawning fluff pieces about what a saint you are for exerting basic self-control and not destroying a kid's life.
@Plot, we get it man. You like them under the age of 12. Do you really have to advertise it all over the place though? I think the perfect solution for all pedophiles is to have special prisons only for them. let them do whatever to each other!
@ Plot- I think Poor Mick was speaking to the actual Blind Item. None of us knows the answer to this one yet, so everyone is speculating. Your need to have everything proven and cited is tedious. Chill out, this isn’t a court of law, it’s a gossip site with a carefully crafted disclaimer.
Yeah, I was talking about that series of "VirPed" articles Salon did a few years back where a self-confessed pedophile was given column space to laud himself and his friends for not actually touching the kids they lust after; a few other commenters alluded to them, too. I think they were since pulled or retracted in some way because they realized that nobody was having that shit.
https://www.thecut.com/2017/02/salon-shouldnt-have-unpublished-its-pedophilia-article.html (Not that I'm a big fan of anyone else that shows up here, but at least it establishes the basic facts.)
Is it better that they haven't molested anyone than if they had? Sure! Should they get a medal, or positive press, or have their urges normalized and left untreated? No! Rocket science this ain't.
@Plot, I am pretty sure about my passions and in my view pedos should spend their whole lives without coming in contact with kids and preferably living with other pedos so that they can satisfy their urges on one another. Maybe a special pedo only jail or an asylum. Or maybe even a death penalty for them. But you sir are spending a lot of time and energy in defending the said article. I was just wondering why?
We are still waiting for Schneider to end up in prison. I have a feeling he cut a deal to give up bigger fish. If not, he will be suicided because pedophiles run in packs. We will see.
Aren't there towns already where convicted pedos live after they get out? One of them is in Florida, I believe.
You know, there are prisons that are connected to towns around them that are expressly made for the purpose of supporting the prison and housing the prisoners once they get out. They are somewhere in Latin America, IIRC. Families of prisoners come live and work in the town if they want to. Prisoners have access to jobs upon release. It's not a preconceived model by any means; it's something that happened organically. I wonder if something similar could be done for pedophiles (and we also have to be very very strict with how we define that.) A separate prison where release means they have to stay and work in the town surrounding the prison. After they do their time, I'm all for any prisoner trying to make a life for themselves but pedos really cannot, because of the reasons we all know about.
It's a very thorny issue. What happens to pedos who admit they are such before they ever touch a child or collect porn?
I'm not defending anyone. Given how invested everyone here is in pedophilia, I thought it might be the right forum to discuss this...
"An alleged pedophile who positioned himself as one of the “good ones” on Twitter has been charged with sexual assault and possession of child pornography"
"Internet sleuths were able to discern his identity after he was doxed, posting details of his home address and photographs, which identify Coulombe as @enderphile and @enderphile1. They uncovered his identity by connecting his screen names across various forums on the dark web, where he advocated for the normalization and destigmatization of the heinous practice. He also wrote articles arguing for the decriminalization of child pornography and sex with children, according to the amateur investigators."
Gary Gibson, 65, of Oregon, is described as a non-offending pedophile He says he's aroused by girls aged six to 12 but decides not to act on his urges. But former foster daughter says she was raped by Gary when she was ten Jazzmyne Holden, now 20, says she abused during the three months in his care
The next day, my mom took me to the doctor and the doctor was able to tell that I had been sexually abused at one point in time.'
The incident was previously investigated by police and no criminal charges were filed.
Gary, who denies all the allegations, has since come forward to admit that he is attracted to little children - particularly young girls - but claims he has never acted on his urges.
Gary, of Oregon, recently came out as what he described as a 'virtuous pedophile', and has set up a non-profit organisation - the Association for Sexual Abuse Prevention - to help people like him who he says choose not to offend.
But Holden, who says she was raped by Gary four to five times, says she was sickened by his claims he never touched children.
There was a "virtuous pedophile" on Dr. Phil a while back. The man has a wife. He swore he never touched a kid. For once, Dr. Phil asked good questions and was able to get the man to admit he hangs out at parks, etc. and fantasizes about touching the kids.
We all know behavior follows thoughts. If pedophiles honestly cannot help but to have these thoughts they will act on them even if they don't want to.
It's extremely not like being transgender, because one is about individual self-identity and the other is about relations between people... namely adults fucking children who aren't sexually or emotionally mature. That equivalence is the same bullshit about how "homosexuality is just like pedophilia" re-branded for a new generation's anxiety about sexual identities they don't understand. Ditto all the bathroom panic shit. A lot of them are at-risk and have a hard enough time getting through the day as it is, but there is a reason that in all the extra-letter versions of "LGBT" there's never a "P" for "pedophile" alright?
