My mother was also raised in Georgia before the civil rights movement, and we were always taught that racism and racial stereotyping was unacceptable. I don't think Paula gets a pass there. You either have basic human decency, or you don't.
I always have a feeling that Bill Maher himself might be slightly racist. Just a feeling. Even though I've seen him with black women, something just isn't right. Can't put my finger on it.
I sit right with Bill on this one. If you have to make someone go away for the use of the word 20 years ago, then let's make the people who say it in their songs today go away. Tit for tat. And let's also make all the people who ever said spic, wetback, kike, wop or any other racially unacceptable word go away too. Even if you said it in a joke, or to yourself. No one gets a pass.
Can I just say, not having a go, but as an outsider, maybe this whole issue is serving to hold up a mirror to all people, regardless of race, ethnicity, as to how we, or those around us, may need to take a good look at ourselves and the words we use against others.
Tell you what Cindy, the fact that he is still given airtime after saying "Those men were truly heroes" turns my stomach. Tit for tat indeed. Also, she was being interviewed re:2006-2009 iirc and when she worked with her brother. This wasn't 20 years ago. Even if it was, there is little to no excuse.
@Kels, I don't think just dating someone of a certain color absolves any given person of all accusations of racism. Didn't Jesse Helms have an African-American daughter?
@Kels, I don't think Strom Thurmond hated his black mistress, by all accounts it appeared she was his first love. That said, the dyanamics of micegenation are a cloudy one and though he may have cared for her and his child deeply, they were still of color and not worthy of the same rights afforded to whites.
Racial superiority does not always equal racial hatred.
yes PLEASE go after the rap community. they are horrible with their language, lack of respect for themselves and others (racial words every other line), forcing women into submission, encouraging prostitution, promoting violence, promoting drug use, idolizing wealth over everything else......... all of that, versus a racial slur. come on.
Justification and deflection. So some rappers reclaiming the word as a term of endearment vs Paula deen usin it to demean an entire group of people? No comparison! The issue isn't the n-word, it's Paula wanting black people to dress like slaves and use seprate bathrooms from white people. Even if it was about the n-word what the heck is wrong with some black people wanting to reclaim the word within their community? Do you know what it's like to be degraded and called a racial slur? Of you don't know the humiliation of being alle the n-word then you have no place using it! Do I agree with reclaimin the word? No but there's no way I'm going to get upset over people who the word targeted towards reclaiming it all because I can't use it. But again the n-word is NOT the issue! But again, I guess if you weren't targeted or if it doesn't affect you directly it's easy to glaze over the issue.
So did she say it recently? Because all I heard was she said it to her husband after she had a gun put to her head when she worked in a bank. I honestly am confused. Guess I need to read the transcript.
I'm sorry, but Ms Deen ain't old enough to use the "old person raised in the South" excuse. If she was 80 or 90, maybe, but if she said this recently, she's just stupid.
Having said that, I have a great aunt who is 96 years old; the sweetest little thing you ever saw. I have never heard her say a bad word about anybody, she was a lunch lady at an elementary school that was predominantly black, and she loved the kids, and they loved her back and she is still in touch with many of them.
But there was a certain shade of yellow that she called n*ggayalla. She had a heavy drawl and pronounced it just like that. There was a house not far from her that someone painted that color, and she called it the n*gg*yalla house. When I was little, I thought it was the name of the house. I didn't even hear the n word part, she said it like all one word.
That's the only time I ever heard her say it and it was maybe three times. She would never use it to refer to anyone and would have washed your mouth out with soap if you said it around her, but she did call that color that name.
That's the kind of thing I can excuse as being old and of a different cultural era.
Casual use of the word like that, especially by someone in Paula Deen's position, in this day and age is just staggering to me.
You aren't us. You can't see the power those words have when we speak them to each other. The feeling of walking into a room and knowing a white person can't say nigga but we can is just the ultimate power trip. I am not condoning this; I'm just explaining it. It feels like some kind of priviledge to say it when others cannot. It's one of the only things that we feel we've "taken back". Took backthe meaning and made it so that white people look like idiots when they say the word, even though the word is derogatory. There is so much history that word, its almost like a big fuck you because now it belongs to us. I'm not speaking for all black people cause a lot of us HATE the n word but I'm just sayin.
And I'm not saying this to anger anyone but just to let you know how SOME black people may view the word. Just to give a different view. I am personally indifferent to the word.
The fact that some in the African American community have co-opted the word to mean something different, like the rap community, is enough to confuse white people. Especially young white people who emulate these rappers and hip hoppers and their slang.
The gay and lesbian community decided to reclaim certain terms themselves and I am not sure anyone who used those terms would be fired or losing a TV show for the use of same since the gay community uses them to describe themselves all the time. I don't get this mentality that it is alright for "us" the persecuted toto use these words but you can't. Either they are wrong for all or none.
I mean lest we forget Kanye's hit song I Ain't Saying She's a Golddigger but she ain't dating no broke n-------
How is it confusing? If you don't know what it is like to be called the k,d,f,n or whatever word how can you reclaim the word? If you don't know how it feels to be called those things meant to humiliate and degrade you based on ignorance and prejudice how can you reclaim it? What is confusing is why people are upset because it would be frowned upon if they used it. Why do you want to use it? Why is unfair
It is not confusing to me, because I know the history behind the word. If a person is not apart of the african diaspora, why would u ever want to or even need to say the word unless it was coming from a place of hatred. And, if I need to explain it to u, then u don't need to use the word. For too long we have been told what to wear, what to do, and what not to say...so if I want to use the word amongst like-minded peeps then so be it. And u have the same right, but if someone gets offended or u catch a beat-down, that is on your stupid ass for not being more aware of your surroundings. And black people use that word sooo differently..it has different meanings and uses in our community..
You Americans are cowards. You are afraid of simple words. If you have seen "the wire", or listened to African American rap "songs" (they cannot be considered real music) or a lot of African American movies, the word "nigger" is said almost as often as "fuck". Are those black people racist? It's not like she (or whoever) said black people are violent porch monkeys or some other offensive metaphor. She just used some word derived from the one Martin Luther King Jr. used: "negro".
I love Bill Maher, and those roundtable discussions. So interesting. I think that word needs to die. If someone from the African American community wants to use it, that's on them. Just the same way as I can use the word cracker if I want to, or juera, spanish for white girl. It depends on who's using it, in what context. Just my opinion. (Ducking)
And for the dude who knocked up some black woman: A cock has no mind or eyes, any pussy is good slash if there is no responsability after boning, no matter how much you despise the rest of the individual (if you realize there is something apart from the hole and the boobs). That's how a lot of ugly women have sex with someone who depises them, but thinks with his dick for the time they are together.
If you don't like this is because you have been one of those females but don't want to recognize it.
I have never understood he argument about black people reclaiming the word....it is never used in any context other than derogatory and self-hating ones, so it still sounds awful.
"Tell you what Cindy, the fact that he is still given airtime after saying "Those men were truly heroes" turns my stomach."
