Before this A list mostly movie actor died he went to rehab where he got a 16 year old girl pregnant. The family of the actor is trying to reach a settlement so that it never becomes public.
I'm probably too influenced by a previous blind which may have been about Depp and the article discussing the Viper Room (unless that's the connection Enty was going for?)
River Phoenix was not in rehab I don't believe, though he was only 23 when he died, so even if he did get a 16 yr old pregnant, while not really appropriate (or legal in some states) in terms of age, not exactly a scandal either. Plus it happened over 20 years ago.
Heath Ledger refused rehab.
I'm not sure I'd call PSH A list, no matter how great he was, but Enty may feel different, though he did go to rehab. Probably meant to be Robin Williams though, if accurate.
PSH is definitely A-list. And I think it would be more shocking if it was true (vs Robin Williams, who philandered a couple nannies-turned-wives I think), so it makes more sense that PSH's fam would want to keep this quiet
Upon further research and experience, I am almost 100% certain that a 16 year old would not be rehab with someone over 18. The type of treatment they get is different. Plus, rehabs would never risk a lawsuit for situations like this. No matter who this is about, it's false.
It said A lister who is dead. Period. Not death caused by the reason for rehab. Williams is dead. And he was in rehab for alcohol many times. And it definitely does not say "a week or day before his death" he went to rehab. The timelines here are always stretched in blinds.
So you read that correctly and dont ask what´s wrong with others.
Sadly I read it as PSH. But I would have to question why a 16 year old would be at the same facility as an adult -( in the uk 16 year olds are sometimes...sometimes put on the same wards as adults in hospital (ie after teen pregnancy) for a bit of dignity, but this doesnt sound uk )-so this is either utter utter bull**** or it is someone who died in their teens...after rehab...
Hey @it took forever, I always like your comments, but..no, on this one, ..your wrong! -you've watched "28 Days" too many times. -Rehab has no idle time & I actually would suggest educating yourself on what goes on(frankly,most people could use it) !!!
I should correct myself--- ALOT Of Sex Definately Goes On At Rehab----- BUT, There IS Much Else Going On.....just drying out in private under supervision is just ONE Example...
TRUE- They would never be on the same premises-Even at Silver Hill Rehab which handles young&old Anorexic/Bulimic patients ..AND... young &old Alcohol/DrugRehabilitation
He'd been in rehab multiple times, but I think his most recent stint before he died was about 2 years, so unless I have my facts wrong, I don't think it's him.
Not Robin Williams. He was at Hazeldine prior to his untimely death. However, from personal experience, I can tell you that there are NO teens in the program.
Williams was a recovering alcoholic and did a stint in rehab only a few months before his suicide, allegedly to deal with his ongoing depression and temptation to relapse. Williams also had 4 separate Oscars (three for "best actor") making him the textbook definition of "A-list".
So this blind certainly could be Williams.
Philip Seymour Hoffmann also had a "best actor" Oscar (plus three other nominations), which also makes him "A list". Don't know his rehab history, but perhaps he could also fit.
10th doctor: I remember reading about Williams checking into rehab shortly before his death. IIRC, he also put out a press release acknowledging the same at the time. So his recent rehab was never really a secret (ie there was an article about it in People magazine, amongst other places).
Now, its quite possible the "Im in rehab to STAY sober" story was a public relations lie to cover ongoing substance abuse and the public leaking of him entering rehab. But the stay itself wasn't a secret.
Kate: No, teenagers are typically not permitted to do rehab with adults. BUT, the facility in question may have different programs for different groups. More importantly, who says the teenager in question was a patient there? Maybe she worked there part-time, maybe she was a visitor, or maybe just related to someone who worked there, etc. Story doesn't say. . .
Which 16 y/o wants to be with Robin Williams? (Or Philip Hoffman?)
How about one with substance abuse, self-esteem, or other mental health issues? (eg like the kind that might be in a rehab facility).
A bit less cynically, you'd think that charismatic A+ Hollywood actors who have been "around the block" a bit would at least have a little "game" and know a thing or two about seduction.
The Hazelden facility outside MN where Robin Williams did his last stint in rehab absolutely *DOES* have a young adult program that takes patients from 12-25 years old, and there are both outpatient and inpatients there. There is simply no question that teenage girls (among others) do rehab there.
Now, you're right that there was no way Williams was actually in the same program as a teenage girl, and there probably were mechanisms in place to limit interactions between the older and younger patients.