People still know to feel weird about cradle-robbers and "talent scouts" making copies of IDs before the flown-in models get passed around even if it's legal on the books. The idea that a child is immature and must be a certain age to responsibly do certain things, like drink or vote or fight in war or give sexual consent, doesn't seem to really be under attack. If someone starts trying to move that goalpost and it gains any traction, I'll buy everyone on CDAN the first round of pitchforks from Home Depot. For now, it mostly seems like it's just people rich enough to make monsters of themselves and halfwit editors-in-chief that "want to hear new voices" by printing just the worst shit imaginable and getting hate-click traffic. I think we all know where most of the higher-ups in the "Fourth Estate" (blurgh) bet their chips at any rate.
I'm fine with adults doing whatever they want with themeselves and other consenting adults.
I'm pointing out the historical trend of criminalized behaviors/persuasions, getting classified as mental illnesses, before then becoming legally protected.
I'm fine with everything but pedophilia and bestiality. But kids can't consent to sex with adults or transgender surgery/medical interventions involving private parts. I'm anti female genital mutilation and anti-circumcision. Keep doctors'/parents'/religious' hands off baby genitals.
Bathrooms should be based on biological gender differentiation. Male/Female. More women are raped by biological men than transgenders raped at all. Or we implement a 3 room system, but then when does it end...asexual bathrooms so the voluntarily celibate have no fear of any sexual harassment?
And if any trend begins towards pedo normalization, I'll split those pitchforks with ya.
Brand a P in the middle of the forehead of all convicted pedophiles and watch them spend the rest of their lives trying to get it off, but they never will. Anything so people can keep them away from their children. But I also know that somehow this would be against their civil rights...I just feel the need to protect children, more than pedophiles.
@Schneiderisnext, leave transgender out of this. It doesn't have anything to do with pedophilia and only weakens the argument. The "Virtuous Pedophile" term should never be used, it's not a virtue just to not commit a crime. Maybe we can get some term for people that want treatment before actions,but so far , nothing really works.
Maybe you missed my earlier comment? @Schneiderisnext and I are trying to make a point.
Pedophiles are sick but they will claim there is nothing wrong with them because they are born that way, just like LGBTQ. I am serious, a lot of them say this. Just research Alfred Kinsey. The man was sick beyond belief. Sex education is based on his unethical, biased, and partially falsified "research."
We all know behavior CAN follow thoughts. Part of the reason I don't own a gun is because the thought of shooting someone is then closer to the reality of doing so. But I don't hang out in gun stores fantasizing about them however.
There probably exists means for pedophiles to control themselves in societies not like our own which preaches Go For It! in every commercial even if only for a popsicle. We US Americans are congratulated excessively for being greedy, taking what one wants, all goals are equal, Winners not Losers, every person is a Hero no matter what if they get what they want. I can't imagine any therapy or institutional controls to work here against pedophiles or serial rapists of any kind. Our society nearly forbids the inhibitions of any urge...particularly for white guys.
This is the sticking point of US culture altogether. Everyone has to be a winner, but no goal is specified or ethical ways to achieve it. We are empty that way. No wonder even the best people are so deeply attached to their perversions and addictions. This society sure doesn't raise them to tell the ethical differences in Going For It in every possible avenue.
I don't see that changing in our country for a long long time. We're required to jettison our image of ourselves as Winners of the World which makes us morally superior, and that change won't happen quietly when it's imposed on us.
Not everyone in this country has that view of life. Maybe you should travel out of this country sometime and see how the other 7/8 lives. Some of us appreciate what we have in life and realize that there are other forces who want you to believe everything is in turmoil. I live in a pretty big city down south and for the most part everyone just wants to enjoy their life and take care of their families. Which also includes looking out for their security, no matter what that entails.
@T. W. Well "sexuality/pedophilia" seem like two things you can't exactly package together and treat as one and the same. To me, anyway.
I'm not sure where you're seeing I said gender expression wasn't about identity, since I said almost the exact opposite: being transgender or cisgender has nothing to do with sexual orientation or desire for others.
There's an identity element to "coming out" because, big surprise, we live in a society where they didn't feel safe actually following through with their identity and/or sexual orientation until that point in time. They're given status as a protected class because it's pretty clear that they need actual protection.
Sure, there's a lot of very deliberating going overboard with it, because a lot of that is because of the repression that came before it and grappling with visibility and the demand for equal rights and respect. They're a minority group with its own elements of subculture; you can have good and bad people in that, ask any of them. (As far as big problems largely within queer circles, don't Goggle "pozzing" if you don't already know what it is or else you might start wearing full-body condoms to bed every night.)
Back to the original thing I was saying here, a pedophile is defined by what they're attracted to but specifically not by the gender or sex of their desires. They can try to wrongly co-opt the patter and language of LGBT causes all they want, but it's not an orientation or an identity at all. It's a fetish; a sick, depraved fetish often rooted in pre-existing abuse or serious mental issues and lapses in morality. There's straight sickos (Epstein) and homosexual sickos (Singer) and similarly there are cisgender predators and transgender predators.