That is not at all what he said. Conservative darling Dinesh D'Souza disagreed with Bush's statement calling the terrorists cowards and he called them warriors. Maher agreed with him:
"Lobbing cruise missiles from two thousand miles away. That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building. Say what you want about it. Not cowardly."
Maher in no way called them heroes. Years later on his HBO show Maher confronted D'Souza on why he didn't stick up for Maher agreeing with him and D'Souza of course lied through his teeth.
So yes, I do think he's sensitive about getting fired over statements.
I don't really care if she's fired, I don't watch her. Her show exists to sell advertising. If Food Network is going to lose advertisers if they keep her, dump her. If not, there is something to be said for making her stand there and have to make up for her week after week if she wants to keep her show - even if she doesn't believe a damn word of it.
It's not "juera" the Spanish for "white girl", it's "güera", it's Mexican/Spanish (if you say that in Europe nobody will understand you), and no one will be offended if you use it: Mexican/white people/Hispanics... aren't generally a whining race who can't stop crying. Otherwise, you Americans would be everyday sued whenever you use some ignorant bullfighter, or pathetic flamenco dancer in order to depict a Spaniard (outside half the Souther third of the Iberian Peninsula).
Well, I'm glad it makes you feel powerful to say the word in your eyes. In my eyes, it makes you sound ignorant, and I'd ask you to leave my house if you said it twice. I have no desire to say it or hear it.
But I am in sincere when I say if it makes you feel good, then say it. I just hope you a find a more graceful way to empower yourself someday.
A word is a weapon - you can use it for offense or defense. If you're using it to describe your own social group, it's a defensive move - ie, you can't hurt me with this word because I said it first myself, ha ha! If you're using it to describe another social group, you're playing offense. Don't be surprised if your lose some friends.
It's a family thing, on some level. I can complain about my family all day long, but if YOU say something nasty about my family, I'll kick your ass.
@ French Girl - what are you talking about? I heard the N word lots of times in casual conversation when I was travelling in France. Also, my friend who moved to France 12 years ago is 1/4 black - but is a green-eyed redhead - and she never admits she is part black because France is so Xenophobic. I love France - I lived there as a child - but, let's be realistic here. Racism is very much part of the everyday fabric of France. Even if the N word is not used as you claim. Just the way white people feel free to talk about non-whites... Perhaps not so much in Paris, but in Metz, Bordeaux, Toulouse... wow. Mind you, in Toulouse, the French hate everyone who isn't French & white, so perhaps that city is not a fair example.
@ Cindy - I think the issue is that no one believes Paula last used the N word 20 years ago. The lawsuit against her by the former employee alleges she uses the word all the time. Heck, look at the new tape that just surfaced of an interview two years ago where she's joking about her black friend disappearing into the black wall and she can't see him etc. Paula is an old horse who should be put to pasture.
She did talk about telling derogatory jokes, stating that most jokes are derogatory. She did NOT say she had used the term in the telling of a joke. She said other people (her brother or husband) may have. You stated that she said she uses it in jokes. No she didn't.
Like many other things in the deposition people are taking parts and blending it with other parts to make it say something it doesn't. The slaves at the wedding is another example. She didn't say she wanted waiters playing slaves.
You're not looking at the entire contest of the situation before passing judgement. BTW, I wasn't aware that bullfighting and flamenco dancers were considered derogatory and racist in Spain - this according to you when you compared non-Spaniards using these symbols to depict Spain, and Americans using the N word etc.
What i found so offensive is that this is actually who she is and what she thinks. She wants to have a plantation wedding with all black waiters???!!!! What if she saud," oh! Lets recreate the holocaust and have an orchestra of really thin people in striped jail uniforms, dirty and with arm taroos playing classical music!" C'mon, its offensice and indicates how she thinks. On the other hand, dont fire her, let people vote by not tuning in to her show. I dont watch cooking shows- id just as soon watch people clean- but her fans can decide if they like her or not.
If there is so much negativity associated with a word why reclaim it why consider it a privilege to use it when others cannot. You should want to give the word a proper burial.
Saying this as someone who has never spoken that word in my life because I do find it ugly, like the C word directed at women, some words are just ugly, unfortunately the C word is a much more commonly used swear word in the UK. Maybe women in the UK need to reclaim that one.
She said the word over 20 years ago after she was held at gunpoint in a bank robbery. That was her opinion of the asshole that did that to her. I have no problem with it.
@Princess, if that was the only time she had admitted to using that term, I don't think there would really be an issue. I think people are offended by the perceived casualness she used the word at other times, the wedding, and (guilt by association) her brother's alarming attitude towards women and minorities. Not to mention, the whole wedding thing is uncomfortable.
At the end of the day, I do feel a bit bad for her, so quickly how things can fall apart.
@Lola, I never said she used the term in association with the wedding or that she wanted slaves at her wedding, I just said that her wedding vision was uncomfortable. Which it I think it is.
Also, the use of the n-word really isn't the most bothersome issue. She runs a business with her brother and this place of business seems to be a less than stellar work environment with racial and gender hostility. To me, this is the larger concern...and I can only surmise this is another reason why Food Network chose not to renew her contract.
V, don't get me wrong...I think she is despicable for many reasons. The make a wish thing, the interviews where language aside, she is clearly bigoted, the diabetes thing, the fake sugary sweetness. Food Network should have kicked her off ages ago. But clearly she has an audience, so what do I know ?
@Lola, yes she does have an audience, but I don't think that means her actions or behavior should be untouchable. I personally think her firing was a culmination if events, the way in which the deposition release was handled being the last straw.
Additionally the whole "n-word" discussion (who can use it, how long ago, when to use, is it worse than...etc masks what I think is the real issue (specifically pertaining to Food Network).
For me personally, if someone wants to call me that word (black, white, Chinese, Cuban, whatever), do it - just know if we have a relationship, it is probably over and if we didn't, we most likely never will.
I rarely think Maher or most morning radio show hosts believe half the shit they say. I think they say it to instigate conversation more than anything.
But I liken Food TV and QVC to the same thing that happened to the Dixie Chicks 10yrs ago: sure they / she can say it, and yes it's "free speech", but yeah, there can be repercussions.
Yes, I believe in what the Chicks said / did. No I don't agree with what Deen said. The price should be the same whichever side of the coin. It can't be one way OR the others.
Blobby, despite my comments here and yesterday (and because I argue context, what was really said and moral relativism that I clearly must be racist/have skeletons in my closet which would be funny to anyone that actually knows me) I completely agree. We are free to say (virtually) whatever we like but there are often social repercussions to those freedoms. Fair or not it is the way we humans work.
I posted this on yesterday's story this morning, but I'll repost in case you're all interested: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/paula-deen-fans-defend-n-word-article-1.1380232
I am curious to see if FN rehires her.
I agree with Bill Maher. I can't believe I'm writing those words.
