It is hard to believe it has been this long, but the person I spoke to is in her early 40's now. She says that she thinks she is the inspiration for one of the songs written by this permanent A list singer/band. She says that when she was 13, she had sex with the lead singer of the group and he knew how old she was. She says it was consensual, but, come on, she was 13 and he was about a decade older. She does say that after the first time, when he was abusing drugs he would call her over to his place and start out nicely but then would rape her or beat her while they were having sex. She says this went on for about four months until she found out he was doing the same thing to several other teens at her school. Later when she heard one of their songs, it was almost word for word, their sexual experiences.
Axel Rose/Sweet chikd O Mine(G&R)?
ReplyDelete*Child
DeleteWell, take Your pick. Guns'n'Roses..? Aerosmith...? Kiss...? Rolling Stones...?
ReplyDeleteAerosmith/Crazy?
ReplyDeleteSTP - Sour Girl? "She was a teenage girl when she met me"
ReplyDeleteGod I hope it’s not Daryl Hall/Hall and Oates-Sarah Smile...?(eyes of a Woman and the Hair of a Child...!!)
ReplyDelete“baby Hair...with a Woman’s Eyes*...
DeleteNah, that's about Sara Allen. IIRC he also wrote Last Vegas Turnaround for her.
DeleteSo many possibilities.... I'll go with Mick Jagger, with the lyrics ton "Stray Cat Blues":
ReplyDelete"And I know you're just fifteen years old/
I can see that you're fifteen years old
No I don't want your I.D.
You look so rest-less and you're so far from home
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime
Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
Oh yeah, don'tcha scratch like that
Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
Bet your mama don't know you scream like that
I bet your mother don't know you can spit like that.
You look so weird and you're so far from home
But you don't really miss your mother
. . .
I bet your mama don't know that you scratch like that
I bet she don't know you can bite like that.
You say you got a friend, that she's wilder than you
Why don't you bring her upstairs
If she's so wild then she can join in too
It's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime"
Tricia - Too old. The girl is in her early 40's, so born in the 70's. Probably around 1975, so she would be 13 in 1988. The song is probably from the 90s.
ReplyDeleteTrue,Thx Don... thank god I love that song-always found the lyrics so beautiful
DeleteIt can't be a song released before she was born. so anything pre 70's is out.
ReplyDeleteSo figure it was around 1988 and the singer was maybe 23?
ReplyDeleteI was thinking My Michelle by Guns n Roses
ReplyDeleteNot GNR, he wrote Sweet Child O'Mine for Erin Everly
ReplyDeleteOut of curiosity I looked up Billy Idol (who would have been too old for this at that time) and holy crap, he's 62. Where *did* the time go?
ReplyDeletethis blind made me play Sweet Sixteen. total jam .I highly recommend!
DeleteJon Bon Jovi would have been 26 in 1988. Close to the "a decade older" descriptor.
ReplyDeleteI'm having trouble commenting now. I keep getting a picture verification window then a Conflicting Edits error. If the same comment from me suddenly appears numerous times, I apologize in advance...
ReplyDeleteGirls - Beastie Boys? Just a guess based on the song and that the rappers were all born mid 60s, a decade older than the girl.
Aerosmith Love in an Elevator
ReplyDeleteAnthony kiedis
ReplyDeletesorry if repeating...having trouble leaving a comment
Given the ages mentioned, this was a late eighties event. Kindasorta narrows down the likely suspects.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.google.com/search?q=dont+stand+so+close+to.me.lurics&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari
ReplyDeleteSting always said this song was inspired by Nabakovs Lolita... but he was an english teacher in his 20s I believe before he turned to music
Trent?
ReplyDeletePlease noooooooo.... i love him
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DeleteThe woman behind "My Michelle," Michelle Young, supposedly liked the song about her. According to Slash's autobiography, she cleaned up her act, moved to the Midwest, got married and raised a family. Doubt this is her.
ReplyDeleteI say "Cherry Pie" by Warrant, especially considering the line
ReplyDelete"In walks her daddy standin' six foot four
He said 'You ain't gonna swing with my daughter no more'"
Yuck.
Sting would be foreign born tho trisha
ReplyDeleteI think we can eliminate Aerosmith/Steven Tyler from this one based on the time. He would have been in his early 40s in the late 80s.
ReplyDeleteThe STP Sour Girl guess is interesting but would fit if she was younger than 40. That song came out in 2000 so the person would have been born mid/late 80s. So I don’t think that would work.