Now if you really wanted to get into the real crazy side of sympathy overkill you might be able to find a handful of nutjobs who would say shunning pedos is "kinkshaming" but most of those people are buried deep on Tumblr where they belong. NAMBLA's not exactly doing gangbusters on enrollment, thankfully.
So, kids at home, the moral is: don't use shortcuts, generalizations or false equivalence when you want to identify "the problem" or "the enemy" or else you might vanish down some mental rabbit hole like Russiagate or QAnon, never to return. And don't forget to mail those green pieces of paper to Soupy Sales at this address.
So...if someone exhibits bad behavior, it's a disorder? Beating a child, rape, murder, pedophilia? If someone rapes a child, it's a disorder not a criminal act? I personally don't think pedophilia is a disorder. I think these pedophiles are just disgusting pigs who know exactly what they're doing. No excuses. If we cut their peckers off...problem will be solved. No more disorder. Then all of a sudden their brains will work just fine.
Jeez, narrow it down. New York Times? LA Times? Which one in LA is owned by the Moonies?
ReplyDeletewhat the heeeck that is hella messed up. The higher-up pedos at work again
ReplyDeleteWell let's see google, addiction alcohol mainstream child p.. what's this handcuff icon, oh you can uber to the station how convenient.
ReplyDeleteLmfao!
DeleteSo a newspaper has one article that delves into pedophilia as a sickness and Enty calls that an endorsement for the knuckleheads.
ReplyDeleteWhat, can't uncover anything churchy today?
Better be careful with this blind, it reeks of libel. Besides, it wouldn't be a full paper, it would have to be certain people at the paper.
ReplyDeleteLibel? Weird I thought that meant something different
DeleteAll of them are doing this.
ReplyDeleteIs Salon a mainstream newspaper?
This isn't remotely close to libel
ReplyDeleteI'm not overly surprised. NYT is hijacked by Chinese capital. China has been the world's largest source of human trafficking to Western nations since 300 years ago. Also BBC has hidden child rape inside them for over 40 years.
ReplyDeleteThe NYTs has devolved into a useless sack of crap. Google Bari Weiss...
ReplyDeleteThat ‘intellectual dark web’ piece was the wankiest wankfest in all of wanking. What a toad.
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Delete@Kno Won Uno, agreed, but I already knew that Bari Weiss is not be trusted, and indeed not to be read, this article being exceptional due to its topic. It was especially interesting who she chose to write about and who not to. She was suggesting that a few almost-famous pundits are the deep, dark heart of political and cultural dissent.
DeleteFor the most part I boycott the whole paper, along with most other mainstream propaganda organs. There are many sources of information out there, and there's no epistemological key as to which of them are reliable. All you can do is look for sources that seem credible, read them, and exercise your best pattern recognition.
All of them. Their gang has wanted to get rid of the "taboo" over age (that's what they consider it) for a long time.
ReplyDeletepeople who try to justify and normalize paedophilia/child pornography are disturbing individuals who need to be put away.
ReplyDeletePut away in a coffin. No mercy for pedos.
Deletethis is disturbing and I have zero clue what paper.
ReplyDeleteIt's not just one newspaper, thought the NYTimes has written many articles along these lines, and their CEO Mark Thompson helped cover up Jimmy Savile's crimes at the BBC.
ReplyDeletePedo is a normal thing. Let's use the goyum children. Oy Vey!!!
ReplyDeleteIf you think the Chosens are the only Short Eyes out there, you live in a safer world than I do.
DeleteAre we sure it isn't 'democracy drowns in dollars' bought, paid for & fully owned mouthpiece for Jeff Bezos's Washington Post?
ReplyDeleteBecause since the Congressional page scandal of the 1980s for sure DC has issues with pedophilia.
Ask about the ginormous backlog of unsolved missing child cases from Fairfax County Virginia (DC suburb) for one.
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Delete"All of them."
ReplyDeleteWay to be lazy for your own convenience.
Please correct me if I am wrong but did not Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg once say somewhere that the age of consent should be lowered to 12 years old
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ReplyDeleteYou are wrong.
That was easy!
Here's an older example:
ReplyDeletehttps://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/06/opinion/pedophilia-a-disorder-not-a-crime.html
This is happening all over and it's sickening. Did you know there are actual PADDED bras made for 4 year old. Wtaf!
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure what's sicker - NYT for being pedo apologists or people that defend them for writing 'just a couple of articles.' Fuck that noise, man. You diddle a kid, you should be hung. Don't really give a fuck if it's a 'mental disorder' or not. Ted Bundy had a mental disorder. Weinstein has a mental disorder. They still chose to murder/rape/assault their victims, just like diddlers choose to ruin the lives of little kids.
