I don't know if Ibragim Todashev was a person of interest or a suspect in the Boston marathon bombings but he had been questioned repeatedly by the FBI. Yesterday it went from questions to killing as the FBI killed the man near Universal Studios. Todashev had planned on returning to his country and stayed because the FBI had more questions for him. On Tuesday the FBI had questioned him and then went to his apartment in Orlando where they killed him. Umm, what was he doing to make them kill him? FBI agents do not usually end up killing people.
I read he went at the FBI agent with a knife. Not a wise thing to do against someone carrying a gun.
ReplyDeleteHis nose? Just too offensively large and bulbous? That can be a trigger for some people.
ReplyDeleteIf he attacked them with intentions to kill, shooting him out of self defense seems justified.
ReplyDeleteI thought the goal was to diffuse the situation. You would disable him in some way but not kill him. Why would you kill the person who could be a good source of info?
ReplyDelete@FlirtyChick: I have always wondered that too. Why do the police always shoot to kill when you can nick them on the leg to stop them. It's part of the training I presume but it seems foolish to me.
DeleteHave cop friends. Trained to shoot to kill, not wound.
DeleteTraining or not, if someone is coming out me with a knife, I'm going to aim right between their eyes. Or at their nuts.
DeleteTrained to shoot at center mass. You see a hand, you shoot at the center of the hand. You see a head or a whole body, well...
DeleteIf I'm ever shooting at (or, forced to shoot like a cop), I'm not trying to wound anybody. Imma kill yo ass! But, then you look at shoot outs where 12 magazines are unloaded and no one is hitThen, there are times when a single shot fired an someone ends up dead.
Delete@Flirty: it's not like in the movies. Things move very fast and messy. The *goal* is to not get killed.
DeleteI though it was the FBI and the Boston Police....
ReplyDeleteHis face wouldn't have been spiteful if he had cut off his nose...
ReplyDelete@Brian - that was hilarious!!! : D
DeleteIf the Enties don't believe the FBI ever kills people, then I don't believe the Enties are older than say, 13.
ReplyDeleteTying up loose ends?
ReplyDelete@Sherry - I've spoken to cops about shooting someone in the leg, etc to stop them and they're trained to shoot at the largest mass - usually the chest/abdomen. Try shooting someone in the leg who is shooting at you or attacking you. That might work in the movies, but in real life it's just about impossible. If the person IS shot in the leg or whatever, it's usually luck, not skill.
ReplyDeleteThings that happen in movies are OFTEN impossible in real life.
My guess is they wanted him dead. I haven't read any details of this so I can't accurately speculate but if someone was coming at you with a knife and you had FBI back up (possibly PD as well) you as a FBI agent should be trained well enough to shoot to disarm/disable rather than kill.
ReplyDeleteI think this had to do with the killing of that fighter guy who had the money thrown over his body. He was doing/selling drugs. I also think the dead bomber had somehing to do with that.
ReplyDeleteThe truth is that if you pull out a gun you better be prepared to shoot to kill.
ReplyDeleteIf someone has you feeling that threatened, the last thing you want to do is have them take that gun away from you.
Still, it's strange that the details aren't out there about what exactly happened. Speculation is not exactly a friend of law enforcement.
When I got my handgun I had to take a shooting course - I was told that if threatened ALWAYS aim at the chest/abdomen - it's the largest area so it's easier not to miss. And if he's being attacked at close range with a knife, do you REALLY expect someone to stop and think "gee, let's try to get this guy in the knee and possibly give him a chance to get my gun away from me". Your heart is racing, your adrenaline is pumping...even those with training have these reactions and need to protect themselves.
ReplyDeleteThis happened early this morning....the FBI is still filling out paperwork, much less have time to give a detailed story to the media. This is real life, not a TV show where everything is wrapped up in an hour.
Something aint right
ReplyDeleteThis guy is being water boarded at Gitmo as we speak.
ReplyDelete@Jojo: That's just stupid. As if they could get any water up that nose...
DeleteIt wasn't the Marathon bombings he was being questioned about. It was the triple murder elsewhere in the Boston area, some time earlier, with which Tamerlan Tsarnaev had been associated.
