It can be if served on sandwich bread sliced or one piece of bread rolled around it. Otherwise in a hot dog bun no. And hot dogs aren't charged as a sandwich would be in stores and kosher delis or regular delis either. Not even at the overpriced sports arenas.
A lone weiner isn't a sandwich until it's inside the bun. And if you don't break the bun, you still have just one piece of bread. You know, technically.
A hamburger doesn't suffer these issues. If you eat it alone, it's called a 'hamburger patty' and the bread is always in 2 pieces.
Do you call a hamburger, a beef sandwich? Or that monstrosity KFC has that's 2 chicken cutlets with a hunk of Belgian waffle in the middle - is this a waffle sandwich?
But - lemme ask this - have you ever had to put your hot dog on regular bread because you were out of hot dog buns/rolls? If you have, did you slice the wiener all the way open (two long pieces) and slather the bread with mustard? Or did you use one piece of bread and cradle the weenie in it, squirt mustard on it, and eat it?
Is it the type of bread that determines whether it's a sandwich or a stand alone foodstuff item?
@Sher, but if you were a pooor kid like me and ate that shit sliced up between two pieces of toasted white bread and a piece of american cheese on top of it, yeah it's a kind of sandwich, you know, technically. no need to be condescending.
I'm here to muddy the waters (RIP Clara) with the Great Depression era 'Poor Man's Meal'
Made from hotdogs, potatoes & onions all fried together in a skillet. Cheap & yummy
https://youtu.be/3OPQqH3YlHA
My variation: I substitute sausage (turkey kielbasa is my favorite but you could use others) & use tomato sauce (or a good red sauce if I have one on hand) for the ketchup (these days there's too much sugar/high fructose corn syrup in ketchup for my liking)
I first heard this important debate on Judge John Hodgman post cast. This kid wrote an essay on it and it was read on the air. He had hands-down the best answer. When you buy HOt DOG BUNS it says: For hot dogs ONLY! That is not the case with regular bread. Therefore a hot dog is not a sandwich. Also, I highly recommend the podcast series. Very funny.
Hey! Right up my food and English Language history alley.
Cool. Gonna do this one stream of consciousness thought process. Bear with me. It’s not a good communication day.
The answer should depend on what the defining elements of sandwiches are. Based on the English culinary and linguistic history (since were using the English word), a sandwich is defined by the practicality of encapsulating your meal within the traditional accompanying leavened baked good. Like the Earl of Sandwich asked the chef to do when he was on his famous gambling binge and didn’t want to break for meals.
So, is a hot dog a sandwich by the English definition? Technically, yes, if you take sandwiches in their historical as well as contemporary context as a flavorful filling inside an accompanying leavened baked* good designed to be eaten conveniently by hand without the need for plate, fork, or knife, and generally keeping the filling from spilling out or getting the hands messy.
Hot dogs, hamburgers, hoagies, French dips, and gyros are specialized TYPES of sandwiches, but still technically sandwiches.
As for tacos and burritos (I’d personally consider the wrap more of a burrito than a sandwich, incidentally, and would probably class foods eaten with crepes, injera, or naan here), I started on the fence, but came down against including them because the grain product isn’t leavened and is meant to be wrapped around and physically block the filling from escaping without the absorption properties of a leavened product. Conceptually, it’s the same idea, but linguistically, tortillas aren’t considered a “bread” in the English language because they aren’t leavened, and their mechanism of keeping things together and neat is different from the way a sandwich traditionally works.
Things marketed as “sandwiches” without bread (using lettuce, mushrooms, fried chicken, whatever, instead) are only entitled to use “sandwich” in its verb form, “sandwiches between slices of haloumi cheese,” for example, while potentially delicious, is not a sandwich.
Pizza, pie, calzones, pasties, quiche, bao, etc, I’ll argue only meet the convenient to hold and eat portion of the sandwich definition because they’re combined prior to cooking and the bread never exists as “bread” in a separate state from the filling. All of the above should be technically classed as pies or buns.
Interestingly, tiny bread bowls filled with what we might consider a thick stew these days, were classed with sandwiches in the Victorian day. But only the tiny ones. Once you need dish ware and silverware, it’s no longer a sandwich.
So, taken in context as a food driven by practicality and the nature of its two essential components of leavened bread and a filling it prevents from escaping, both hamburgers and hot dogs (and gyros and biscuit breakfast sandwiches and filled bolios, and bagels with toppings**) are sandwiches.***
*Don’t even ask me about unleavened pitas. I don’t know. I only know the kind made with yeast but not cooked in a fully risen state, and I recall that prior trips to the Middle East inspired the Earl’s request, so... **As long as it’s eaten with both halves at once or it’s technically an open faced sandwich which is even older) ***Damn. Now I’m really hungry for a bolio with (soy) chorizo, beans, crema, requeson, avocado, and pico de gallo. Seriously, guys, that type of sandwich is heaven. You crack open the top of the roll and hollow out the bolio to make room for the fillings, fill it up with the above, and eat.