ReplyDeleteAnd then there’s this sick asshat weighing in on #MeToo.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5708567/Director-Roman-Polanski-dismisses-MeToo-movement-mass-hysteria-hypocrisy.html
Wish there was a Kickstarter to reward anyone that helps Polanski come back to the states, maybe someone with a private plane. Obviously Polanski is nervous to fly but luckily he's down with using booze and heavy sedatives to relax, he could even sleep most of the flight.
ReplyDeleteOkay orangesoda, tell us, how does discussing pedophilia as a illness support it in any way or offer any sort of apology?
ReplyDeleteCome on, out with it.
And do you see any excuses in the NYT article or recommendations for sentencing? I don't. I wonder what you see there.
If you personally aren't up to the task of finding some sort of treatment for pedophilia, I completely sympathize. I'm not either.
But prison isn't cutting it. Social condemnation isn't cutting it. We have no penal colonies where we can send them. So what do you suggest?
I vote for branding
DeleteCare to look for said article in the WaPo anyone?
ReplyDeleteIt's Vice:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/8qgzpx/a-child-rape-victim-on-why-society-should-be-more-empathetic-to-pedophiles
SCOTUS justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg has stated that pedophilia is normal:
ReplyDeleteIn 1977 when Ginsburg was General Counsel of the ACLU, she co-authored (with Brenda Feigen-Fasteau) Sex Bias in the U.S. Code: A Report of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, which was published by the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights in April 1977, for which Ginsburg and Feigen-Fasteau were paid with federal funds under Contract No. CR3AK010.
The 230-page Sex Bias in the U.S. Code identifies hundreds of federal laws alleged to discriminate against women and recommends an avalanche of government and social changes, including:
◾Military draft and combat duty for women.
◾Legalization of prostitution (see pages 97, 99, 215-216 of Sex Bias in the U.S. Code)
◾Sex integration of prisons, reformatories, schools and colleges and their activities (including sports), all-girls and all-boys organizations, and fraternities and sororities.
◾Changing the names of the Boy Scouts, Girls Scouts and Big Brothers of America to reflect sex integration (see pages 145, 205 of Sex Bias in the U.S. Code).
◾Elimination of the traditional family concept of husband as breadwinner and wife as homemaker.
◾Comprehensive government child-care.
◾Adoption of sex-neutral language, e.g., “artificial” instead of “manmade”; “person, human” instead of “man, woman”; and plural nouns “they” and “them” instead of “singular third person pronouns”. At the same time, however, Ginsburg and Feigen-Fasteau hypocritically insist that the U.S. Department of Labor retains its “Women’s Bureau”.
On p. 102 of Sex Bias in the U.S. Code, under the sub-heading “Recommendations,” Ginsburg and Feigen-Fasteau recommend a revision of 18 U.S.C. §2032 from “carnal knowledge of any female, not his wife who has not attained the age of sixteen years” to “A person is guilty of an offense if he engages in a sexual act with another person, not his spouse, and . . . the other person is, in fact, less than 12 years old“. Below is the pertinent paragraph:
18 U.S.C. §2032 — Eliminate the phrase “carnal knowledge of any female, not his wife who has not attained the age of sixteen years” and substitute a Federal, sex-neutral definition of the offense patterned after S. 1400 §1633: A person is guilty of an offense if he engages in a sexual act with another person, not his spouse, and (1) compels the other person to participate: (A) by force or (B) by threatening or placing the other person in fear that any person will imminently be subjected to death, serious bodily injury, or kidnapping; (2) has substantially impaired the other person’s power to appraise or control the conduct by administering or employing a drug or intoxicant without the knowledge or against the will of such other person, or by other means; or (3) the other person is, in fact, less than 12 years old.
Ginsburg (and her co-author) also recommends that the Mann Act be repealed. The Mann Act is a federal law passed in 1910 which makes it a felony to engage in interstate or foreign commerce transport of “any woman or girl for the purpose of prostitution or debauchery, or for any other immoral purpose”.
Plot, take your Snopes quoting "facts" and shove em up your arse.
Well, those "recommendations" are starting to get implemented - pronouns, the scouts, etc. Not surprised that the "media" is trying to lay groundwork for pedos...
DeleteGosh mike m, you really invalidate your research there by trying to insult me using Snopes, of all things. That's unfortunate. I'd still like to plumb your knowledge though.
ReplyDeleteThat's an extremely broad and complicated recommendation above. Which part was Ginsburg particularly attached to? Do you know? What was this "offense" that she and Feigen-Fasteau were against for those committed this carnal knowledge (so quaint) on kids over 12? Do you know? Because I'm not sure. Did you read their argument as to why this was included in a report on governmental biases against women? It's curious for sure.
The Mann Act is extremely controversial on it's own. You, as a man I assume, should know that it is used unfairly and wrongly a whole lot mostly against men who can be framed under the nebulous heading of "immoral purpose." While it has served a certain J Edgar Hoover purpose in empowering the FBI to being a federal agency, it is mighty antiquated these days. It needs a serious rewrite.