ReplyDeleteThe guess of Sting and Don’t Stand doesn’t fit either. It came out 1980 so that would put them at late 40s early 50s.
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DeleteWhen I was in 8th Grade a roadie invited me backstage to meet the band INXS. I had braces, and I looked my age, 13. I was grossed out and told the roadie how young I was. He just kind of smiled an shook his head - then mumbled smart kid.
ReplyDeleteThis can't be them as it implies the lead singer is still alive and the band is still A list, but I wanted to tell that story.
Tricia, it was recorded in 1980. Still too early to fit the timeline
ReplyDeleteThe only perm A list singers in their early 50s I can think of are Eddie Vedder and Dr Dre. (if Dre is even a singer.)
ReplyDeleteFirst thought was Trent Reznor/NIN. “I want to fuck you like an animal”
ReplyDeleteVictim is “in her early 40s now”, and was 13 at the start of the “relationship”. That would effectively be ~30 years ago, give or take, putting this incident in the late 80s. Lead singer was noted as “about a decade older” so early to mid 20s at that time. Ie he was born in 60s. Trent was born May 17, 1965.
"Only thirteen and she knows how to nasty. She's a dirty young mind."
ReplyDelete"Brown Shoes Don't Make it" 1981 Frank Zappa
By the way, doesn't matter about the dates on the songs, Bands do covers all the time.
Plus song writers find their Muse everywhere.
NO!!!!!!!! Brown Shoes Don't Make It is from the 60s!!!!! You fool! How could you even think that. It sounds nothing like 80s music.
DeleteFor some reason Vince Neil of Motley Crue keeps popping up in my head
ReplyDeleteI'm also having trouble commenting since yesterday. Now it's getting worse. WHAT'S GOING ON?? someone is hacking page again?
ReplyDeleteBTW Enty, You're such a riddler haha! You should explain what permanent A lister means, maybe this time it's also someone less known, who's not obvious.
There are maaany jailbait songs.
Is there a clue in the title? Nothing comes to my head..
1990 - Axl Rose of Guns'n Roses - Welcome to the Jungle
ReplyDeleteIt could have come out later. The blind just states "Later when she heard one of their songs"
ReplyDeleteThe sex when she was 13 occurred in the late 80's (according to the early 40's now reference). It doesn't state the song was released when she was 13.
I have to take a break. These conflicting edit errors are annoying
in their mid to early 50's:
ReplyDeleteVedder
Cornell
Slash
Hetfield
Lars
Mustaine
Bono
Roger Taylor
John Taylor
Noel Gallagher
marilyn manson "user friendly"
ReplyDeleteiron maiden "22 acacia ave"
korn "beat it alright"
nine inch nails "closer"
lords of acid "rough sex"
nickelback "figured you out"
buckcherry "crazy bitch"
stone temple pilots "sex type thing"
i know none of these songs so will let you guys figure out if one works.
Nah nothing about Closer implies underage
DeleteTrent is a very interesting guess. Based on the guesstimate timeline, Pretty Hate Machine was out around then. Maybe Sanctified for the song.
ReplyDelete@Itttt Closer is pretty generic lyrics though unless he said something similar to her.
I am not sold on the STP guess as Sex Type Thing was written by Scott and is an anti-rape song
Certainly not!!!! If it was Trent then i would've known during my nin obsessive phase
DeleteOne accuser seems to have spoken with the journalist Christopher Sandford for his book, "Kurt Cobain." I can't vouch for its accuracy but isn't it interesting how the substantive bits from say "the Lives of John Lennon" - the heroin use, the philandering - turned out to be true (as in verified by Yoko years later). At the time of its publication, there was a huge backlash. Lots of 1 star reviews for that Cobain book from fanboys on Amazon.
ReplyDeleteAnthony Kiedis is mid 50s.
ReplyDelete"Catholic School Girls Rule"
If Trent, I would go with "Something I Can Never Have" as the song. Closer was more S&M and cult.
ReplyDeleteYep it’s probably not Closer but there are literally a dozen or more hate-fuck/really dirty sex songs from Trent/NIN
ReplyDeleteI’m definitely going with Reznor/NIN. Jeeze. I’m sure I can even name the school he predated on, at least one of them
(but there were undoubtedly more).
Is trent permanent A list?