ReplyDeleteWhen I first read the story, I too wondered why the guy hadn't been patted down before questioning. But if the FBI went to his apartment to question him some more, and he was stupid enough to pull a knife on them, then he got exactly what he had coming.
This whole investigation is getting shadier and shadier. I'm at the point where I don't believe the police, FBI or media. They used a gun on a guy armed only with a knife? WTF?
ReplyDeleteTo paraphrase:isnt it just like a cheynian to bring a knife to a gunfight?
DeleteIf you weren't there, you can't speculate.
ReplyDelete"only with a knife"?? hothotheat, are you serious?
ReplyDeleteAs others on here have said... no matter how amazing a shot you are, in that split second that someone is coming at you, you cannot take the chance that you will miss them. It could mean your life or the life of your colleagues or an innocent member of the public. The person is coming at you, their legs and arms are probably moving... chance of hitting them there is near zero, even for a exceptional shooter.
ReplyDeleteYou shoot for the largest area. Sometimes that means they die.
That being said, this whole investigation has seemed REALLY dodgy to me. Everyone who could have spoken about what happened is dead or shot in the throat. I'm not a conspiracy theorist at all, but there are so many weird things that happened around this.
My hubby, being a solider, has told me that he is trained to 'shoot-to-kill.' Not wound them, but kill them. Doesnt matter the age or sex of the person. If someone has a gun/knife pointing at him, he will kill them!
ReplyDeletereport i read said it was two massachusetts state police and an fbi agent. said he confessed to taking part in the triple murder discussed above and was just about to sign a written statement to that effect when he attacked the police.
ReplyDeleteTamerlane Tsarnev was one suspect in regards to a triple murder. I believe the three men were acquaintances of his and also Jewish. And this guy was being questioned regarding it.
ReplyDeleteIn London, two men hit an army man with their car and then hacked him with cleavers. In the street. And were shouting out to people on the street that it was for Allah and an eye for and eye because people in their country are killed every day.
It's upsetting that people feel so unheard that they go to that level. It's also upsetting that people use religion as an excuse to murder.
Come on guys. Use your brains. Look a little deeper than just what you're told. Dead men tell no tales.
ReplyDeleteFirst time poster. I am friends with the mother of the murder victim. Frankly, I'm glad this guy is dead. He killed her son, and two others, with an ICE PICK. Then threw marijuana on the bodies and left. He got what he deserved.
ReplyDeleteIn war, fighting a civilized foe, you shoot to wound because it takes more people to carry them to help. When fighting an animal, you shoot to kill.
ReplyDeletethe whole plan was to kill him anyway...something about this whole bombing situation smell like shyt
ReplyDeleteShoot to stop is the proper term, not shoot to kill. As other's have said we are trained to aim at center mass.
ReplyDeleteAlso trained that a person with a knife can run and stab you faster than you can draw your weapon and fire in the span it takes to run 7 yards.
So we are trained you can use deadly force on someone with a knife within 7 yards.
Never bring a knife to a gun fight.
Nice shooting, FBI agent. Sorry you had to go through it.
The news reports make it sound like suicide by cop. Confession followed by lunge with a knife.
ReplyDelete@Anna Namis: That exact phrase popped in to my head when I heard about this--"Dead men tell no tales." We only have various law enforcement's word to go on, now. Another line came to mind, as well, Meryl Streep as Eleanor Shaw in The Manchurian Candidate: "The assassin always dies, baby. It's part of the national healing."
ReplyDeleteToo weary of this shit to make a decent comment.
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ReplyDeleteFirst, this guy was apparently a trained MMA fighter and has a documented history of getting violent with the general public about things like parking spaces.
ReplyDeleteSupposedly, he admitted to his part in the violent murder of 3 guys in Boston - their throats were slit - so it also sounds like he knows exactly how to do plenty of damage with a knife.
Sorry, you attack an FBI agent with a knife right after confessing to slitting 3 peoples' throats - what do you expect to happen?!
I am with @Rightgrrl, @HotHotHeat, @Anna Namis etc..
ReplyDeletethis story stinks.