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ReplyDeletemy question, why can't people just not look at child pornography? why can't people just have sex with other consenting people over 18?? why do people want to spare pedophiles in any way shape or form?
i am all for completely ruining the lives of pedophiles because pedophiles destroy lives.
this goes for everything child abuse related on this site. @enty, i hope you are reporting these claims to the police, or one day decide to completely out all the pedophiles you've spoken of in the past few years. they do not deserve sympathy or protection for harming children
This thread is why these issues should never be BIs. Being a pedo can be a mental problem AND statutory rape and violating consent laws and child porn can be a crimes. Both can be true. There's no normalizing of anything to believe that. Jails are full of people with some kind of mental disorder who are not *legally* insane.
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ReplyDeleteIt's Mark Thompson (Ceo of New York Times)
As the prior head of the BBC, he shut down Jill Dando's expose on Jimmy Savile
(Jill Dando (host of Crimewatch) was shot in the head in 1999 on her front stoop)
Again in 2011 another expose on Savile was yanked from the air by Mark Thompson
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Now that He's head of NY times, you get articles like "Pedophilia, A Disorder, Not a Crime"
@Plot....come on dude....
There is a difference between discussing the mental issues that lead to Pedophilia, and the NY Times explicitly calling it "Not a Crime"
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"Pedophilia: NOT A CRIME"-Mark Thompson & apparently, @plot
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Titles matter bro. Titles Matter.
Washington Post for sure.
ReplyDeleteDo any of you read papers? An paper's opinion page may have two opposing views on the same topic sitting right next to each other on the same day. My local paper has that all the time. The articles are opinions, not endorsements. Most of the writers on opinion pages are guests -- either people who have written in on their own, or people who have been asked to write an article because they are considered an expert or leader in a timely issues. They are not usually paid staff of the paper. The author of the article listed above is an assistant professor at a law school, not a NYT staff member.
ReplyDeletePedophillia and hebaphllia are serious issues and are not okay, but I think a lot of people are confusing "paper publishes an opinion article" with "the paper endorses this issue."
Always makes me feel sick whenever I see the DM stalking teen girls or celebrity kids with their long camera lenses and referring to them as busty beauties or stunners who are showing off their curves, giving us an eyeful, displaying their charms or ample assets etc *barf* Then next minute it’s fat shaming a celeb who has gained a few lbs and dares to show their face in public! I remember the DM once referring to Kaia Gerber (not sure if I spelt that right!) as a ‘tender young lovely’ She was about 10 at the time 🤢 All very creepy and misogynistic.
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ReplyDelete+1 enthusiastically!
No, I don't think the Outrage! crowd is too familiar with real journalism, newspapers or investigations, much less op eds.
@nemo.
ReplyDeleteWe do get it. What was the opposing opinion that was ran with this OP-Ed?
There wasn't, just a huge backlash from readers, who were for the most part rejected from being published
https://www.nytimes.com/times-insider/2014/10/13/discussion-of-pedophilia-turns-heated/?nytmobile=0
This professor is calling for "increased civil rights for pedophiles". No counterargument is equally represented in the op-ed section.
That's why people are criticizing the paper. This is a one-sided editorial.
Anybody that looks at Child porn, I hope the inmates beat your sorry asses. EOM
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ReplyDeleteyou got it. its Vice.
everyone (including me) thought it was nytimes (and the conservatives/trumptrolls on here of course think it was WaPo)
@beebopcowboy
ReplyDeleteVice is trash (and Murdoch infiltrated), but I don't think @Vice is a mainstream Newspaper, at their earliest, they were a weekly magazine.
I call bullshit on this.
ReplyDeleteSalon?
ReplyDeletePedophilia is a sickness. And as of now, there is no cure. Scientists believe is a cross wire in the brain from birth. Many pedos NEVER actually act on it, thats the scary part.
ReplyDeleteKind of hard to narrow it down to one ... Salon had that ridiculous article on the "virtuous pedophope". Other outlets have reported on child sex dolls (it felt so incredibly disgusting even typing that) and how that along with "ethical CP" (seriously?) will help to make pedos not venture out and seek children.... Right.... Like they're not going to get bored of the doll and seek the strange flesh they desire.... Sure...
ReplyDeleteI'd much rather children not be sexually assaulted and abused, and I think we're all in agreement on that, but yeah there should absolutely be no way to spin pedophilia as some sad predilection; you have a serious problem, go work on that shit, and don't get major new outlets to write fawning fluff pieces about what a saint you are for exerting basic self-control and not destroying a kid's life.
ReplyDelete"don't get major new outlets to write fawning fluff pieces "
ReplyDeleteWho has done that?
@Plot, we get it man. You like them under the age of 12. Do you really have to advertise it all over the place though? I think the perfect solution for all pedophiles is to have special prisons only for them. let them do whatever to each other!