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Nope Never has been a sandwich and never will be...It's a Hot Dog. Just like a Hamburger is not really a sandwich, although people call it that. I think of sandwiches as cold from the fridge.
Not if you put it in your butt.
ReplyDeleteNo.Hot Dogs are an entity into itself.
ReplyDelete#IstandwithHotDogs
Friends, I've got a new job - working shift work at the chess factory.
ReplyDeleteThis week, I'm on knight duty.
Yes. And, the only good one is from Costco.
ReplyDeleteThey serve Hebrew national wieners
DeleteYes. Technically a sandwich is a piece of meat between two pieces of bread
ReplyDeleteLOL @ Brayson that's when they're extra tasty!
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/is-a-hot-dog-a-sandwich
ReplyDeleteIf it's served in a roll. Next!
ReplyDeleteA sandwich is made from SLICES of bread. A hot dog is only a sandwich if you are out of rolls.
ReplyDeleteThe same goes for hamburgers.
What about a French dip? Or a hoagie? Or a po boy? Or a Cuban?? I could go on all day!
DeleteIt can be if served on sandwich bread sliced or one piece of bread rolled around it. Otherwise in a hot dog bun no. And hot dogs aren't charged as a sandwich would be in stores and kosher delis or regular delis either. Not even at the overpriced sports arenas.
ReplyDeleteI might consider a Chicago-style hot dog to be a sandwich, but otherwise, no for me
ReplyDelete@americanpanda
ReplyDeleteBut also, technically, a hotdog itself is not.
A lone weiner isn't a sandwich until it's inside the bun. And if you don't break the bun, you still have just one piece of bread. You know, technically.
A hamburger doesn't suffer these issues. If you eat it alone, it's called a 'hamburger patty' and the bread is always in 2 pieces.
Do you call a hamburger, a beef sandwich?
ReplyDeleteOr that monstrosity KFC has that's 2 chicken cutlets with a hunk of Belgian waffle in the middle - is this a waffle sandwich?
But - lemme ask this - have you ever had to put your hot dog on regular bread because you were out of hot dog buns/rolls? If you have, did you slice the wiener all the way open (two long pieces) and slather the bread with mustard? Or did you use one piece of bread and cradle the weenie in it, squirt mustard on it, and eat it?
Is it the type of bread that determines whether it's a sandwich or a stand alone foodstuff item?
@Sher, but if you were a pooor kid like me and ate that shit sliced up between two pieces of toasted white bread and a piece of american cheese on top of it, yeah it's a kind of sandwich, you know, technically. no need to be condescending.
ReplyDelete"Is it the type of bread that determines whether it's a sandwich or a stand alone foodstuff item?"
ReplyDeleteIs a Hot Pocket a sandwich? Is Beef Wellington? Are Pizza Rolls? Is a Taco? A Burrito?
@americanpanda
ReplyDeleteI was being facetious. (or attempting to be!)
;)
no. no it is not.
ReplyDeleteI'm here to muddy the waters (RIP Clara) with the Great Depression era 'Poor Man's Meal'
ReplyDeleteMade from hotdogs, potatoes & onions all fried together in a skillet. Cheap & yummy
https://youtu.be/3OPQqH3YlHA
My variation: I substitute sausage (turkey kielbasa is my favorite but you could use others) & use tomato sauce (or a good red sauce if I have one on hand) for the ketchup (these days there's too much sugar/high fructose corn syrup in ketchup for my liking)
My mil makes a similar thing. Hot dogs. Eggs, and potatoes. Sliced and fried. Looks ugly but tastes pretty good!
DeleteIt's meat with bread providing containment in an easy to handle package. Its a sandwich.
ReplyDelete"It's meat with bread providing containment in an easy to handle package. Its a sandwich."
ReplyDeleteSo a slice of pizza is just an Italian open faced sandwich?
I haven't eaten bread or buns since 2006. It's all meat to me.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Chase - meat with bread.
ReplyDeleteEven if cocktail wienie wrapped in cresent, it is still a sandwich - mini sandwich!!
This. is. silly.
I have made many hotdog sandwiches for my kids when I don't have buns. If there is a bun, then it's just a hotdog. I won't touch the things, ick.
ReplyDelete@atoukzug- So a slice of pizza is just an Italian open faced sandwich?
ReplyDeleteIf you fold that bitch , it becomes a sandwich.
So at the beginning of Saturday Night Fever, John Travolta was eating a Pizza Club Sandwich before going to the Club.
ReplyDeleteDamn, that's some Kubrick level foreshadowing there...
Not any more than a hamburger is.
ReplyDeleteI first heard this important debate on Judge John Hodgman post cast. This kid wrote an essay on it and it was read on the air. He had hands-down the best answer.
ReplyDeleteWhen you buy HOt DOG BUNS it says: For hot dogs ONLY!
That is not the case with regular bread. Therefore a hot dog is not a sandwich.