This is one of those conversations when I wish I could see it on the mobile app instead of just on a desktop which shows all responses in a linear format, I have no idea who is talking to whom.
Anyway, this is not about one utterance of one word. Food Network has released Ms Deen for more than that. I'm sure they've been waiting for a good excuse since the Diabetes drug endorsement debacle last year and this gave them what they needed.
Between the Facebook comments, the twitter comments and the line outside her restaurant today, I'm seeing a whole lot of #whiteprivilege these last few days. Honestly, she wanted to have a party with nothing but Black waiters because she liked the 'old fashioned plantation' look of it. Please read the whole story, read as many details about this issue as you can, and you might understand why people like me are shouting 'good riddance' every time this topic comes up. It is NOT about her use of one word, however many times she said it.
Yeah, the Food Network shoulda dumped her with that diabetes reveal. But why did they keep Ina after her Make-A-Wish Not Come True fiasco? That Network could use a therapist or something.
Bacon - Bill never said that they were "Heroes." He said they weren't cowards. We can interpret that any way we care to as to what his meaning was. But he never, ever called them "Heroes."
Transcript:
Guest Dinesh D'Souza: "Bill, there's another piece of political correctness I want to mention. And, although I think Bush has been doing a great job, one of the themes we hear constantly is that the people who did this are cowards."
Bill: "Not true."
Dinesh D'Souza: "Not true. Look at what they did. First of all, you have a whole bunch of guys who are willing to give their life. None of 'em backed out. All of them slammed themselves into pieces of concrete."
Bill: "Exactly."
Dinesh: "These are warriors. And we have to realize that the principles of our way of life are in conflict with people in the world. And so -- I mean, I'm all for understanding the sociological causes of this, but we should not blame the victim. Americans shouldn't blame themselves because other people want to bomb them."
Bill: "But also, we should -- we have been the cowards lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it's not cowardly."
Nowhere is the word "Hero" mentioned. Please don't tell me you spent 10 years believing Bill said they were "heroes." We all realize that those terrorists were no more heroes than Amanda Bynes is for getting the webbing between her eyes surgically removed.
The thing is, Maher is absolutely correct when he states that lobbing missiles from your nice, safe location 2000 miles away is cowardly, while being willing to go down in a fiery death in order to take out your perceived enemy is not. Twist and wriggle all you want, those men were horrible human beings, but they WERE warriors, not cowards. May they rot.
@lola, if you read the transcript then you mustve missed that she acknowledged her brother might've used the n-word in jokes he told at the workplace. The truth is, she is not remorseful in any way about the discrimination her employees experienced.
If you reread what I wrote that is precisely what I said she said so I didn't miss anything. You must've misread what I wrote. I was answering the misstatement that she said SHE said jokes containing n*****. She didn't.
Contextually, it is difficult to tell whether she is remorseful or not since she claims the things the plaintiff is suing for didn't happen in the matter it was claimed. Further, she didn't answer questions regarding her remorse, or lack thereof. She wasn't asked and no lawyer would allow an answer to a question like that.
Do I think she's remorseful? Most likely not; but mostly because I suspect she truly doesn't believe she is a bigot.
I think if y'all watch this video it will pretty much end any sympathy you might have left for Paula Deen. Be sure to watch to the end: Paula Deen, Disgusting Racist
I bet Anthont Bourdain is cracking the fuck up about Paula's downfall now. He's been calling her out forever. Mind you we are talkin about a woman who's " signature dish is a hamburger patty between two donuts " who knowingly was slanging her grotesque cooking fair to an already obese America, all the while dealing with Type II diabetes. She only came out with the truth of her condition when she started slinging drugs for big pharma. Now she's in trouble for being a racist? Shocker. Goodbye and good fucking riddance!!
I think Lola is right. I don't think she realizes how it comes across nowdays.
Because she probably knows people who won't associate with black people, or wouldn't hire a black person, or want their kids marrying a black person, and she knows she's not like that. She has black friends and hires black people and could probably name several black people she truly loves. So she doesn't understand how anyone could think she was racist.
I don't think she's racist in the KKK sense at all, but I think there's a sort of...I can't really think of a word, but patronizing is the closest thing I can think of. Maybe paternalstic/patriarchal, even though I know she's female!
I think she's genuinely sorry she offended people, but I think she is also surprised at how offended they are.
I must say, I was going to skip the comments part of this post... Usually the comments following posts that have to do with race usually turn personal, insulting and downright depressing. It's nice to see folks disagreeing so... Maturely. Even the most heated back and forths look pretty sane. Thank goodness.
I do not condone use of the nword or any other slurs toward others. however, I think the old standby of saying that if rappers can use the nword that all other people can use it too or that if we decide to go after people for using the nword we should start with rappers first is played out. Firstly, not all rappers are black. Secondly, the history of black people in this country is quite different from that of any other race. Thirdly, rap does not define being black in this country. Fourth, before we try to claim equality in language, why not claim equality in social justice and mere existence first? people who have no idea what it is to be black so not get the right to decide howother black people use it. Lastly, there are things you can say to and call other people with similar experiences to yours that other people cannot do. Take for example family jokes or cultural mores....I'd be more inclined to make that comparison before I play the rap card. Just a thought.
The n word didn't come from Negro......it came from the Portuguese word for black.......niger. And if you are European, please don't lecture us about race.......people in glass houses and all that merde.
Let's be clear. It's a sexual and racial harrassment case about the workplace.
Paula's own testimony: 1) allowed use of the word 'nigger' about others and allowed porn viewing 2) had no consequence for making the workplace filled with allowed hate speak and sexual innuendo and advances, and in fact: 3) she said it was normal in situations, despite staff complaints and unhappiness.
The stories of bad wedding planning is simple age ol bigotry. She can be a bigot all day, with her brother. But what she can't do, due to EEOC rules for safe work environments, is allow and create a place where folks feel unsafe, concerned, or have / feel threat or recrimination.
Sorry. Paula's case is not pretty for her business.
Food Network is the shiny-object distracting in the corner. Funny and pathetic object ("I have a Dream-sicle!") but a side-show none the less.
Don't confuse weak-excused bigotry with workplace sexual and racial harassment.
Bill Maher is entitled to his opinion. However, just because he's on TV doesn't make it Gospel.
JAY..... If I called you a dumb fuck vs. your close friend calling you a dumb fuck what would be the difference?? I can tell you if a stranger called me an asshole there would be higher consequences vs. my friend calling me an assshole in jest.
I don't understand why that's so hard for white people to grasp. Unless you just want to hav justification should you use the n word.
I dare a white person to go into a black neighborhood and call a black person a nigger. You would NEVER DO IT ... But SOME WHITE PEOPLE WILL DO IT IN AN AREA WHERE THEY FEEL THEY ARE DOMINATE AND HAVE THE PROPER BACKUP
WHEN IS THE LAST TIME THE KKK OR A RACIST ROLLED IN THE "HOOD"CALLING BLACK PEOPLE NIGGERS... They don't anymore cuz they'll get fucked up OR WORSE....PERIOD
this is an example of racist white folks venting their fustration in an controlled environment.