ReplyDelete" You like them under the age of 12"
ReplyDeleteHell of a case of projection!
Might want to check your passions there.
@ Plot- I think Poor Mick was speaking to the actual Blind Item. None of us knows the answer to this one yet, so everyone is speculating.
ReplyDeleteYour need to have everything proven and cited is tedious. Chill out, this isn’t a court of law, it’s a gossip site with a carefully crafted disclaimer.
How about "all of them" ?!
ReplyDeleteIt's already happening, everywhere you look in the media...so keep your wits about you and lets not passively let this happen.
Yeah, I was talking about that series of "VirPed" articles Salon did a few years back where a self-confessed pedophile was given column space to laud himself and his friends for not actually touching the kids they lust after; a few other commenters alluded to them, too. I think they were since pulled or retracted in some way because they realized that nobody was having that shit.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.thecut.com/2017/02/salon-shouldnt-have-unpublished-its-pedophilia-article.html (Not that I'm a big fan of anyone else that shows up here, but at least it establishes the basic facts.)
Is it better that they haven't molested anyone than if they had? Sure! Should they get a medal, or positive press, or have their urges normalized and left untreated? No! Rocket science this ain't.
@Poor Mick
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely right! Thanks.
@Plot, I am pretty sure about my passions and in my view pedos should spend their whole lives without coming in contact with kids and preferably living with other pedos so that they can satisfy their urges on one another. Maybe a special pedo only jail or an asylum. Or maybe even a death penalty for them. But you sir are spending a lot of time and energy in defending the said article. I was just wondering why?
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, I see them succeeding.
ReplyDeleteThey will argue homosexuality was once considered a mental illness. They will argue homosexuals are born that way and pedophiles are born that way.
Read about Alfred Kinsey.
It's coming.
Just like transgenderism.
DeleteIs it a choice? Or are you born that way.
Doesn't matter once It's a protected class.
Did you know in Greece, pedophiles receive a government "disability stipend". So do exhibitionists and kleptomaniacs
In fact Pedos receive more $$$ than organ transplant recipients.
The Overton Window keeps opening
This is the same group of academics pushing the notion of "adult-child sexuality"
They say that it's the way society treats "victims" that harms the children. Not the rape.
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/furor-in-greece-over-pedophilia-as-a-disability/
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DeleteThank you for your well thought out comment.
We are still waiting for Schneider to end up in prison. I have a feeling he cut a deal to give up bigger fish. If not, he will be suicided because pedophiles run in packs. We will see.
Do you mean ex AG Schneiderman?
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ReplyDeleteAren't there towns already where convicted pedos live after they get out? One of them is in Florida, I believe.
You know, there are prisons that are connected to towns around them that are expressly made for the purpose of supporting the prison and housing the prisoners once they get out. They are somewhere in Latin America, IIRC. Families of prisoners come live and work in the town if they want to. Prisoners have access to jobs upon release. It's not a preconceived model by any means; it's something that happened organically. I wonder if something similar could be done for pedophiles (and we also have to be very very strict with how we define that.) A separate prison where release means they have to stay and work in the town surrounding the prison. After they do their time, I'm all for any prisoner trying to make a life for themselves but pedos really cannot, because of the reasons we all know about.
It's a very thorny issue. What happens to pedos who admit they are such before they ever touch a child or collect porn?
I'm not defending anyone. Given how invested everyone here is in pedophilia, I thought it might be the right forum to discuss this...
1. Don't call them virtuous
Delete2. Reaffirm that pedophilia is a crime
3. Counsel them, but watch them like hawks
Why?
Time and time again "virtuous pedophiles" rape kids
https://www.dangerous.com/39338/twitter-virtuous-pedophile-enderphile-charged-with-sexual-assault-and-child-pornography/
"An alleged pedophile who positioned himself as one of the “good ones” on Twitter has been charged with sexual assault and possession of child pornography"
"Internet sleuths were able to discern his identity after he was doxed, posting details of his home address and photographs, which identify Coulombe as @enderphile and @enderphile1. They uncovered his identity by connecting his screen names across various forums on the dark web, where he advocated for the normalization and destigmatization of the heinous practice. He also wrote articles arguing for the decriminalization of child pornography and sex with children, according to the amateur investigators."
Example 2: "virtuous pedophile" rapes foster daughter
Deletehttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4149408/Victim-faces-virtuous-pedophile-former-foster-dad.html
Gary Gibson, 65, of Oregon, is described as a non-offending pedophile
He says he's aroused by girls aged six to 12 but decides not to act on his urges. But former foster daughter says she was raped by Gary when she was ten
Jazzmyne Holden, now 20, says she abused during the three months in his care
The next day, my mom took me to the doctor and the doctor was able to tell that I had been sexually abused at one point in time.'
The incident was previously investigated by police and no criminal charges were filed.