Also, I highly recommend the podcast series. Very funny.
Yes, a lot of these arguments could be used to suggest that a taco is a sandwich too.
ReplyDelete@Sher I'm sorry I'm extra cranky today and I shouldn't have said that, we're on a celebrity gossip blog for goodness sake whats wrong with me!
ReplyDeleteHave a great day :)
"@Sher I'm sorry I'm extra cranky today and I shouldn't have said that, we're on a celebrity gossip blog for goodness sake whats wrong with me!"
ReplyDeleteAt least you didn't bite her in the face...
As much as a kebab is!
ReplyDeleteNot on its own. It needs to be between 2 pieces of bread or inside a bun in order to be a hot dog sandwich.
ReplyDeleteActually, this was on reddit months ago.
ReplyDeleteA hot dog is a taco.
Hey! Right up my food and English Language history alley.
ReplyDeleteCool. Gonna do this one stream of consciousness thought process. Bear with me. It’s not a good communication day.
The answer should depend on what the defining elements of sandwiches are. Based on the English culinary and linguistic history (since were using the English word), a sandwich is defined by the practicality of encapsulating your meal within the traditional accompanying leavened baked good. Like the Earl of Sandwich asked the chef to do when he was on his famous gambling binge and didn’t want to break for meals.
So, is a hot dog a sandwich by the English definition? Technically, yes, if you take sandwiches in their historical as well as contemporary context as a flavorful filling inside an accompanying leavened baked* good designed to be eaten conveniently by hand without the need for plate, fork, or knife, and generally keeping the filling from spilling out or getting the hands messy.
Hot dogs, hamburgers, hoagies, French dips, and gyros are specialized TYPES of sandwiches, but still technically sandwiches.
As for tacos and burritos (I’d personally consider the wrap more of a burrito than a sandwich, incidentally, and would probably class foods eaten with crepes, injera, or naan here), I started on the fence, but came down against including them because the grain product isn’t leavened and is meant to be wrapped around and physically block the filling from escaping without the absorption properties of a leavened product. Conceptually, it’s the same idea, but linguistically, tortillas aren’t considered a “bread” in the English language because they aren’t leavened, and their mechanism of keeping things together and neat is different from the way a sandwich traditionally works.
Things marketed as “sandwiches” without bread (using lettuce, mushrooms, fried chicken, whatever, instead) are only entitled to use “sandwich” in its verb form, “sandwiches between slices of haloumi cheese,” for example, while potentially delicious, is not a sandwich.
Pizza, pie, calzones, pasties, quiche, bao, etc, I’ll argue only meet the convenient to hold and eat portion of the sandwich definition because they’re combined prior to cooking and the bread never exists as “bread” in a separate state from the filling. All of the above should be technically classed as pies or buns.
Interestingly, tiny bread bowls filled with what we might consider a thick stew these days, were classed with sandwiches in the Victorian day. But only the tiny ones. Once you need dish ware and silverware, it’s no longer a sandwich.
So, taken in context as a food driven by practicality and the nature of its two essential components of leavened bread and a filling it prevents from escaping, both hamburgers and hot dogs (and gyros and biscuit breakfast sandwiches and filled bolios, and bagels with toppings**) are sandwiches.***
*Don’t even ask me about unleavened pitas. I don’t know. I only know the kind made with yeast but not cooked in a fully risen state, and I recall that prior trips to the Middle East inspired the Earl’s request, so...
**As long as it’s eaten with both halves at once or it’s technically an open faced sandwich which is even older)
***Damn. Now I’m really hungry for a bolio with (soy) chorizo, beans, crema, requeson, avocado, and pico de gallo. Seriously, guys, that type of sandwich is heaven. You crack open the top of the roll and hollow out the bolio to make room for the fillings, fill it up with the above, and eat.
A hot dog is not a sandwich. I am English, I know these things.
ReplyDeleteHey Enty. Off-topic but I thought you should know that “The Scientology Network” is advertising on your blog.
ReplyDeleteI’ve never had an issue with your advertising (found some pretty interesting nail art stuff, in fact, and I click on them oftentimes) but I don’t think you’d be too happy about Scientology advertising on YOUR OWN site. Uhm, just thought you should know.
FINALLY, I can comment again. FFS.
DeleteNope Never has been a sandwich and never will be...It's a Hot Dog. Just like a Hamburger is not really a sandwich, although people call it that. I think of sandwiches as cold from the fridge.
ReplyDeleteIt’s a hot witch. 🌋👩🏻🌶🔥✨
ReplyDelete💋
Actually that looks like a burger to me... 🌭🥪🍔
DeleteThis has been all over the internet for YEARS, not just this week. Geez, Enty. LOL
ReplyDeleteAnd no, a hot dog is a hot dog. Not a sandwich.
In Hawaii and Paris, I had delicious hot dog in French roll!! Ate a Costco one and u threw up three times. Tried a 2nd time and had a stomach ache.
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