Blind Item #8 - One Movie
Posted by ent lawyer at 8:45 AM
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107 comments:
River Phoenix/?
Was thinking Running On Emory/Griffin Dunne maybe... Martha Plimpton the GF?
Probably way off
I don’t think any of his films bombed like that.
Does KIDS fit?
This screams G e f f e n but I don’t think it is. He only produced 4 movies per IMDb. None fit the description. 3 deaths, lead actor died, and it bombed.
Great guess on River Phoenix. But I feel like Martha Plimpton would tell all by now. Although maybe she doesn’t want to drag River into anything out of respect.
Want to make Brad Renfro work, but still looking on imdb for clues
Benny Medina & David Geffen don't fit the blind as written. I am stumped.
@aanjheni - none of Jones' films listed on imdb fit
could the movie be Bully? just guessin
I think the movie producer/record exec was murdered so none of the guesses fit.
Only murdered music execs I can think of are Jose Menendez and Charlie Minor but can't find any movies for them..
This has to be Jose Menendez right????
George Harrison was a movie producer. He also founded/owned HandMade Films.
Explorers?
River Phoenix and Amanda Peterson were in it, and get this, from Amanda Peterson's imdb bio:
"When Amanda Peterson was 15 years old she suffered a traumatizing rape by a 27 years old man, which her family chose not to disclose until after her death."
The Producer thing doesn't really fit, although a producer named David Bombyk did later die.
How could sleeping with producers "ultimately kill" you? I assume that's what "this kind of thing" refers to. That seems like a pretty big clue.
OH FUCK. DAVID BOMBYK WAS PRESIDENT OF GEFFEN FILMS.
http://articles.latimes.com/1989-01-29/news/mn-1827_1_david-bombyk
Corey Haim was in a movie called Watchers around that age, that made less than a million. Not sure if/how the rest of the stuff fits though.
After the rape you start the drugs. After the drugs, comes more drugs. After the more drugs...
You got it I think
Made by carloco which had a lot of ties to Jose Menendez and co starred Lala Sloatman who was exactly one yr older than Haim
This is the only one I could find with Brad Renfro and under $1 million box office:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telling_Lies_in_America
Ooh, @Zanti, I think you're onto something.
Bombyk died of AIDS. How does that fit with this blind? Did he spread it to the people involved? I haven't been on this page long enough, but is Haim's "pneumonia" death code for AIDS? I've actually been wondering that for a while, especially after hearing that Haim had a recurring relationship with Sheen, not just the Lucas rape.
I can't tell if "before he was killed" refers to the actor being killed or the exec. Neither Bombyk nor Haim was "killed" unless you count whoever have him AIDS. But I don't think that's it.
And whose marriage broke up? Damn Enty and his confusing blinds. If clarified, this would be easier.
License to Drive with the Coreys and Heather Graham? Don't know about the producer though.
According to this article, Jose Menendez was executive VP of Carolco, which produced Watchers with Corey Haim.
http://articles.latimes.com/1989-08-25/business/fi-1007_1_jose-menendez
Ok, so if it's Menendez, I remember him and Haim in an earlier blind. I checked imdb and of course it's not there.
So the only missing piece here, the actress who Menendez was having an affair with (or raping) while married to Kitty. One of the sons had a thing for her. Hmmmmmmmm
Isnt it common knowledge that Chilli Peppers' John Fruciante killed River with a hot dose (perhaps liquid heroin/morphine) @ Johnny Depp's Viper Room & everyone scrambled to cover it up?
I'm thinking Rap wars stuff.
@Karma: I know recall bad heroin and River and people scattering. I believe River even realized at some point it was bad.
So, it's rather true Menendez really was a creep?! Perhaps even to his sons?
One of the production companies on Watchers is Roger Corman's, another made Basic Instinct and Showgirls. The third is called Centaur films and several of the titles after Watchers 1 & 2 sound like gay porn. Tight Ends and Wide Receivers 2. Man Academy 2: Rites of Passage. Etc.