Gary, who denies all the allegations, has since come forward to admit that he is attracted to little children - particularly young girls - but claims he has never acted on his urges.
Gary, of Oregon, recently came out as what he described as a 'virtuous pedophile', and has set up a non-profit organisation - the Association for Sexual Abuse Prevention - to help people like him who he says choose not to offend.
But Holden, who says she was raped by Gary four to five times, says she was sickened by his claims he never touched children.
"Virtuous Pedophile"
Delete= Orwellian double-speak
How to do it?
Take two words that have duelling (opposing) meanings
Virtuous: "upstanding, moral"
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Pedophile: "child rapist"
= Virtuous Pedophile: or shorten it to VirPed so people don't realize the trick you're pulling.
Bonus round: "Incel"
Celibate: "willingly abstaining from sex
Involuntary: "un-willing"
= Involuntary Celibate...quick! Shorten it to "Incel" before the masses question it. Also wayyy easier to use as a Slur!
It is these invented words that idiots without critical thinking/vocabulary propogate. With enough repetition This ends up rewriting societal norms.
Keep calm citizens. And remember War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, and Pedophiles are Virtuous
@plot
DeleteHi.
There was a "virtuous pedophile" on Dr. Phil a while back. The man has a wife. He swore he never touched a kid. For once, Dr. Phil asked good questions and was able to get the man to admit he hangs out at parks, etc. and fantasizes about touching the kids.
We all know behavior follows thoughts. If pedophiles honestly cannot help but to have these thoughts they will act on them even if they don't want to.
It's extremely not like being transgender, because one is about individual self-identity and the other is about relations between people... namely adults fucking children who aren't sexually or emotionally mature. That equivalence is the same bullshit about how "homosexuality is just like pedophilia" re-branded for a new generation's anxiety about sexual identities they don't understand. Ditto all the bathroom panic shit. A lot of them are at-risk and have a hard enough time getting through the day as it is, but there is a reason that in all the extra-letter versions of "LGBT" there's never a "P" for "pedophile" alright?
ReplyDeletePeople still know to feel weird about cradle-robbers and "talent scouts" making copies of IDs before the flown-in models get passed around even if it's legal on the books. The idea that a child is immature and must be a certain age to responsibly do certain things, like drink or vote or fight in war or give sexual consent, doesn't seem to really be under attack. If someone starts trying to move that goalpost and it gains any traction, I'll buy everyone on CDAN the first round of pitchforks from Home Depot. For now, it mostly seems like it's just people rich enough to make monsters of themselves and halfwit editors-in-chief that "want to hear new voices" by printing just the worst shit imaginable and getting hate-click traffic. I think we all know where most of the higher-ups in the "Fourth Estate" (blurgh) bet their chips at any rate.
@poormick
DeleteI'm fine with adults doing whatever they want with themeselves and other consenting adults.
I'm pointing out the historical trend of criminalized behaviors/persuasions, getting classified as mental illnesses, before then becoming legally protected.
I'm fine with everything but pedophilia and bestiality. But kids can't consent to sex with adults or transgender surgery/medical interventions involving private parts. I'm anti female genital mutilation and anti-circumcision. Keep doctors'/parents'/religious' hands off baby genitals.
Bathrooms should be based on biological gender differentiation. Male/Female. More women are raped by biological men than transgenders raped at all. Or we implement a 3 room system, but then when does it end...asexual bathrooms so the voluntarily celibate have no fear of any sexual harassment?
And if any trend begins towards pedo normalization, I'll split those pitchforks with ya.
@Poor Mick
DeleteIf sexuality/pedophilia has nothing to do with identity,
1. Then why do people alter their appearance and behavior when they come out of the closet?
2. Then why are LGBTQ given protective class status? No one would know they are LGBTQ unless that person told them or slept with them.
Just something to think about.
Brand a P in the middle of the forehead of all convicted pedophiles and watch them spend the rest of their lives trying to get it off, but they never will. Anything so people can keep them away from their children. But I also know that somehow this would be against their civil rights...I just feel the need to protect children, more than pedophiles.
ReplyDelete@Schneiderisnext, leave transgender out of this. It doesn't have anything to do with pedophilia and only weakens the argument. The "Virtuous Pedophile" term should never be used, it's not a virtue just to not commit a crime. Maybe we can get some term for people that want treatment before actions,but so far , nothing really works.
ReplyDelete@guesser I clarified with @poormick
DeleteHave no issue with transgenderism my statement is about the evolution of social norms separate from moral standpoint
So you know my moralistic slippery slope begins with bestiality and ends in pedophilia. To everyone else... Viva la Vida!
@Guesser
DeleteMaybe you missed my earlier comment? @Schneiderisnext and I are trying to make a point.
Pedophiles are sick but they will claim there is nothing wrong with them because they are born that way, just like LGBTQ. I am serious, a lot of them say this. Just research Alfred Kinsey. The man was sick beyond belief. Sex education is based on his unethical, biased, and partially falsified "research."