ReplyDeleteTricia, "Sarah Smile" is about Daryl Hall's longtime girlfriend, Sara Allen. They were together for nearly 30 years. She also co-wrote a lot of their songs.
ReplyDelete👍I’m a 70s soft rock fanatic lol
Deletei like the keidis guess, he has a known rep for liking them young.
ReplyDeleteAnthony Kiedis admitted dating a fourteen year old,knowing her age. "Sour Girl" is about Scott's second wife,he started dating her when she was sixteen,legal but icky.
ReplyDeleteI like Trent or Vince Neal
ReplyDeleteAll In The Name Of...
There is NO way this is Trent Reznor.
ReplyDeleteWho is permanent A list this could apply to--has to be late 80s/early 90s...
Axl Rose, though he claimed Sweet Child was about Erin Everly. Steven Tyler? He's not permanent A list, at least in my book.
Kip Winger? Kidding.
Sting? Actually, that might fit...
Kiedis fits this like a glove. Like people have said, if the woman is early 40s, this would have had to have happened late 80s. The blind also says that "he was doing the same thing to several other teens at her school," which leads me to believe that the band couldn't have been super huge and touring at the time. They were likely still getting started out in their home area. In the late 80s RHCP still hadn't hit it big yet with Blood Sugar Sex Magik (came out in '91) and would likely still have been playing clubs locally in SoCal. Then, a few years later, Blood Sugar Sex Magik comes out, which includes the bonus track "Little Miss Lover":
ReplyDeleteLittle miss lover
Where have you been in this world for so long
Well, I love a lover that feels like you
Would you like to tag along?
Well I really don't need any help little girl
But I think you could help me out anyway
Ah sack it to me
Would you believe babe I've been looking for a sole
That feels like you
For some time
Excuse me while i see
If the gypsy in me is right
If you don't mind
Well he signals me ok
So I think it's safe to say
I'm gonna make a play
Oh yeah
See me walk towards you baby
Ah give me some
Oh get into it
Hey hey little miss lover
Well now, there's so much you and me can discover
And i think we should start, hey, we should start right now, baby
Hey little miss lover
Ah little miss lover
Yeah little miss lover
Ah baby
Ah look at me baby
Little miss lover
Hey baby
Hey!
I rest my case.
Are the Chili Peppers/Kiedis and NIN/Reznor really permanent A-List? I feel that if all the names mentioned that Vedder and Axl come closest to meeting the permanent A list criteria AND of the right age. But I'm pretty new at this.
ReplyDeleteAlso guessing that the song in question might be a deep cut that not a lot of us are familiar with. So there's that.
Ted Nugent?
ReplyDelete'she says it was consensual but come on......'
ReplyDeleteenty's a lawyer. he knows no matter HOW she sees it now, or saw it at the time, a 13 year old cannot legally consent.
John Taylor and Roger Taylor of DD are 57, and so is Bono. Not early 50's. So not them. Mustaine is 56, probably not him.
ReplyDeleteKiedis is 55. Reznor 52. Axl is 55. Vince Neil is 56. Dr. Dre 52. James Hetfield is 54. Noel Gallagher is 50, is he really permanent A list?
Bon Jovi is 55 and permanent A list. I can't see this being him, but you never know.
@Buck Dancer Little Miss Lover was a Jimi Hendrix cover so not written by Kiedis.
ReplyDelete@Tricia13, at the time, everyone thought Don't Stand So Close To Me was about my Grade 12 English teacher, lol. He was such a babe.
ReplyDeleteI'm having a hard time figuring this out because there are so many songs out there, but most of them sound quite generic. I'm trying to think of a song that would sound more personal. I have Dance With Me by Lords of the New Church stuck in my head, but that's way too old for this blind. (The way I want to love you well, it could be against the law ...)
Definitely better mine than— Sr. Claude 😰🙃!!
DeletePeter Townsend = Teenage Wasteland for shits & giggles (However, he was born in 1945)
ReplyDeleteWho – Baba O'riley Lyrics
Out here in the fields
I fight for my meals
I get my back into my living.
I don't need to fight
To prove I'm right
I don't need to be forgiven.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Don't cry
Don't raise your eye
It's only teenage wasteland
Sally, take my hand
We'll travel south cross land
Put out the fire
And don't look past my shoulder.
The exodus is here
The happy ones are near
Let's get together
Before we get much older.
Teenage wasteland
It's only teenage wasteland.
