At a party last month, former NFL cheerleader Elizabeth Garner followed a 12 year old boy into the bathroom and grabbed his penis and tried to remove his shorts so she could perform oral sex on her. According to
TMZ, Garner says she was drunk and had confused the 12 year old with an adult at the party even though she specifically asked the 12 year old if he had ever been with a woman. The married Garner has been charged with attempted sexual battery after the boy told his mom what happened and she called police. Garner stopped cheering for the Titans in 2009.
I have a twelve year-old son and this is horrifying to me.
ReplyDeleteAnd what did your son say when he read about this woman?
Delete@just curious - he didn't. He couldn't care less about women, especially of the adult variety. He's too busy playing Minecraft and Pokemon and planning a run for student body president.
DeleteAlso, from my perspective, that chick looks like a man, baby.
You just described my 12 year old son as well...
DeleteMinecraft??
DeleteThat's just a phase,he'll be into chicks in no time. Make sure you help hone his pimpskills early.
If I knew in high school what I know now,I prolly would've got some on prom night. All that money I spent on fuckin' rubbers. Shit pisses me off to THIS day.
If by 'pimpskills' you mean being respectful to women and treating them as equals instead of as some form of lesser creature there for his amusement then I am all over it.
DeleteNiiice Lucas. Ladies appreciate that.
DeleteNo,as in recognizing women for who they are and not what they're romanticized to be.
DeleteThis GArner chick treated this boy less than human,not her equal and a lesser creature and to satisfy her ego .
Off topic,but men always stress to daughters about what guys to avoid but never teach that lesson to our sons when it comes to females.
Every woman isn't a lady. You give a woman the same respect that you give a man: only what they deserve.
I have to say this mom is doing an excellent job. Her son came to her with a really confusing and scary experience. I hope that mine will feel as safe coming to me if necessary.
DeleteMy son is the sensitive sort, so I gave him really hard truths about the realities of the teen-young woman. He's 23, after breaking up w/ his fiancee, said, "Why did you have to be right?" Felt so badly for him. Wimen can be beasts, too.
DeleteLucas, you are awesome!!
DeleteChrist, I had to read that twice to make sure I was reading that right! WTF is wrong with this woman??
ReplyDeleteShe prolly been messed over by so called men all her life and lesbianism wasn't her thing so she found someone she could manipulate and love her 4ever.
DeleteShe's just a woman, don't judge her.
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DeleteUm, yeah... I'm pretty sure I'm going to judge a grown woman who tries to rape a 12 year old.
DeleteI frequently confuse my 12yo son with adults. All the time.
ReplyDeleteRiiiight. That's just disgusting.
Gross.
ReplyDeleteIf I was the mom of that boy, the gloves would be off.
ReplyDeleteExactly!! I would have beat her until the meat showed..THEN called the cops!!
DeleteWow what a sicko
ReplyDeleteWhat is wrong with people? I don't believe she thought he was an adult. Even if she did, that's no excuse or a valid defense.
ReplyDeletepedo's can be women too.
ReplyDeleteExactly!! If this wasa man we'd all be ready to tear him apart. She's no different. Sick sick bitch. Poor kid - hope he's ok!
DeleteCuckoo!
ReplyDeletescum
ReplyDeleteI was once a 12 year old boy. I would NEVER have told my mom if that happened to me.
ReplyDeleteI would never stop telling my friends, though.
She deserves death. Like all offending pedophiles.
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ReplyDeleteI have been drunker'n Cooter Brown, higher than gods in heaven, blitzed worse than any krieg, hauled out of a NOLA gutter begging for more, and I have NEVER mistaken a 12 year old for a grown man and tried to have sex. I'm not proud of all my behavior, though it was fun, but at least I never molested a kid and tried to blame it on dope. What is it with women Pedos? I mean, I'm all for equal rights but for the life of me, I don't find anyone under 25, remotely appealing, and not that many over. Eww. Fucking. Gross.
ReplyDeleteGross. Just gross. No way a 12-year old boy looks like a man. What a pervert.
ReplyDeleteI'm really glad the boy told on her.
Do lady pedos receive the same treatment in jail that men do?
ReplyDeleteIt makes me sick thinking about all the other times where victims didn't reveal the abuse.
I would wager heavily that she herself has been a victim of sexual abuse and/or incest at an early age and the alcohol provided the trigger.