@Schneiderisnext It's all good, man, I get you. Thanks for following up.
ReplyDelete@Poor Mick
DeleteToday is Thursday. I appreciate you want to focus on the comment & decide not to attack the person that made it.
We all know behavior CAN follow thoughts. Part of the reason I don't own a gun is because the thought of shooting someone is then closer to the reality of doing so. But I don't hang out in gun stores fantasizing about them however.
ReplyDeleteThere probably exists means for pedophiles to control themselves in societies not like our own which preaches Go For It! in every commercial even if only for a popsicle. We US Americans are congratulated excessively for being greedy, taking what one wants, all goals are equal, Winners not Losers, every person is a Hero no matter what if they get what they want. I can't imagine any therapy or institutional controls to work here against pedophiles or serial rapists of any kind. Our society nearly forbids the inhibitions of any urge...particularly for white guys.
This is the sticking point of US culture altogether. Everyone has to be a winner, but no goal is specified or ethical ways to achieve it. We are empty that way. No wonder even the best people are so deeply attached to their perversions and addictions. This society sure doesn't raise them to tell the ethical differences in Going For It in every possible avenue.
I don't see that changing in our country for a long long time. We're required to jettison our image of ourselves as Winners of the World which makes us morally superior, and that change won't happen quietly when it's imposed on us.
plot
ReplyDeleteNot everyone in this country has that view of life. Maybe you should travel out of this country sometime and see how the other 7/8 lives.
Some of us appreciate what we have in life and realize that there are other forces who want you to believe everything is in turmoil.
I live in a pretty big city down south and for the most part everyone just wants to enjoy their life and take care of their families. Which also includes looking out for their security, no matter what that entails.
@T. W. Well "sexuality/pedophilia" seem like two things you can't exactly package together and treat as one and the same. To me, anyway.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure where you're seeing I said gender expression wasn't about identity, since I said almost the exact opposite: being transgender or cisgender has nothing to do with sexual orientation or desire for others.
There's an identity element to "coming out" because, big surprise, we live in a society where they didn't feel safe actually following through with their identity and/or sexual orientation until that point in time. They're given status as a protected class because it's pretty clear that they need actual protection.
Sure, there's a lot of very deliberating going overboard with it, because a lot of that is because of the repression that came before it and grappling with visibility and the demand for equal rights and respect. They're a minority group with its own elements of subculture; you can have good and bad people in that, ask any of them. (As far as big problems largely within queer circles, don't Goggle "pozzing" if you don't already know what it is or else you might start wearing full-body condoms to bed every night.)
Back to the original thing I was saying here, a pedophile is defined by what they're attracted to but specifically not by the gender or sex of their desires. They can try to wrongly co-opt the patter and language of LGBT causes all they want, but it's not an orientation or an identity at all. It's a fetish; a sick, depraved fetish often rooted in pre-existing abuse or serious mental issues and lapses in morality. There's straight sickos (Epstein) and homosexual sickos (Singer) and similarly there are cisgender predators and transgender predators.
Now if you really wanted to get into the real crazy side of sympathy overkill you might be able to find a handful of nutjobs who would say shunning pedos is "kinkshaming" but most of those people are buried deep on Tumblr where they belong. NAMBLA's not exactly doing gangbusters on enrollment, thankfully.
So, kids at home, the moral is: don't use shortcuts, generalizations or false equivalence when you want to identify "the problem" or "the enemy" or else you might vanish down some mental rabbit hole like Russiagate or QAnon, never to return. And don't forget to mail those green pieces of paper to Soupy Sales at this address.
@mike m
ReplyDeleteI've lived in several foreign countries, thanks. By way of that, I can make comparisons between the USA and elsewhere.
So...if someone exhibits bad behavior, it's a disorder? Beating a child, rape, murder, pedophilia? If someone rapes a child, it's a disorder not a criminal act? I personally don't think pedophilia is a disorder. I think these pedophiles are just disgusting pigs who know exactly what they're doing. No excuses. If we cut their peckers off...problem will be solved. No more disorder. Then all of a sudden their brains will work just fine.
ReplyDeleteEven eunuchs have sexual desires. Cutting off anything (but the head) doesn't stop the brain from firing.
ReplyDeleteWhat is it either or for you? It can be both a disorder and a criminal act. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Exactly.
DeleteThe NYT Editorial title LITERALLY says THEY ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE
"Pedophilia is a Disorder, Not a Crime"
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/06/opinion/pedophilia-a-disorder-not-a-crime.html
Yet you defend the editorial and editorial board which chose to run it.
Cut of their nuts to reduce their testosterone
ReplyDeleteObviously ex AG Schneiderman, where have YOU been these last few weeks?
ReplyDeleteAnd it as Schneiderman who opened the investigation into NXIVM though the clowns here want him to be a member of the cult.