The person filing the lawsuit was privy to hear them use the Word nigger because she was WHITE. I doubt Paula or her brother would've called a black person a nigger to their face in these days and times. old habits die hard....
For those that think there is truly nothing wrong with what Paula said...i challenge you to go up to a random black Person in their element and environment and call them a nigger and see what happens.....I'm not responsible for what happens to you by initiating this challenge
When people offend JEWS. It's blasphemy..,but black people should get over it tho right??? GTFOH!!!
Mel Gibson offended the Jews and he is branded ANTI-SEMITIC and his career hasn't been the same since yet everyone seems to understand why the Jews werepissed even though the holocaust ended way (like20 years) before they (white people) stopped lynching castrating and burning "niggers". And some racist white folks still do it... Look at James Byrd...look at the black man in Mississipi that got lynched last year just for running for office, look at the black man that killed and ran over on his break by a group of white TEENSnot too long ago just because they wanted to beat up a black person.
BOTTOM LINE TREAT EVERYONE WITH THE RESPECT THAT YOU WANT IN RETURN.
Hopefully we can learn to get along before it gets back to the tipping point..
Lets just hug it out bitches and call it a day!! IF NOT... REMEMBER KARMA IS A BITCH TO US ALL!
The apologies on youtube sealed the deal. They came across as insincere. I don't really care if she used that word years ago. I am near her age, and altho I am not southern, I have lived in the south. I never used it. If she had come out and said yes I used it and I shouldn't have - and I am really sorry, she would be golden. But there were three long rambling defensive 'I am an old lady' missives. Go. Away.
Why is it SO HARD for black people to grasp that they aren't the only minority out there being discriminated against? Those Jews you seem to harbour a whole lot of resentment (and dare I say... prejudice *gasp*) against were being massacred by their European brethren long before black people were being discriminated against and enslaved by anyone other than their own people. Yes honey, it's true. Slavery was taking place in Africa long before the whites started stealing people from that continent. Women have been the victims of violence, degradation, and general horror since the dark ages at least. Get over yourself. Your racist little rant does nothing to further your cause. Is Paula Deen an ignorant twat? Yep. Is she racist? I think so yep. Are you any better with your prejudiced rant at white people and Jews? Nope.
"The gay and lesbian community decided to reclaim certain terms themselves and I am not sure anyone who used those terms would be fired or losing a TV show for the use of same since the gay community uses them to describe themselves all the time. I don't get this mentality that it is alright for "us" the persecuted toto use these words but you can't. Either they are wrong for all or none."
Yeah, after all the persecution we suffer, if we want to call each other fags and dykes, we fucking well will. I feel the same way about other 'minorities' who reclaim perjorative language. If that's what it takes for them to feel less hurt by those words, go for it.
I use 'fag' and 'dyke', but only with my best friend, who is a gay man. I don't use it around other LGBT people because I don't want to be offensive. I'm not offended when other LGBT people use those words, and I have a certain level of tolerance for straight people using them.
I get the arguments for saying 'nobody should use those words', but saying either everyone should or nobody should isn't fair. Minorities go through a lot of shit and as far as I'm concerned they can call themselves whatever they like if it empowers them.
My rant was only racist if you can't comprehend. And honey, don't use sarcastic condescending tones calling me honey when you speak to me, dear. Lol
I never said we were the only minority I referenced the Jews honey to show that they did endure horrors and no one expects them to not to retaliate when someone publicly offends them. But when blacks get upset y'all wish black folks would shut up and get over it. And we could get over it, if racist white people would stop doing racist shit.
Because to be honest the black community now has bigger issues to tackle than worrying about closet racism and which idiot is using the N-word today.
That's all I'm saying, honey!
Again, reading comprehension is everything darling!
So honey, I'm so sorry you didn't comprehend what I was saying but hopefully this clarifies that I am not a racist, just an asshole ....occasionally. Lol
I am a black woman and I hate the n-word. I refuse to listen to my peoples use it like everyday words. Like someone said earlier, the word needs to burried.
My mother was also raised in Georgia before the civil rights movement, and we were always taught that racism and racial stereotyping was unacceptable. I don't think Paula gets a pass there. You either have basic human decency, or you don't.
ReplyDeleteMaher's just sensitive because he knows what it's like to get fired from a show after saying something enough people found offensive.
ReplyDeleteBill also said that the 9/11 terrorists were heroes.
ReplyDeleteBetween that and having 888 on her side, Paula is in high cotton!
He didn't say they were heroes, he said they weren't cowards.
Deleteeven in France the worst racists don't use the N- word
ReplyDeletePaula is prob thinking Gawd anybody please defend me other than HIM
ReplyDeletePaula is prob thinking Gawd anybody please defend me other than HIM
ReplyDeleteI always have a feeling that Bill Maher himself might be slightly racist. Just a feeling. Even though I've seen him with black women, something just isn't right. Can't put my finger on it.
ReplyDeleteI think it's cuz he is a dick. Doesn't seem like a leap
DeleteI sit right with Bill on this one. If you have to make someone go away for the use of the word 20 years ago, then let's make the people who say it in their songs today go away. Tit for tat. And let's also make all the people who ever said spic, wetback, kike, wop or any other racially unacceptable word go away too. Even if you said it in a joke, or to yourself. No one gets a pass.
ReplyDeleteI could not agree with you more. At least she was honest about it.
DeleteCan I just say, not having a go, but as an outsider, maybe this whole issue is serving to hold up a mirror to all people, regardless of race, ethnicity, as to how we, or those around us, may need to take a good look at ourselves and the words we use against others.
Deleteracially, religiously or hell, lets do it by country too -- any of you ever make fun of Polish people? or the Newfies, for you in Canada?
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ReplyDeleteTell you what Cindy, the fact that he is still given airtime after saying "Those men were truly heroes" turns my stomach.
ReplyDeleteTit for tat indeed.
Also, she was being interviewed re:2006-2009 iirc and when she worked with her brother. This wasn't 20 years ago.
Even if it was, there is little to no excuse.
Where is Lando? He can clear this up I'm sure.
@Kels, I don't think just dating someone of a certain color absolves any given person of all accusations of racism. Didn't Jesse Helms have an African-American daughter?
ReplyDeleteOoops, I meant Strom Thurmond. I don't know how I ever could have confused him with Jesse Helms.
ReplyDeleteThat's true. It's just intriguing to me that people can have sex with people they hate. I don't get it!
Delete@Kels, I don't think Strom Thurmond hated his black mistress, by all accounts it appeared she was his first love. That said, the dyanamics of micegenation are a cloudy one and though he may have cared for her and his child deeply, they were still of color and not worthy of the same rights afforded to whites.
DeleteRacial superiority does not always equal racial hatred.
Kels, right??!!
DeleteNope, I don't make fun of Newfies or anybody else. But fun fact, nobody loves a Newfie joke more than a Newfie!