Lala Sloatman as the girlfriend in the Watchers
Wow!! I think SANSA got it. Watchers starred Corey Haim and girlfriend Lala Sloatman (NIece of Fran Zappa) and made just under $1 million. It was produced by CarolCo which was run by Jose Mendez. The blind says Jose slept with the both of them prior to/during filming, but at the time of his death he was cheating on Kitty with a different underage actress that either Lyle or Eric was interested in.
Yeah, looks like it all fits. I'm curious about the other actress, but there's not much to go on there. Could be anyone.
Ages check out, she was born a year before Corey and was his girlfriend in real life as well as in Watchers.
What 3 actors are dead from Watchers?
It doesn't say 3 actors from the movie are dead. Just that it led to 3 deaths.
Why did I even bother watching any movies in the 80's?
-throws Watchers memories on the growing mental bonfire.
So the third death is supposed to be Kitty Menendez?
And the other actress, was she in Watchers too? Because unless she was one of those "girl at school" characters, it doesn't work. Ghislane and Justine Crawford. No idea on ages or anything. They don't have much info.
Three deaths:
Corey Haim
Jose Menendez
Kitty Menendez
The film itself didn't directly lead to the deaths, but it exemplifies the sexual abuse that led to the deaths.
The other underage actress could have been in another Carolco film. They made a bunch that came out between 88-90.
There is an old blind about Menendez raping Ricky Martin and the members if Menudo.
Here's an idea. Instead of picking a name and 'trying to make it fit', why not read the actual clues.
Would Jose be considered the "owner" of Carolco, though? Everything seems to suggest he was Executive Vice President.
Who's the underage actress Lyle/Eric was lusting after? Off to google.
Rebecca Romaine was lusted after by the older Menendez brother
@sdaly thank you so much.Feeling like a true blonde today
one word: dreamworks
Heather Graham was 19 on August 20th, 1989
This could be Rodney Harvey from the movie SALSA his girlfriend was the actress & believe it or not Rodney was way more messed up than Corey & Salsa didn't have great acting & Watchers did-but regardless w/the Zappa or the lively families (didn't give a hint that it was acting/music family)
I remember it & still think it's Rodney Harvey & not Corey Haim
Acting/musical family for the actress girlfriend
Hmm, Salsa looks like it definitely made more than a million. Also, it came out when Rodney was about 21. That particular movie doesn't really seem to fit, unless he filmed it years before it came out, I guess.
How about Saul Zaents, Mosquito Coast with River Phoenix, Harrison Ford...
We can go from being 99 to 100% sure this is Watchers/Haim/Menendez/Sloatman although not enough clues for the underage actress that Menendez's son was also interested in. Here's an article from 2010 where Lala talks about meeting Haim when Lost Boys came out and then dating on and off for two years. Lost boys was released July 1987 when Haim was 16
https://jezebel.com/5491151/dating-corey-haim-my-first-major-heartbreak
@joshg g was the later hint that himmm gave about that blind & the cannonball run movies & to focus on the young actors in the movie (Brooke Shields/Alyssa Milano)& Alyssa was Corey's girlfriend at one time) & & Brooke had many obsessed fans -just trying to figure out how it ties together
Wait. @John Doe - the link you posted said they met at Alphie's Soda Pop Club. Alphie Hoffman is the third name that Corey F. mentions that molested him. The walls are closing in on this one.
http://www.newsweek.com/who-alphy-hoffman-corey-feldman-reveals-name-third-alleged-child-abuser-710384
I had forgotten about Rodney Harvey. Good lord, he was gorgeous!
Now that I think of it, the Menendez blind (someone please link to it, I'm terrible at finding them) wasn't 100% Haim. That was a popular guess. I'd like to read it again.
As for the other actress, she has to be in Watchers, or somehow related to it, because the deaths are tied to the one movie, not Carolco movies in general.