Teenage wasteland
Oh, yeah
Teenage wasteland
They're all wasted!
Music ended after the 80s for me, so I don't have a clue. But to be "word for word" their experiences, it seems like the song would have to be more specific than some vague stuff about falling for a young girl. Something about how she comes over and it starts gentle and then gets rough, maybe.
ReplyDeleteAnthony Kiedis does sort of fit.
ReplyDeleteDrug abuser? Check (heroin addiction that went unabated in the 80's until he went cold turkey around 1988 after Hillel Slovak died from an overdose).
Penchant for young girls? Could fit. Anthony Kiedis, I remember, was going out with Ione Skye in the late 80's In Scar Tissue, his autobiography, he sort of indicates they were together from 1987 to 1989, starting when she was around 17 years old.
Possible songs that fit? Catholic School Girls Rule was reportedly inspired by a 14 year old girl who came back stage to a show. Many of their songs were tinged with sexual innuendo (or, like 'Party on Your Pussy', just straight up obvious).
Catholic School Girls Rule came out in 1985, when Kiedis was 23. If the event happened earlier that year (album released in August), this would be fairly close. It would but the woman in question closer to 46 years old, rather than 'early 40's', but that's not that far off.
If it's Axl, then the song is "Anything Goes":
ReplyDeleteMy way-your way
Anything goes tonight
My way-your way
Anything goes
Panties 'round your knees
With your ass in debris
Doin' dat grind
with a push and squeeze
Tied up, tied down,
up against the wall
Be my rubbermade baby
An' we can do it all
There were underage girls EVERYWHERE in Hollywood in the late 80's. There were 16, 17 year old strippers. You'd see girls who were obviously in middle school hanging around on the street, in the clubs. Doesn't make it right, but it wasn't hard for musicians to meet youngins'. Could be Brett from Poison, they all wrote songs with graphic lyrics, but I don't consider Poison perm A list. Guns, yes.
enty has referred to Anthony Kiedis as "former A list celebrity and will always be a legend" which is really no help. He is described as both former A list and always legend in the same sentence.
ReplyDeleteIf she went back for months to get beaten and raped, she must have liked it.
ReplyDelete1st time - OMG!
2nd time - maybe a coincidence
3+ - ya like it or it is worth what yer getting out of it.
Bon Jovi had a song called "Runaway".
ReplyDeleteTed Nugent- Jailbait
ReplyDeletespeaking of underage predation, has everyone noticed all the pr being put out by tippi hedren, don johnson and melanie griffith today?
ReplyDelete@Tricia13, who are among your 1970s faves?
ReplyDeleteAs for the blind, Rose and Kiedis were born in 1962, which is close enough. People are still posting guesses that were born in the 1940s, which is way off.
The part about "several other teens at her school" feels like LA to me for some reason, but that doesn't narrow it down much.
Tour dates might be important, as has been mentioned. GnR's first album came out in July 1987, and according to wikipedia, they toured extensively for 16 months thereafter.
RHCP: "In April 1989, the Chili Peppers embarked on a short tour". Their album Mother's Milk was released in August 1989. "On September 24, 1991, Blood Sugar Sex Magik was released." They toured in support of BSSM.
The events in the blind happened around 1988, plus or minus a year, two at most. The GnR tour in late 1987 and all through 1988 doesn't rule Axl Rose out entirely, but Kiedis was much more "available" during the late-1980s window.
The subject was recruiting victims from a school (not necessarily exclusively). If this is Axl Rose, it probably happened before they went on tour in the second half of 1987. After that, he probably would not have needed to recruit from a school, and it might have been difficult to keep that quiet, etc. RHCP didn't really get big until BSSM, during 1991-1992. They were active for a long time in LA and gradually built their success. The school-recruiting makes more sense to me in this context, somewhere around 1987-1989.
So, yes, Kiedis fits pretty well. It doesn't bother me that the blind refers to the singer and the band as permanent A list. RHCP have declined relentlessly since BSSM. Their work since then has been uninspired, formulaic, boring. But we can agree to disagree.
Definitely not STP's Sour Girl or Sex Type Thing. Scott might've been a druggy but he spoke out many many times about the macho type guys that would hurt women. Sour Girl is about his first wife and Sex Type Thing is a anti rape song.
ReplyDeleteI like Unknown's "Anything Goes" guess, especially because of the last bit of the blind
ReplyDelete'Later when she heard one of their songs, it was almost word for word, their sexual experiences.'