ReplyDeleteyes PLEASE go after the rap community. they are horrible with their language, lack of respect for themselves and others (racial words every other line), forcing women into submission, encouraging prostitution, promoting violence, promoting drug use, idolizing wealth over everything else......... all of that, versus a racial slur. come on.
ReplyDeleteJustification and deflection. So some rappers reclaiming the word as a term of endearment vs Paula deen usin it to demean an entire group of people? No comparison! The issue isn't the n-word, it's Paula wanting black people to dress like slaves and use seprate bathrooms from white people. Even if it was about the n-word what the heck is wrong with some black people wanting to reclaim the word within their community? Do you know what it's like to be degraded and called a racial slur? Of you don't know the humiliation of being alle the n-word then you have no place using it! Do I agree with reclaimin the word? No but there's no way I'm going to get upset over people who the word targeted towards reclaiming it all because I can't use it. But again the n-word is NOT the issue! But again, I guess if you weren't targeted or if it doesn't affect you directly it's easy to glaze over the issue.
DeleteSo did she say it recently?
ReplyDeleteBecause all I heard was she said it to her husband after she had a gun put to her head when she worked in a bank. I honestly am confused. Guess I need to read the transcript.
I'm sorry, but Ms Deen ain't old enough to use the "old person raised in the South" excuse. If she was 80 or 90, maybe, but if she said this recently, she's just stupid.
ReplyDeleteHaving said that, I have a great aunt who is 96 years old; the sweetest little thing you ever saw. I have never heard her say a bad word about anybody, she was a lunch lady at an elementary school that was predominantly black, and she loved the kids, and they loved her back and she is still in touch with many of them.
But there was a certain shade of yellow that she called n*ggayalla. She had a heavy drawl and pronounced it just like that. There was a house not far from her that someone painted that color, and she called it the n*gg*yalla house. When I was little, I thought it was the name of the house. I didn't even hear the n word part, she said it like all one word.
That's the only time I ever heard her say it and it was maybe three times. She would never use it to refer to anyone and would have washed your mouth out with soap if you said it around her, but she did call that color that name.
That's the kind of thing I can excuse as being old and of a different cultural era.
Casual use of the word like that, especially by someone in Paula Deen's position, in this day and age is just staggering to me.
You aren't us. You can't see the power those words have when we speak them to each other. The feeling of walking into a room and knowing a white person can't say nigga but we can is just the ultimate power trip. I am not condoning this; I'm just explaining it. It feels like some kind of priviledge to say it when others cannot. It's one of the only things that we feel we've "taken back". Took backthe meaning and made it so that white people look like idiots when they say the word, even though the word is derogatory. There is so much history that word, its almost like a big fuck you because now it belongs to us.
DeleteI'm not speaking for all black people cause a lot of us HATE the n word but I'm just sayin.
And I'm not saying this to anger anyone but just to let you know how SOME black people may view the word. Just to give a different view. I am personally indifferent to the word.
DeleteAnd sorry @Tammy I meant for this to go under Tina's comment!
DeleteReno, she said that she uses it in jokes, that her brother looks at porn at work (but tries to make sure no one else is in the room) etc.
ReplyDeleteIt's Bill Maher getting press out of it that pisses me off, I can't stand the guy.
The fact that some in the African American community have co-opted the word to mean something different, like the rap community, is enough to confuse white people. Especially young white people who emulate these rappers and hip hoppers and their slang.
ReplyDeleteThe gay and lesbian community decided to reclaim certain terms themselves and I am not sure anyone who used those terms would be fired or losing a TV show for the use of same since the gay community uses them to describe themselves all the time. I don't get this mentality that it is alright for "us" the persecuted toto use these words but you can't. Either they are wrong for all or none.
I mean lest we forget Kanye's hit song I Ain't Saying She's a Golddigger but she ain't dating no broke n-------
How is it confusing? If you don't know what it is like to be called the k,d,f,n or whatever word how can you reclaim the word? If you don't know how it feels to be called those things meant to humiliate and degrade you based on ignorance and prejudice how can you reclaim it? What is confusing is why people are upset because it would be frowned upon if they used it. Why do you want to use it? Why is unfair
DeleteIt is not confusing to me, because I know the history behind the word. If a person is not apart of the african diaspora, why would u ever want to or even need to say the word unless it was coming from a place of hatred. And, if I need to explain it to u, then u don't need to use the word. For too long we have been told what to wear, what to do, and what
Deletenot to say...so if I want to use the word amongst like-minded peeps then so be it.
And u have the same right, but if someone gets offended or u catch a beat-down, that is on your stupid ass for not being more aware
of your surroundings. And black people use that word sooo differently..it has different meanings and uses in our community..
@Evil Kumquat - I think you've got it!
ReplyDeleteI love Maher, but don't agree with some of his opinions, but at least he says the things I disagree with in a way I like hearing them.
No, she didn't say she uses it in jokes. I actually read the transcript.
ReplyDelete@renoblonde, you are correct. She said she used it in the eighties when she had a gun held to her head during a bank robbery.
You Americans are cowards. You are afraid of simple words. If you have seen "the wire", or listened to African American rap "songs" (they cannot be considered real music) or a lot of African American movies, the word "nigger" is said almost as often as "fuck". Are those black people racist?
ReplyDeleteIt's not like she (or whoever) said black people are violent porch monkeys or some other offensive metaphor. She just used some word derived from the one Martin Luther King Jr. used: "negro".
If black people or anyone else wants to use the n word all day long, let them. I dont and wont.
DeleteI love Bill Maher, and those roundtable discussions. So interesting. I think that word needs to die. If someone from the African American community wants to use it, that's on them. Just the same way as I can use the word cracker if I want to, or juera, spanish for white girl. It depends on who's using it, in what context. Just my opinion. (Ducking)
ReplyDeleteI meant to say, that I can use those words to describe myself, not someone else.
ReplyDeleteAnd for the dude who knocked up some black woman: A cock has no mind or eyes, any pussy is good slash if there is no responsability after boning, no matter how much you despise the rest of the individual (if you realize there is something apart from the hole and the boobs). That's how a lot of ugly women have sex with someone who depises them, but thinks with his dick for the time they are together.
ReplyDeleteIf you don't like this is because you have been one of those females but don't want to recognize it.
So you're implying that black women are ugly?
DeleteCharming...
I have never understood he argument about black people reclaiming the word....it is never used in any context other than derogatory and self-hating ones, so it still sounds awful.
ReplyDelete"Tell you what Cindy, the fact that he is still given airtime after saying "Those men were truly heroes" turns my stomach."
ReplyDeleteThat is not at all what he said. Conservative darling Dinesh D'Souza disagreed with Bush's statement calling the terrorists cowards and he called them warriors. Maher agreed with him:
"Lobbing cruise missiles from two thousand miles away. That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building. Say what you want about it. Not cowardly."
Maher in no way called them heroes. Years later on his HBO show Maher confronted D'Souza on why he didn't stick up for Maher agreeing with him and D'Souza of course lied through his teeth.