But rehab isn't prison. Outpatients, by definition, come and go into the facility, and we don't know if Williams was an inpatient or outpatient. So I don't see why it would be impossible for him to interact with a teenage patient there, perhaps coming or going. . .perhaps in a semi-public place within the facility (ie a cafeteria or such). . .perhaps elsewhere.
Now, in fact Robin Williams was a recovering alcoholic (by his own admission) and was in rehab shortly before his death (by his own admission). That doesn't necessarily mean this blind is about him, but I don't think either of these things are disputable.
Williams also had Parkinson's disease, which all by itself predisposes to suicide. So does being an older adult male. . .and so does being an alcoholic. Williams also had a history of depression. IE, Williams was at extremely high risk for suicide irrespective of whether or not he also had dementia.
Its not clear that Williams had dementia (which can be associated with Parkinson's disease), but whether he did or didn't doesn't really affect the blind. IE, if he were demented, he'd probably me MORE likely to engage in sexually inappropriate behavior than if he weren't.
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I posted this comment once, but still people keep guessing Robin Williams. If Robin Williams is not a permanent A+ actor, (nevermind his comedic endeavors and TV roles) -- I don't know who is! This blind says it's an A list mostly movie actor. That's not Robin Williams!
Are you saying this blind can't be about Robin Williams because he was an "A+ list actor" and the blind specified an "A list actor"?
Not to split hairs here but Williams did dozens and dozens of movies, spend most of his professional time doing movies, and won multiple academy awards with them. Obviously, he started as a comedian, but the balance of his professional time was doing TV. . .and he did that really right until the end. IE, he was in "The Crazy Ones" on CBS through 2014.
If you think he's "A+" I wouldn't disagree, but I think the label of "A mostly movie actor" fits Williams pretty well!
I think he's A+ in every genre. The last TV show bombed, and he obviously took it very hard. In terms of rating him only as a movie actor, what A lister has these credits, awards, (and many more)?
Dead Poets Society, Good Will Hunting, Mrs. Doubtfire, Good Morning, Vietnam, Jumanji, Hook, Aladdin, Patch Adams, The Birdcage, What Dreams May Come, Awakenings, Jack, Night at the Museum, The Fisher King, The World According to Garp, One Hour Photo, Insomnia ~
He's A+ movies, comedy, and TV, so he doesn't fit the description of an A list mostly movie actor.
>>Laura: "Enty" makes a distinction between A-, A, A+ persons…ergo my comment above and below.
Fair enough. I know he does, but does he actually have published criteria for same that he uses consistently? Not that I have seen.
I fully agree with you that by any measure, Williams should be considered "A+" rather than "A". But at the same time, I think the distinction between these categories is somewhat subjective.
Some of it may just be "what have you done for me lately". IE, you're "A+" if you've had RECENT major success, you're in high demand, etc. You're merely "A" if those things may have been once true, but your "star" has faded a teensy bit (which I think would apply to Williams, despite the huge number of industry achievements you've mentioned).
Also, this is supposed to be a BLIND, so you can't give away every single detail. IE, if the given description in the blind can only really apply to one person, its really not a "blind" anymore, either in practice or (more importantly) legally speaking. So assuming the blind does refer to Williams, describing him as an "A+ film and television actor and comedian who recently did a stint in rehab and died" would pretty much give away the game.
Since Williams has done the vast majority of his acting on the big screen, has received most of his accolades for film work, and is mostly know for that, I think the description as a "mostly movie actor" is a pretty good fit.
Incidentally, Williams went into rehab nearly exactly a year ago in July 14. If he did have an affair with a teenager at that time, the baby in question would now be a few months old. . .pretty timely for legal action by the family and an associated "blind".
Fair enough points, LC. The blind was also posted the day before Robin Williams'64th birthday. As much as I admire him and his body of work, my position wasn't that I didn't think he was capable of this -- I think a lot of celebrities are (and other people who are hurting in some way). I was simply going by the "A" list rating. "Enty" posted some criteria once, but it's, shall we say. flexible, when used.
If this is in fact him, it'll be interesting to see if the Williams family can stop their feuding and handle this issue. From what I've read, Williams had gone through a fortune, and there was a lot of discord among his children and wife #(?) at the time of his death about his will. I will always adore him, nonetheless -- forever A+ in my book!
Now I think it's PSH. Some diaries were found wherein he had recently anguished over his love for two women..."“It’s stream of consciousness and difficult to follow,” one source who saw the entries told NBC News. “In one line he refers to ‘Frank who always owes money,’ and on the same page he writes about a 15-year-old girl from Texas.”