So maybe it's not Haim/Menendez/Menendez/Sloatman
@john doe I'm always hoping for a Rodney Harvey blind prob too much-In the menudo blind concerning Menendez, himmm gave a hint in the comments to look at movie Speedzone/CBRun & younger actors Alyssa Milano/ Brooke Shields if these blinds are connected......I'm going to lose sleep on this one-both blinds driving me crazy & I really need to be on my maxi climber (lol)
Well. I should read the answers before I waste 30 minutes of my life. Movie made unelder mill.. Haim drug addict/death. Gf/costar lala. One yr older than Haim.
Here's last years blind that many people think is Menendez and Haim. I'll copy paste the relevant part:
Anyway, shortly after that movie came out, our executive was talking to movie producers and seeing how this label could be a part of their movie. At a party he was introduced to this actor who was foreign born. He had just started making his second movie after starring on a television show for tweens.
Our actor would go on to be A list and was a definite heartthrob of the decade. At this party, the movie producer offered up the actor to the record executive. Apparently the two had sex. How do we know they had sex? Well, a few years later, this record executive made the news in a very big way. Not the way he probably would have hoped. His wife probably hoped not to make the news in that way either. The husband and wife are pretty big again this fall. Anyway, when the big news happened, our actor said to more than one person that he had hooked up with the record executive in a cabana next to the pool at the movie producer's house.
Oh, and that movie producer who is permanently A+ list was passing off this actor when the actor was 14 or 15. Yeah, and also having raping him on an almost daily basis.
http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2017/10/todays-blind-items-not-shown-on-tv.html
Great job! It sure looks the same as this blind. Whether it’s again and Menendez, that’s another story. It’s certainly adding up that way.
Only flea was there that night and he was on stage playing
Here's Hmmmm comments from Melendez blind
Al Ruddy...one of the hubs on the wheel of everything bad.
Look into the movie SPEED ZONE and the younger cast members.
Then figure into the threads connecting to this: Arista Records was part of Columbia Pictures, formed by Clive Davis, and later was part of RCA.
There's no doubt this was Menudo and Menendez. But you sleuths start down the rabbit hole of Al Ruddy, all the teen hearthrobs at RCA & Arista (from Fabian to David Cassidy) and on, and on, and on. Pay close attention to the movies Ruddy produced and with whom. Obviously there's a lot of innocent/decent people in there who wouldn't force kids into anything ever (Hal Needham, Burt Reynolds, or Sinatra never had to force anybody) but others who were pathologically horrific.
And you get into Jose Menendez and Embassy Pictures, Live Entertainment, Carolco, and Mario Kassar & Andy Vanja (aka "Andy Vagina"). Which connects to Noel Bloom and Caballero the mob-owned porn company. It's insane, it's dirty, and wading through it is enough to drive you to the brink of crazy. Like Beautiful Mind-level crazy.
Is Caballero the porn co mentioned in the future huge movie about the porn star who disappeared and became a lawyer?
I feel like I need a giant white board on my wall so I can keep a continual “flow chart” of sorts...
@joshg g You rock!!!!!
There is no Carol in HR! There is no Pepe Silvia!
My problem with Jose Menendez guess is that he was not the owner (not even close) of Carolco Pictures Andy Vajna and Mario Kassar were. He headed up their video distribution unit Live Entertainment. He also did not produce movies for them. And Live was not the video distributor of Watchers so I don't see how he was involved with that movie?? Jose did not produce.
In terms of @josh mentioning Al Ruddy. He did produce the Ladybugs movie with Jonathan Brandis who was 16 at the time and dating Vinessa Shaw who was also in the movie at the time. Another producer on the movie Lloyd Bloom was later murdered and the killer was never found. None of them appear to be record execs though but though it was weird that Ruddy tied in with that one as well.
My favorite producer murder was Roy Radin. Dude thought a coked up Lamont Sanford following the car would ensure his safety? Didnt he hear all the times Fred called Lamont a Big Dummy?