So yes, I do think he's sensitive about getting fired over statements.
I don't really care if she's fired, I don't watch her. Her show exists to sell advertising. If Food Network is going to lose advertisers if they keep her, dump her. If not, there is something to be said for making her stand there and have to make up for her week after week if she wants to keep her show - even if she doesn't believe a damn word of it.
It's not "juera" the Spanish for "white girl", it's "güera", it's Mexican/Spanish (if you say that in Europe nobody will understand you), and no one will be offended if you use it: Mexican/white people/Hispanics... aren't generally a whining race who can't stop crying. Otherwise, you Americans would be everyday sued whenever you use some ignorant bullfighter, or pathetic flamenco dancer in order to depict a Spaniard (outside half the Souther third of the Iberian Peninsula).
ReplyDeleteWell, I'm glad it makes you feel powerful to say the word in your eyes. In my eyes, it makes you sound ignorant, and I'd ask you to leave my house if you said it twice. I have no desire to say it or hear it.
ReplyDeleteBut I am in sincere when I say if it makes you feel good, then say it. I just hope you a find a more graceful way to empower yourself someday.
Kels, no worries! I get what you're saying,
ReplyDeleteI get the aspect of saying something to take the sting out of it, before anyone else can hurt you with it!
I just wish the word would go away. It sounds so ugly, regardless of who says it.
I get both sides of the argument! It's something I think about a lot lately: should I continue to ise this word? I'm not so sure.
DeleteA word is a weapon - you can use it for offense or defense. If you're using it to describe your own social group, it's a defensive move - ie, you can't hurt me with this word because I said it first myself, ha ha! If you're using it to describe another social group, you're playing offense. Don't be surprised if your lose some friends.
ReplyDeleteIt's a family thing, on some level. I can complain about my family all day long, but if YOU say something nasty about my family, I'll kick your ass.
Well said, Nutty_Flavor.
ReplyDelete@Bacon Ranch -- When has Maher ever said that the terrorists were heroes?
ReplyDeleteHere's the show that got Maher fired
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNMhNJDRnhU
Judge for yourself.
(PS Lola, you're wrong. She did talk about telling jokes. May want to reread that transcript)
I misused the word hero. He said "not cowardly" while calling America cowardly. All apologies, my mistake.
ReplyDelete@ French Girl - what are you talking about? I heard the N word lots of times in casual conversation when I was travelling in France. Also, my friend who moved to France 12 years ago is 1/4 black - but is a green-eyed redhead - and she never admits she is part black because France is so Xenophobic. I love France - I lived there as a child - but, let's be realistic here. Racism is very much part of the everyday fabric of France. Even if the N word is not used as you claim. Just the way white people feel free to talk about non-whites... Perhaps not so much in Paris, but in Metz, Bordeaux, Toulouse... wow. Mind you, in Toulouse, the French hate everyone who isn't French & white, so perhaps that city is not a fair example.
ReplyDeleteUnknown, i had a french french teacher, and he used to say jokingly, the french dont even like each other!!
Delete@ Cindy - I think the issue is that no one believes Paula last used the N word 20 years ago. The lawsuit against her by the former employee alleges she uses the word all the time. Heck, look at the new tape that just surfaced of an interview two years ago where she's joking about her black friend disappearing into the black wall and she can't see him etc. Paula is an old horse who should be put to pasture.
ReplyDeleteShe did talk about telling derogatory jokes, stating that most jokes are derogatory. She did NOT say she had used the term in the telling of a joke. She said other people (her brother or husband) may have. You stated that she said she uses it in jokes. No she didn't.
ReplyDeleteLike many other things in the deposition people are taking parts and blending it with other parts to make it say something it doesn't. The slaves at the wedding is another example. She didn't say she wanted waiters playing slaves.
At times, context is everything.
"Bill also said that the 9/11 terrorists were heroes." He agreed with a guy who said that they were not cowards. Not exactly the same.
ReplyDelete@8=====D - RememberKermitGosnell
ReplyDeleteYou're not looking at the entire contest of the situation before passing judgement. BTW, I wasn't aware that bullfighting and flamenco dancers were considered derogatory and racist in Spain - this according to you when you compared non-Spaniards using these symbols to depict Spain, and Americans using the N word etc.
*** context (not contest)
ReplyDeleteWhat i found so offensive is that this is actually who she is and what she thinks. She wants to have a plantation wedding with all black waiters???!!!! What if she saud," oh! Lets recreate the holocaust and have an orchestra of really thin people in striped jail uniforms, dirty and with arm taroos playing classical music!" C'mon, its offensice and indicates how she thinks. On the other hand, dont fire her, let people vote by not tuning in to her show. I dont watch cooking shows- id just as soon watch people clean- but her fans can decide if they like her or not.
ReplyDeleteIf there is so much negativity associated with a word why reclaim it why consider it a privilege to use it when others cannot. You should want to give the word a proper burial.
ReplyDeleteSaying this as someone who has never spoken that word in my life because I do find it ugly, like the C word directed at women, some words are just ugly, unfortunately the C word is a much more commonly used swear word in the UK. Maybe women in the UK need to reclaim that one.
I like how whenever there's a high profile white person who calls black people niggers, there's a contingent of white people who blame RAPPERS for it.
ReplyDeleteSo absurd.
I don't think it's so much blaming rappers as noting the hypocrisy.
DeleteShe said the word over 20 years ago after she was held at gunpoint in a bank robbery. That was her opinion of the asshole that did that to her. I have no problem with it.
ReplyDelete@Princess, if that was the only time she had admitted to using that term, I don't think there would really be an issue. I think people are offended by the perceived casualness she used the word at other times, the wedding, and (guilt by association) her brother's alarming attitude towards women and minorities. Not to mention, the whole wedding thing is uncomfortable.
DeleteAt the end of the day, I do feel a bit bad for her, so quickly how things can fall apart.
She didn't use it in association with the wedding thing nor did she say she wanted slaves at the wedding.
Delete@Lola, I never said she used the term in association with the wedding or that she wanted slaves at her wedding, I just said that her wedding vision was uncomfortable. Which it I think it is.
DeleteAlso, the use of the n-word really isn't the most bothersome issue. She runs a business with her brother and this place of business seems to be a less than stellar work environment with racial and gender hostility. To me, this is the larger concern...and I can only surmise this is another reason why Food Network chose not to renew her contract.
V, don't get me wrong...I think she is despicable for many reasons. The make a wish thing, the interviews where language aside, she is clearly bigoted, the diabetes thing, the fake sugary sweetness. Food Network should have kicked her off ages ago. But clearly she has an audience, so what do I know ?
Delete@Lola, yes she does have an audience, but I don't think that means her actions or behavior should be untouchable. I personally think her firing was a culmination if events, the way in which the deposition release was handled being the last straw.
DeleteAdditionally the whole "n-word" discussion (who can use it, how long ago, when to use, is it worse than...etc masks what I think is the real issue (specifically pertaining to Food Network).