It's Daily Mail, but still...it they have diaries in his handwriting, it's likely him. Sorry, don't know how to make it "clicky"
>>As much as I admire him [Williams] and his body of work, my position wasn't that I didn't think he was capable of this
I think anyone who is psychologically "sick" enough to require a trip to rehab probably isn't operating with full judgment.
But, as you say, this is probably not Robin Williams, and I give you your "gut" was right about this! Personally, I was agnostic; I just didn't see anything in the blind that excluded Williams.
With respect to pure talent and industry accomplishment, as far as I am concerned both PSH *and* RW are/were "A+". . .but I'm not the one who wrote the blind!.
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ReplyDeleteEnty please never reveal this to be Robin Williams
ReplyDeleteOr Phillip Seymour Hoffman.
ReplyDeletenoooo please let it not be robin williams. did philip seymour hoffman go to rehab before he died?
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ReplyDeletePhilip Seymour Hoffman : /
ReplyDeleteAgree.
ReplyDeleteHeath Ledger?
ReplyDeletePaul Walker?
It has to be a recent death drugs related. Robin Williams or PSH.
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ReplyDeleteI like these guesses
ReplyDeleteWas River Phoenix ever in rehab?
ReplyDeleteI'm probably too influenced by a previous blind which may have been about Depp and the article discussing the Viper Room (unless that's the connection Enty was going for?)
Not Paul Walker.
ReplyDeleteRiver Phoenix was not in rehab I don't believe, though he was only 23 when he died, so even if he did get a 16 yr old pregnant, while not really appropriate (or legal in some states) in terms of age, not exactly a scandal either. Plus it happened over 20 years ago.
Heath Ledger refused rehab.
I'm not sure I'd call PSH A list, no matter how great he was, but Enty may feel different, though he did go to rehab. Probably meant to be Robin Williams though, if accurate.
I don't think people go to rehab for depression, but Williams may have been self-medicating. Either Williams or PSH seem the best guesses.
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There were rumors that Robin Williams had fallen off the wagon hard and did a secret rehab stint. That's my guess and it makes me sad.
ReplyDeleteDo rehabs allow underage patients and adult patients in the same facility?
ReplyDeleteNot sure who fits, but isn't Robin Williams forever A+?
ReplyDeletePhillips Seymour Hoffman
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ReplyDeletePSH is definitely A-list. And I think it would be more shocking if it was true (vs Robin Williams, who philandered a couple nannies-turned-wives I think), so it makes more sense that PSH's fam would want to keep this quiet
ReplyDeleteCorey Monteith? Glee cast member.
ReplyDeletephillip seymour, a lot of sex happens in rehab, cause its like there isnt much else to do
ReplyDeletePhillip Seymour Hoffman sure should be A list.
ReplyDeleteFirst name that popped into my mind was Paul Walker.
ReplyDeleteI have to question what 16-year-old wants to get with PSH. Or Robin Williams, for that matter (even though I totally would have).
ReplyDeleteThere was a comment in the NY papers about him being in love with a young girl he had recently met. It has to be PSH.
ReplyDeleteUpon further research and experience, I am almost 100% certain that a 16 year old would not be rehab with someone over 18. The type of treatment they get is different. Plus, rehabs would never risk a lawsuit for situations like this. No matter who this is about, it's false.
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ReplyDeleteGood God, Robin Williams died of suicide caused by DEMENTIA not drugs. What is wrong with you people?
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ReplyDeleteIt said A lister who is dead. Period. Not death caused by the reason for rehab. Williams is dead. And he was in rehab for alcohol many times. And it definitely does not say "a week or day before his death" he went to rehab. The timelines here are always stretched in blinds.
So you read that correctly and dont ask what´s wrong with others.
That was my guess too. Especially since he was younger and had a young fan base.
ReplyDeleteSadly I read it as PSH. But I would have to question why a 16 year old would be at the same facility as an adult -( in the uk 16 year olds are sometimes...sometimes put on the same wards as adults in hospital (ie after teen pregnancy) for a bit of dignity, but this doesnt sound uk )-so this is either utter utter bull**** or it is someone who died in their teens...after rehab...
ReplyDeleteYEAH-----They Do.....They Seriously Do.. I Did. @SkittleKitty--- it's a part of the 'Re-Habilitation'
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ReplyDeleteHey @it took forever, I always like your comments, but..no, on this one, ..your wrong! -you've watched "28 Days" too many times. -Rehab has no idle time & I actually would suggest educating yourself on what goes on(frankly,most people could use it) !!!