ReplyDeleteIn no way excusing her behavior as this is reprehensible...but trying to shine light on the likely causative factors. Of course the truly sad thing is that it often causes a new branch of evil to sprout.
Lucky for her she didn't pick my 12 year old son, 'cause the police would be the least of her worries.
ReplyDeleteMy son is often mistaken for a 15 or 16 year old (he's 5'8), but NEVER for a grown man.
@CB3 - easy to say that now. When I was twelve my older brother threw a party and some of his female friends thought it would be fun to get me drunk (on Strawberry Hill - shout out to my Boone's people) and mess around with me (just making out and letting me explore their naked boobs). At the time it seemed kind of awesome, but now I realize it screwed me up. I was not emotionally ready to deal with that, or to deal with losing my virginity and becoming sexually active when I was 14. Twelve year-olds are children. It is not okay to sexualize them or push them toward sexual behaviors. They aren't equipped to process it like adults are and it WILL fuck them up royally (i.e. they will confuse sex and love for a long time, especially if they are children of divorce or abuse). So stop talking out of your ass and trying to be all 'manly'. It ain't cute.
ReplyDeleteWell said.
DeleteSorry that happened to you! And what you said earlier above - right on!
DeleteFemale pedos certainly deserve the same punishment that male pedos get.
ReplyDeleteThis post is confusing. At the start it says 12 yr old boy and then she tried to perform oral sex on HER.
ReplyDeleteJust sick whatever the case. What the hell is wrong with people?
I will offer a very small word in her defense. When I was 12, I was 6 ft 1. About 185 lbs. I could have been confused as an adult. If you didn't see my face. I looked 12. Just a giant 12 yr.So perhaps that is the case here. Of course, in my mid 40s now...and look like a giant 12 yr old.
ReplyDeleteLucas, you sound like a really nice, level-headed dude. I like that about you. Carry on.
ReplyDeleteWhat. The. Fuck?
ReplyDeleteSo glad the boy spoke up! As for the woman- she's a pig. No different punishment for her than if the sexes were reversed. If it were my child I'd kick her ass.
ReplyDeleteA big fat ewwwwwww. Kid must hv been scared to death!
ReplyDeleteWhat a vile woman, I sincerely hope they throw the book at this bitch. How dare she excuse her behaviour away via way of alcohol or drugs.
ReplyDeleteNo excuses! She deserves a full sentence and to be a registered sex offender until she dies!
High Five Lucas! You sound like a good man!
ReplyDeleteThis woman needs to be punished, and then she needs to be put in therapy. Stop making excuses and own what you did to that child.
ReplyDeleteShe deserves death? Pedo? Oh yeaaah, the trauma this kid is gonna go through, the permasmile for the rest of his life and bragging rights for years... I get most of you are parents, but come on. Yes its a double standard but thats life.
ReplyDeleteAs a male barely out of my teens, i can guarantee you he will be WAY more scarred by the ragging and teasing by the entire male population of his school he will endure for the next 10 years of his life. Ex-cheerleader. Wow. Just... Wow.
Some drunk sloppy woman 30 years older than him cornered him in a bathroom and tried to rape him. Sorry, I don't see who would brag about something that was probably terrifying to him enough to get away and tell him mom. If that happened to my kid, you'd need a shovel & a hefty bag to clean up what's left of her pathetic ass
DeleteYou know whats more terrifying? Being laughed at and called a fag for the rest of his childhood by every boy in his vicinity. And thats what will happen, trust me.
DeleteThank you Lucas, it is obvious are a wonderful father. :)
ReplyDeleteIs she related to Holly Madison? *smirk*
I like Lucas. :)
ReplyDeleteDitto!
DeleteI think lucas is in a same-sex relationship with an adopted child, cause thats the only way his reaction to that sleepover story makes any sense.
Delete@plokzy - "Funnily enough, this is what really struck me about Zappa and what I remember the most from all that was taught to us about the man: his insistence on letting things be. One’s life did not have to be shaped, and Zappa was very aware of the evils of doing so. He hated norms and status quos, and he hated being told how things had to be “properly” done regarding how to live one’s life. To Zappa, there is no mold that we must all be made from; we are not products of a cookie-cutter society. We are all different and unique individuals, and all have to live the life we want to life, mistakes and all, in order to find ourselves and fully be the developed individuals we want to be."
DeleteClearly the only way I can feel that way is if I am somehow not interested in women. Zappa would SO agree with you on that one.