For me personally, if someone wants to call me that word (black, white, Chinese, Cuban, whatever), do it - just know if we have a relationship, it is probably over and if we didn't, we most likely never will.
I rarely think Maher or most morning radio show hosts believe half the shit they say. I think they say it to instigate conversation more than anything.
ReplyDeleteBut I liken Food TV and QVC to the same thing that happened to the Dixie Chicks 10yrs ago: sure they / she can say it, and yes it's "free speech", but yeah, there can be repercussions.
Yes, I believe in what the Chicks said / did. No I don't agree with what Deen said. The price should be the same whichever side of the coin. It can't be one way OR the others.
Blobby, despite my comments here and yesterday (and because I argue context, what was really said and moral relativism that I clearly must be racist/have skeletons in my closet which would be funny to anyone that actually knows me) I completely agree. We are free to say (virtually) whatever we like but there are often social repercussions to those freedoms. Fair or not it is the way we humans work.
DeleteI posted this on yesterday's story this morning, but I'll repost in case you're all interested: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/paula-deen-fans-defend-n-word-article-1.1380232
ReplyDeleteI am curious to see if FN rehires her.
I agree with Bill Maher. I can't believe I'm writing those words.
This is one of those conversations when I wish I could see it on the mobile app instead of just on a desktop which shows all responses in a linear format, I have no idea who is talking to whom.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, this is not about one utterance of one word. Food Network has released Ms Deen for more than that. I'm sure they've been waiting for a good excuse since the Diabetes drug endorsement debacle last year and this gave them what they needed.
Between the Facebook comments, the twitter comments and the line outside her restaurant today, I'm seeing a whole lot of #whiteprivilege these last few days. Honestly, she wanted to have a party with nothing but Black waiters because she liked the 'old fashioned plantation' look of it. Please read the whole story, read as many details about this issue as you can, and you might understand why people like me are shouting 'good riddance' every time this topic comes up. It is NOT about her use of one word, however many times she said it.
@FS add "/?m=1" after the Web address and you can read the mobile site on your laptop.
DeleteYeah, the Food Network shoulda dumped her with that diabetes reveal. But why did they keep Ina after her Make-A-Wish Not Come True fiasco? That Network could use a therapist or something.
ReplyDeleteBacon - Bill never said that they were "Heroes." He said they weren't cowards. We can interpret that any way we care to as to what his meaning was. But he never, ever called them "Heroes."
ReplyDeleteTranscript:
Guest Dinesh D'Souza: "Bill, there's another piece of political correctness I want to mention. And, although I think Bush has been doing a great job, one of the themes we hear constantly is that the people who did this are cowards."
Bill: "Not true."
Dinesh D'Souza: "Not true. Look at what they did. First of all, you have a whole bunch of guys who are willing to give their life. None of 'em backed out. All of them slammed themselves into pieces of concrete."
Bill: "Exactly."
Dinesh: "These are warriors. And we have to realize that the principles of our way of life are in conflict with people in the world. And so -- I mean, I'm all for understanding the sociological causes of this, but we should not blame the victim. Americans shouldn't blame themselves because other people want to bomb them."
Bill: "But also, we should -- we have been the cowards lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it's not cowardly."
Nowhere is the word "Hero" mentioned. Please don't tell me you spent 10 years believing Bill said they were "heroes." We all realize that those terrorists were no more heroes than Amanda Bynes is for getting the webbing between her eyes surgically removed.
The thing is, Maher is absolutely correct when he states that lobbing missiles from your nice, safe location 2000 miles away is cowardly, while being willing to go down in a fiery death in order to take out your perceived enemy is not. Twist and wriggle all you want, those men were horrible human beings, but they WERE warriors, not cowards.
ReplyDeleteMay they rot.
Okay, its SMART to fight so you dont lose men or get killed, and dying because of your fanatical interpertation of religious writing us STUPID.
DeleteI think it was Ina-Garten that denied the child from the Make-A-Wish foundation. Not Paula.
ReplyDeleteI don't like Paula at all but she did meet a child from the foundation when asked.
Jason, now that you mention it, you are correct. Scratch that from my reasons to dislike her.
Delete@lola, if you read the transcript then you mustve missed that she acknowledged her brother might've used the n-word in jokes he told at the workplace. The truth is, she is not remorseful in any way about the discrimination her employees experienced.
ReplyDeleteIf you reread what I wrote that is precisely what I said she said so I didn't miss anything. You must've misread what I wrote. I was answering the misstatement that she said SHE said jokes containing n*****. She didn't.
DeleteContextually, it is difficult to tell whether she is remorseful or not since she claims the things the plaintiff is suing for didn't happen in the matter it was claimed. Further, she didn't answer questions regarding her remorse, or lack thereof. She wasn't asked and no lawyer would allow an answer to a question like that.
Do I think she's remorseful? Most likely not; but mostly because I suspect she truly doesn't believe she is a bigot.
I think if y'all watch this video it will pretty much end any sympathy you might have left for Paula Deen. Be sure to watch to the end:
ReplyDeletePaula Deen, Disgusting Racist
I bet Anthont Bourdain is cracking the fuck up about Paula's downfall now. He's been calling her out forever. Mind you we are talkin about a woman who's " signature dish is a hamburger patty between two donuts " who knowingly was slanging her grotesque cooking fair to an already obese America, all the while dealing with Type II diabetes. She only came out with the truth of her condition when she started slinging drugs for big pharma. Now she's in trouble for being a racist? Shocker. Goodbye and good fucking riddance!!
ReplyDeleteI think Lola is right. I don't think she realizes how it comes across nowdays.
ReplyDeleteBecause she probably knows people who won't associate with black people, or wouldn't hire a black person, or want their kids marrying a black person, and she knows she's not like that. She has black friends and hires black people and could probably name several black people she truly loves. So she doesn't understand how anyone could think she was racist.
I don't think she's racist in the KKK sense at all, but I think there's a sort of...I can't really think of a word, but patronizing is the closest thing I can think of. Maybe paternalstic/patriarchal, even though I know she's female!
I think she's genuinely sorry she offended people, but I think she is also surprised at how offended they are.
Watching people pretend this is some sort of outrage is comical, and pathetic.
ReplyDeleteThe word nigger is used non-stop by blacks in music, casual conversation, all day, every day.
If you're worried about what Paula Deen said 27 years ago, you have no life.
I must say, I was going to skip the comments part of this post... Usually the comments following posts that have to do with race usually turn personal, insulting and downright depressing. It's nice to see folks disagreeing so... Maturely. Even the most heated back and forths look pretty sane. Thank goodness.