Anything Goes definitely has details
Back in the mid late 80s anthony kiedis while not nationally famous, was the hottest guy in hollywood...ha had to fight off the teenage pussy...no way he was going after 13 yr olds...no way trent reznor either...
ReplyDeleteIn light of all the publicity he's getting these days, I'm going with Gene Simmons/Kiss and "Christine Sixteen." The timing may be off, but the lyrics of the song are appropriately unsavory:
ReplyDelete"She drives me crazy, I want to give her all I've got
And she's hot every day and night, there is no doubt about it
Christine sixteen, Christine sixteen
I don't usually say things like this to girls your age
But when I saw you coming out of the school that day
That day I knew, I knew (Christine sixteen)
I've got to have you, I've got to have you
She's' been around, but she's young and clean
I've got to have her, can't live without her, whoa no"
grrr I could get this one if there was just couple more clues!
ReplyDeleteenty I can name this song in three notes.
Sting / The Police
ReplyDeletewas an English teacher before moving into music
this sounds like the person might have worked at the school since they did it to other classmates of the girl
maybe 'Don't Stand So Close To Me', though the thing is that song doesnt describe sexual experienes, it just kind of does the whole teacher/student seduction and consequences narrative.
so maybe its not him, but then again, I was born the last year of the 80s.
I am a long time music fan, touring & concerts were a big deal for acts before MTV.
ReplyDeleteI actually remember where I was when I learned about MTV, “You mean there’s a channel that plays Rock videos 24/7?” My Sorority sister lived in front of MTV, in our house’s TV room. (She planned her classes & study time for when other girls would be watching soap operas & then would camp out for hours). This was early to mid 1980’s.
The only person who I can think of that is the right age is Anthony Kiedis. The person didn’t have to be touring, he could be practicing, writing, recording & playing small shows near his home. It would be easy to call several different girls for “dates”.
Marilyn Manson - heart shaped glasses
ReplyDeleteI'm going with Jon Bon Jovi.
ReplyDeleteSin released 1989 Trent Reznor was 24 that year
ReplyDeleteLYRICS
You give me the reason, you give me control
I gave you my purity, my purity you stole
Did you think I wouldn't recognize this compromise?
Am I just too stupid to realize?
Stale incense, old sweat
And lies, lies, lies
It comes down to this
Your kiss, your fist
And your strain, it gets under my skin
Within, take in
The extent of my sin
You give me the anger, you give me the nerve
Carry out my sentence, well I get what I deserve
I'm just an effigy to be disgraced, to be defaced
Your need for me has been replaced
And if I can't have everything
Well, then just give me a taste
It comes down to this
Your kiss, your fist
And your strain it gets under my skin
Within, take in
The extent of my sin
You give me the reason, you give me control
I gave you my purity and my purity you stole
Did you think I wouldn't recognize this compromise?
Am I just too stupid to realize?
Stale incense, old sweat
And lies, lies, lies
It comes down to this
Your kiss, your fist
And your strain, it gets under my skin
Within, take in
Well, my sin, it comes down to this
Your kiss, your fist
And your strain, it gets under my skin
Within, take in
The extent of my sin
Nothing in that implies an underage girl, in fact most of Pretty Hate Machine songs were Trent being pissed off he was the one being dicked over, including Sin.
DeleteIt's NOT Trent, Enty would've mentioned his film score work seeing as he had an academy award
I think Kiedis is the right guess here but you all have missed the most obvious song of theirs that fits and it was a huge hit - Under the Bridge.
ReplyDelete"Under the bridge downtown is where I drew some blood..."
He took her virginity under a bridge in Los Angeles. This would tell her precisely that the song is about her.
If it is Kiedis, I don't think Under the Bridge is specific enough
ReplyDeleteSOLVED: David St Hubbins- Bitch School
ReplyDeleteIf it is Cobain, it kinda darkens that moment at the end of Unplugged - which played all edgy and ironic at the time - when scores of young women (and men) were shouting out "Rape Me" (to get them to play the song): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n43kwkl434
ReplyDeleteKiedis’ Line about drawing blood in Under The Bridge is about shooting heroin, not sex.
ReplyDelete"Catholic School Girls Rule" by The Red Hot Chili Peppers was written about an actual Catholic school girl who would be in her 40s now.
ReplyDeleteVery Nice And Interesting Post
ReplyDeleteحكم رائعة - حكم جميلة