Lol written for my college Zappa class. You say what they want to hear, my friend. Its about grades, not honesty.
DeleteThat being said, one hoir later and i feel bad for that comment. It was uncalled, ill admit it. And for that im sorry.
I like Lucas too :)
DeleteI see divorce in her future ..
ReplyDeleteAnd YES - she is a fucking pedo. Period.
I like Lucas too, but that's his experience. Everyone matures at different times in their lives.
ReplyDeleteSorry, but I bet most guys polled would more or less agree with CB3.
It is a double standard and it sucks but I don't think their opinions are wrong here, just honest.
She's still a stupid fuck for trying that gross shit. #jail
It's good to see a woman being treated as seriously as when a man does this for once. I hate it when people act like it's nothing but "yay, score!" when an adolescent male is assaulted by an adult female.
ReplyDeleteAs Lucas describes it so well (as usual), this is not something an adolescent boy can process. Not sex, and certainly not sex with an adult.
I'm sure that went over really well with her husband. Holy crap. We've had boys on our hockey teams who were 6' 1 and 180 at 12. We all knew THEY WERE 12! You'd never mistake them for an adult. Now that they're 17 us Hockey Mom's still feel kind of guilty when we say what handsome young men they are, nevermind grabbing them and trying anything. What an idiot.
ReplyDeleteLucas, either you are very neive or your child is challenge in his development. I was completely sexually obsessed with my fifth grade teacher age 10) and began masturbating at 11. Your son isn't only into Pokemon.
ReplyDeleteWell, if he's teased about it then that is another problem: our treatment of sexual abuse/assault victims. Hopefully his family gets him some support.
ReplyDeleteNo words for this.
ReplyDeleteWhat the hell was a 12-year-old doing in a drunk party for adults? So wrong on all levels.
ReplyDelete@plokzy, Flicknick, just curious--Maybe you guys were horny little shits who wanted to stick their dicks in anything that moved when you were 12, but sorry to tell you, not all boys are like that. Maybe he's shy. Maybe he doesn't want some older woman touching his junk. I know a couple boys in my grade when I was 12 (what is that--6th or 7th grade?) who would have freaked the hell out if some woman almost 4x their age grabbed their crotch at their mom's party.
ReplyDeleteUgh. How we were at 12 is beyond the point. How this boy or your boys are is not the issue, its the OTHER kids im talking about. And kids are fucking cruel. And with this media coverage? Forget it, its over. His manhood is in check and hes gonna hear about it forever. Fair? No. But this is todays reality. We live in a day where Amanda Todd klled herself for being mercilessly bullied or a rape victim im Steubenville is being threatened by her entire school... All i kmow is i hope his parents are ready to move and console a crying kid on a daily basis, cause i can guarantee that will happen. Stop looking at it from a moms prespective. Morals is not the issue here.
DeleteI have 2 nephews, just starting high school, and both of them would freak the hell out if this happened to them. They are polite, somewhat shy boys and even though they have both had middle school girlfriends and been around their parents' adult friends and family members all their lives (at assorted BBQ and tipsy birthday parties), they would both know that type of behavior is crazy wrong, not something to brag about.
ReplyDeleteThank you FS ( and this who understand molesting a 12 year old doesn't automatically mean a boy has instant bravado ) !!
ReplyDeleteMy ex husband was abused by his moms friend when he was 13- on a hippie bus from Portlans to San Fran. She tried to get him to have sex with her and he told me how it messed him up for a long time. And he's a big , tattooed " tough guy " - so no - don't tell most boys would dig it. I saw first hand what it's done to someone. He's almost 40 now and still holds it as one of his worst memories. And yes naysayers - the moms friend WAS attractive - as if that somehow makes it ok
- society - you scare me sometimes
Lucas, you rock. Do you have a brother, by chance? :-)
ReplyDelete@AKM - I assure you I'm the pick of the litter amongst my brothers.
DeleteWhy the hell can't adults just leave children alone???? What is so difficult about it??? There's plenty of adult males and females out there for the picking. How can these people look at little, undeveloped children and get turned on? I just don't understand the mindset. It's sick and twisted.
ReplyDeleteLook at all the teacher/minor student sexual assault cases (there seems to be a new one every day). In the vast majority of the cases a male teacher is punished much more harshly than a female teacher. Especially if the female is a white, remotely pretty female.