ReplyDeleteI do not condone use of the nword or any other slurs toward others. however, I think the old standby of saying that if rappers can use the nword that all other people can use it too or that if we decide to go after people for using the nword we should start with rappers first is played out. Firstly, not all rappers are black. Secondly, the history of black people in this country is quite different from that of any other race. Thirdly, rap does not define being black in this country. Fourth, before we try to claim equality in language, why not claim equality in social justice and mere existence first? people who have no idea what it is to be black so not get the right to decide howother black people use it. Lastly, there are things you can say to and call other people with similar experiences to yours that other people cannot do. Take for example family jokes or cultural mores....I'd be more inclined to make that comparison before I play the rap card. Just a thought.
ReplyDelete@8=====D - RememberKermitGosnell said...
ReplyDeleteThe n word didn't come from Negro......it came from the Portuguese word for black.......niger. And if you are European, please don't lecture us about race.......people in glass houses and all that merde.
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ReplyDeleteLet's be clear. It's a sexual and racial harrassment case about the workplace.
ReplyDeletePaula's own testimony:
1) allowed use of the word 'nigger' about others and allowed porn viewing
2) had no consequence for making the workplace filled with allowed hate speak and sexual innuendo and advances, and in fact:
3) she said it was normal in situations, despite staff complaints and unhappiness.
The stories of bad wedding planning is simple age ol bigotry. She can be a bigot all day, with her brother. But what she can't do, due to EEOC rules for safe work environments, is allow and create a place where folks feel unsafe, concerned, or have / feel threat or recrimination.
Sorry. Paula's case is not pretty for her business.
Food Network is the shiny-object distracting in the corner. Funny and pathetic object ("I have a Dream-sicle!") but a side-show none the less.
Don't confuse weak-excused bigotry with workplace sexual and racial harassment.
My .25 for the day! ;)
Couldn't agree with you more!
DeleteBill Maher is entitled to his opinion. However, just because he's on TV doesn't make it Gospel.
ReplyDeleteJAY..... If I called you a dumb fuck vs. your close friend calling you a dumb fuck what would be the difference?? I can tell you if a stranger called me an asshole there would be higher consequences vs. my friend calling me an assshole in jest.
I don't understand why that's so hard for white people to grasp. Unless you just want to hav justification should you use the n word.
I dare a white person to go into a black neighborhood and call a black person a nigger. You would NEVER DO IT ... But SOME WHITE PEOPLE WILL DO IT IN AN AREA WHERE THEY FEEL THEY ARE DOMINATE AND HAVE THE PROPER BACKUP
WHEN IS THE LAST TIME THE KKK OR A RACIST ROLLED IN THE "HOOD"CALLING BLACK PEOPLE NIGGERS... They don't anymore cuz they'll get fucked up OR WORSE....PERIOD
this is an example of racist white folks venting their fustration in an controlled environment.
The person filing the lawsuit was privy to hear them use the Word nigger because she was WHITE. I doubt Paula or her brother would've called a black person a nigger to their face in these days and times. old habits die hard....
For those that think there is truly nothing wrong with what Paula said...i challenge you to go up to a random black Person in their element and environment and call them a nigger and see what happens.....I'm not responsible for what happens to you by initiating this challenge
When people offend JEWS. It's blasphemy..,but black people should get over it tho right??? GTFOH!!!
Mel Gibson offended the Jews and he is branded ANTI-SEMITIC and his career hasn't been the same since yet everyone seems to understand why the Jews werepissed even though the holocaust ended way (like20 years) before they (white people) stopped lynching castrating and burning "niggers". And some racist white folks still do it... Look at James Byrd...look at the black man in Mississipi that got lynched last year just for running for office, look at the black man that killed and ran over on his break by a group of white TEENSnot too long ago just because they wanted to beat up a black person.
BOTTOM LINE TREAT EVERYONE WITH THE RESPECT THAT YOU WANT IN RETURN.
Hopefully we can learn to get along before it gets back to the tipping point..
Lets just hug it out bitches and call it a day!!
IF NOT... REMEMBER KARMA IS A BITCH TO US ALL!
She must send this jackass some delicious cake, with mayo in it. I could hurl.
ReplyDeleteIt's nice that Bill Maher pops into someone else's news event every once in a while to remind everyone that he's still here and he's still a jackass.
ReplyDeleteLet me guess; he needs ratings?
ReplyDeleteThe apologies on youtube sealed the deal. They came across as insincere. I don't really care if she used that word years ago. I am near her age, and altho I am not southern, I have lived in the south. I never used it. If she had come out and said yes I used it and I shouldn't have - and I am really sorry, she would be golden. But there were three long rambling defensive 'I am an old lady' missives. Go. Away.
ReplyDeleteI can't stand Bill Maher.
ReplyDelete@Magnus 21 Gunz
ReplyDeleteWhy is it SO HARD for black people to grasp that they aren't the only minority out there being discriminated against? Those Jews you seem to harbour a whole lot of resentment (and dare I say... prejudice *gasp*) against were being massacred by their European brethren long before black people were being discriminated against and enslaved by anyone other than their own people. Yes honey, it's true. Slavery was taking place in Africa long before the whites started stealing people from that continent. Women have been the victims of violence, degradation, and general horror since the dark ages at least. Get over yourself.
Your racist little rant does nothing to further your cause. Is Paula Deen an ignorant twat? Yep. Is she racist? I think so yep. Are you any better with your prejudiced rant at white people and Jews? Nope.
"The gay and lesbian community decided to reclaim certain terms themselves and I am not sure anyone who used those terms would be fired or losing a TV show for the use of same since the gay community uses them to describe themselves all the time. I don't get this mentality that it is alright for "us" the persecuted toto use these words but you can't. Either they are wrong for all or none."
ReplyDeleteYeah, after all the persecution we suffer, if we want to call each other fags and dykes, we fucking well will. I feel the same way about other 'minorities' who reclaim perjorative language. If that's what it takes for them to feel less hurt by those words, go for it.
I use 'fag' and 'dyke', but only with my best friend, who is a gay man. I don't use it around other LGBT people because I don't want to be offensive. I'm not offended when other LGBT people use those words, and I have a certain level of tolerance for straight people using them.
I get the arguments for saying 'nobody should use those words', but saying either everyone should or nobody should isn't fair. Minorities go through a lot of shit and as far as I'm concerned they can call themselves whatever they like if it empowers them.
WBOTW...
ReplyDeleteMy rant was only racist if you can't comprehend. And honey, don't use sarcastic condescending tones calling me honey when you speak to me, dear. Lol
I never said we were the only minority I referenced the Jews honey to show that they did endure horrors and no one expects them to not to retaliate when someone publicly offends them. But when blacks get upset y'all wish black folks would shut up and get over it. And we could get over it, if racist white people would stop doing racist shit.
Because to be honest the black community now has bigger issues to tackle than worrying about closet racism and which idiot is using the N-word today.
That's all I'm saying, honey!
Again, reading comprehension is everything darling!
So honey, I'm so sorry you didn't comprehend what I was saying but hopefully this clarifies that I am not a racist, just an asshole ....occasionally. Lol
I am a black woman and I hate the n-word. I refuse to listen to my peoples use it like everyday words. Like someone said earlier, the word needs to burried.
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