ReplyDeleteI should correct myself--- ALOT Of Sex Definately Goes On At Rehab----- BUT, There IS Much Else Going On.....just drying out in private under supervision is just ONE Example...
ReplyDeleteTRUE- They would never be on the same premises-Even at Silver Hill Rehab which handles young&old Anorexic/Bulimic patients ..AND... young &old Alcohol/DrugRehabilitation
ReplyDeleteHe'd been in rehab multiple times, but I think his most recent stint before he died was about 2 years, so unless I have my facts wrong, I don't think it's him.
ReplyDeleteNot Robin Williams. He was at Hazeldine prior to his untimely death. However, from personal experience, I can tell you that there are NO teens in the program.
ReplyDeleteWilliams was a recovering alcoholic and did a stint in rehab only a few months before his suicide, allegedly to deal with his ongoing depression and temptation to relapse. Williams also had 4 separate Oscars (three for "best actor") making him the textbook definition of "A-list".
ReplyDeleteSo this blind certainly could be Williams.
Philip Seymour Hoffmann also had a "best actor" Oscar (plus three other nominations), which also makes him "A list". Don't know his rehab history, but perhaps he could also fit.
10th doctor: I remember reading about Williams checking into rehab shortly before his death. IIRC, he also put out a press release acknowledging the same at the time. So his recent rehab was never really a secret (ie there was an article about it in People magazine, amongst other places).
ReplyDeleteNow, its quite possible the "Im in rehab to STAY sober" story was a public relations lie to cover ongoing substance abuse and the public leaking of him entering rehab. But the stay itself wasn't a secret.
Kate: No, teenagers are typically not permitted to do rehab with adults. BUT, the facility in question may have different programs for different groups. More importantly, who says the teenager in question was a patient there? Maybe she worked there part-time, maybe she was a visitor, or maybe just related to someone who worked there, etc. Story doesn't say. . .
If you would have, why wouldn't others?
ReplyDeleteWhich 16 y/o wants to be with Robin Williams? (Or Philip Hoffman?)
How about one with substance abuse, self-esteem, or other mental health issues? (eg like the kind that might be in a rehab facility).
A bit less cynically, you'd think that charismatic A+ Hollywood actors who have been "around the block" a bit would at least have a little "game" and know a thing or two about seduction.
Kate, just take a look at its website.
ReplyDeleteThe Hazelden facility outside MN where Robin Williams did his last stint in rehab absolutely *DOES* have a young adult program that takes patients from 12-25 years old, and there are both outpatient and inpatients there. There is simply no question that teenage girls (among others) do rehab there.
Now, you're right that there was no way Williams was actually in the same program as a teenage girl, and there probably were mechanisms in place to limit interactions between the older and younger patients.
But rehab isn't prison. Outpatients, by definition, come and go into the facility, and we don't know if Williams was an inpatient or outpatient. So I don't see why it would be impossible for him to interact with a teenage patient there, perhaps coming or going. . .perhaps in a semi-public place within the facility (ie a cafeteria or such). . .perhaps elsewhere.
Peter, who said drugs caused Williams' suicide?
ReplyDeleteNow, in fact Robin Williams was a recovering alcoholic (by his own admission) and was in rehab shortly before his death (by his own admission). That doesn't necessarily mean this blind is about him, but I don't think either of these things are disputable.
Williams also had Parkinson's disease, which all by itself predisposes to suicide. So does being an older adult male. . .and so does being an alcoholic. Williams also had a history of depression. IE, Williams was at extremely high risk for suicide irrespective of whether or not he also had dementia.
Its not clear that Williams had dementia (which can be associated with Parkinson's disease), but whether he did or didn't doesn't really affect the blind. IE, if he were demented, he'd probably me MORE likely to engage in sexually inappropriate behavior than if he weren't.
>>Will in MSP: However, from personal experience, I can tell you that there are NO teens in the [Hazeldine] program.
ReplyDeleteHave you told them that?
http://www.hazelden.org/web/public/alcohol_drug_rehab_youth.page
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When you consider a treatment program for your son or daughter ages 12 to 25, think of Hazelden Betty Ford Foundation. During treatment, highly-trained staff offer help in a personal and caring way.
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I posted this comment once, but still people keep guessing Robin Williams. If Robin Williams is not a permanent A+ actor, (nevermind his comedic endeavors and TV roles) -- I don't know who is! This blind says it's an A list mostly movie actor. That's not Robin Williams!