Somebody really needs to make an online chart with red string for all of these.
Stiles could put it all together, and Void Stiles could clean house afterwards.
Good find, all that stuff about Explorers is pretty interesting but according to wiki it made about 9 mil at the box office and this film made less that 1 mil.
I think so @joshg g
I saw that when the Menudo blind came out but thought Johnathon brandis age didn't fit that blind in 1986
Stacey Donovan
I was just listening to the podcast How Did This Get Made and they reviewed Ladybugs last week. They talked about how many creepy sex jokes there were involving kids. In one scene Rodney had Jonathan in a store dressing room and the "joke" was that an old lady outside thought a man was raping a child in there. Overhearing lines like "It's too tight. It hurts. If you just hold still this will be over faster."
A girl from the movie was in the podcast's live audience and said she was once called to go into Rodney's trailer to rehearse lines but didn't allude to anything inappropriate happening.
I Know... RIGHT?
I SO want to make Hillary Clinton work for this one....
Well, back to the grindstone
Way off as usual, Haim seems to fit. What a life for that kid, fucking infuriating.
Never fuck over Aunt Ester!
My 2 fave Sanford & Son moments were when Lamont was in court and Fred tolf the cop "there enough enwurds in here to film a Tarzan movie" and the time he snatched Aunt Ester's wig off as the closing credits were about to start and a chase started around the couch.
Yes-Debbie Does Dallas?
No doubt something very dark went on w/that kid too
New commenter here, been watching from afar have mad respect for the OG's here. I'm pretty sure the actor is river Phoenix, the movie is mosquito coast, the gf is Martha plimpton, the producer is Saul zaentz. I can't figure out who died though
Saul Zaentz fits music/movie & did produce One Flew Over the Coo-Coo's -damn i may have to research this now
There are holes in this theory.The Mosquito Coast did $16 mil & he died from alseimers River & Marth met on the making of the movie-it would fit maybe if he produced Running on empty but he didn't & they wouldn't fit in the age range at that point.
Thinking Quincy Jones as well.
Salsa’s one of my favorite movies @Sansa
Always wondered about Rodney's Death. Him and Corey H were friends...
It's Jose Menendez
They think it even lead to her death
Family said it lead to drug addiction to cope
If it cost 8 milllion to make, it only made $1 million.
Stacey wasn't in it, that's 1978 Bambi Woods. Stacey was mid to late 80s
Irrelevant minutia: I interned at RCA records, first thing i ever did in the industry was market unknown new signed band Menudo. Lots of stories about Menendez in those days... mainly the vibe of not liked and don't mess with him.
Ended up at Arista. Saw Clive sign a mediocre band simply for access to the dreamy lead singer. They bombed.
This item seems more Menendez than Geffen, but maybe someone is protecting themselves since DG is very much still around... so a little blurring of facts?
@J F..I truly laughed out loud on your comment!! LOL!!
Explorers..budget 20-25 mil. Box office made 9.9.. 🤷♀️
Exactly! I think you have solved the blind. Reading all I have just today, makes me wonder how abusive COULD have Jose Menendez been to his sons?
@joshg..Daaaaaaaaang(in my best Joe Dirt voice)! I had no idea Jose had such a history and had thought his sons were full of it. Very interesting, and repulsive, info. Thanks for sharing!
@southernman I'm from the south:)really jealous of your job.Think you are right.May need to start clean on this one.
@ginger Why? I left the building voluntarily after a few years. Which basically nobody does. I did end up discovering a hit artist on my own. Are you a natural redhead? Asking for a friend... btw, I grew up in the ATL.
I don't think it's Menendez - all the accounts seem to say that Jose & Kitty's marriage was pretty solid despite the transgressions
And according to IMDB Marty Weiss was an assistant to the producers on that movie. Certainly poses more questions than answers if this is what the blind is referring to.
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