ReplyDeleteLaura, I'm not sure I follow you here.
ReplyDeleteAre you saying this blind can't be about Robin Williams because he was an "A+ list actor" and the blind specified an "A list actor"?
Not to split hairs here but Williams did dozens and dozens of movies, spend most of his professional time doing movies, and won multiple academy awards with them. Obviously, he started as a comedian, but the balance of his professional time was doing TV. . .and he did that really right until the end. IE, he was in "The Crazy Ones" on CBS through 2014.
If you think he's "A+" I wouldn't disagree, but I think the label of "A mostly movie actor" fits Williams pretty well!
I think he's A+ in every genre. The last TV show bombed, and he obviously took it very hard. In terms of rating him only as a movie actor, what A lister has these credits, awards, (and many more)?
ReplyDeleteDead Poets Society, Good Will Hunting, Mrs. Doubtfire, Good Morning, Vietnam, Jumanji, Hook, Aladdin, Patch Adams, The Birdcage, What Dreams May Come, Awakenings, Jack, Night at the Museum, The Fisher King, The World According to Garp, One Hour Photo, Insomnia ~
He's A+ movies, comedy, and TV, so he doesn't fit the description of an A list mostly movie actor.
Not sure how long you've been reading this site, but "Enty" makes a distinction between A-, A, A+ persons...ergo my comment above and below.
ReplyDelete>>Laura: "Enty" makes a distinction between A-, A, A+ persons…ergo my comment above and below.
ReplyDeleteFair enough. I know he does, but does he actually have published criteria for same that he uses consistently? Not that I have seen.
I fully agree with you that by any measure, Williams should be considered "A+" rather than "A". But at the same time, I think the distinction between these categories is somewhat subjective.
Some of it may just be "what have you done for me lately". IE, you're "A+" if you've had RECENT major success, you're in high demand, etc. You're merely "A" if those things may have been once true, but your "star" has faded a teensy bit (which I think would apply to Williams, despite the huge number of industry achievements you've mentioned).
Also, this is supposed to be a BLIND, so you can't give away every single detail. IE, if the given description in the blind can only really apply to one person, its really not a "blind" anymore, either in practice or (more importantly) legally speaking. So assuming the blind does refer to Williams, describing him as an "A+ film and television actor and comedian who recently did a stint in rehab and died" would pretty much give away the game.
Since Williams has done the vast majority of his acting on the big screen, has received most of his accolades for film work, and is mostly know for that, I think the description as a "mostly movie actor" is a pretty good fit.
Incidentally, Williams went into rehab nearly exactly a year ago in July 14. If he did have an affair with a teenager at that time, the baby in question would now be a few months old. . .pretty timely for legal action by the family and an associated "blind".
Fair enough points, LC. The blind was also posted the day before Robin Williams'64th birthday. As much as I admire him and his body of work, my position wasn't that I didn't think he was capable of this -- I think a lot of celebrities are (and other people who are hurting in some way). I was simply going by the "A" list rating. "Enty" posted some criteria once, but it's, shall we say. flexible, when used.
ReplyDeleteIf this is in fact him, it'll be interesting to see if the Williams family can stop their feuding and handle this issue. From what I've read, Williams had gone through a fortune, and there was a lot of discord among his children and wife #(?) at the time of his death about his will. I will always adore him, nonetheless -- forever A+ in my book!
Now I think it's PSH. Some diaries were found wherein he had recently anguished over his love for two women..."“It’s stream of consciousness and difficult to follow,” one source who saw the entries told NBC News. “In one line he refers to ‘Frank who always owes money,’ and on the same page he writes about a 15-year-old girl from Texas.”
ReplyDeleteIt's Daily Mail, but still...it they have diaries in his handwriting, it's likely him. Sorry, don't know how to make it "clicky"
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/philip-seymour-hoffman-diaries-reveal-tortured-soul-article-1.1609895
>>As much as I admire him [Williams] and his body of work, my position wasn't that I didn't think he was capable of this
ReplyDeleteI think anyone who is psychologically "sick" enough to require a trip to rehab probably isn't operating with full judgment.
But, as you say, this is probably not Robin Williams, and I give you your "gut" was right about this! Personally, I was agnostic; I just didn't see anything in the blind that excluded Williams.
With respect to pure talent and industry accomplishment, as far as I am concerned both PSH *and* RW are/were "A+". . .but I'm not the one who wrote the blind!.
I really enjoy the blog.Much thanks again. Cool.
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