ReplyDeleteI'll bet she shows up in court dressed modestly and gets the minimum.
A 42-y-o guy, especially a black man, who tried the same stunt with a 12-y-o girl would be dead meat.
It's a horrible double standard.
I hope they throw the book at her. A pedophile is a pedophile no matter what gender. I'm sick of the double standard too.
ReplyDeleteWhen my son was fourteen he was at a friends house and the mom and dad came home drunk from a party. Which in itself was upsetting to me, but more upsetting to him was the mom's (about the same age as this woman) boob fell out of her dress as she was stumbling. Of course this 12 year old was freaked out. Poor kid.
ReplyDeleteLucas- You are right and bold in your initial response. Just ignore the obnoxious ones. BTW- You should know you're one of my favorite CDANers. You speak openly, you use your real picture, and everyone adores you for a reason.
ReplyDeleteI would rather have a mom who stood up for me than one who worried about being teased. Since this woman obviously cares about her son, I am sure they will get through it. Who cares what others think. Kids only tease when they think they can get a reaction. Letting you kid know you are there for them goes so much further than hiding skeletons in the closets. I think secrets do far more damage.
ReplyDeleteI have a friend who is a GP. She has to tell the police if she suspects something is going on. When her brother molested her daughter (his niece), her mother (the grandmother)wanted to cover it all up. She said no as it would be hypocritical. After the initial shock and the subsequent counseling was dealt with by all, it has become a non-issue. She has grown in to a strong young woman. She also knows she is very loved. That sort of foundation can go a long way to making good healthy choices.
Back in grade 5, I remember most boys being far too involved in their games to bother the girls.
Lucas -
ReplyDeleteYou tell a story that says you were 12 years old and didn't run away from the older girls and tell you mom. You were in that situation and did what I said that I, or any other 12 year old, would do.
"So stop talking out of your ass and trying to be all 'manly'. It ain't cute." I never made any such comment. I simply stated that I would not stopped her and went and told my mom. Just like you did not stop the older girls and go tell your mom. I never glorified or encouraged anything. You are the only person who felt the need to share their sexual experiences.
EWW.
ReplyDeleteHow could anyone mistake a 12 year old for a fully grown man???
"What the hell was a 12-year-old doing in a drunk party for adults? So wrong on all levels."
ReplyDeleteThat's my question as well. While I am glad the boy came forward and let folks know what happened, his parents should have had the wisdom TO NOT HAVE HIM IN THAT SITUATION. He's 12. Sheesh.
Errrrr Mah Gerd.....yuck.
ReplyDeleteOkay - last time I'm going to post on this.
ReplyDelete@CB3 - I acknowledged in my original post that at the time I thought it was cool. Now, 26 years later, I realize it wasn't cool. And as a parent of a boy that age I hope he doesn't find himself in that situation and if he did that he would tell someone. And by saying "I'd be telling my friends forever" you make it sound like it'd be all wonderful to have someone who is just about old enough to be your grandmother try to blow you in a bathroom. I disagree. Big difference between a couple of 16 year-old girls and someone 4 times your age.
To everyone else - thank you for your kind words. I feel very lucky to be accepted among a group of people I get so much enjoyment from.
@Lucas you sound like a man who knows his own mind and is comfortable in his own skin. There aren't many.
DeleteI agree with everything you said on this thread. Nobody should be put in an uncomfortable sexual situation whether they are male, female, young or old.
You are a great dad. You're boy is lucky to have you.
If a woman did that to one of my nephews she would be picking up her teeth with broken fingers.
ReplyDeleteSexual assault is not right, not funny and most definitely not acceptable. But it is about power. She probably thought it would be fun to intimidate a boy and in turn make her feel superior. Maybe men her own age didn't like her stumbling, drunken ass pawing them so she needed some 'reassurance'.
I hope she gets an appropriate sentence.
Odds are she won't get an appropriate sentence, sad to say.
ReplyDeleteLucas I really don't think CB3 was being anything but flippant. At least that's how I read it. A teen girl being molested would most likely be more ashamed to admit (blame society/culture/guilt etc) than a guy would. He would be more likely to brag. Sad but true
I heard an 'net rumor that TImberlake lost his virginity to a pre-BEPs Fergie back when she was still with Wild Orchild. JT was underage,but Fergie was at least 10 years older.
ReplyDeleteJust a few thoughts to add on this. If you think a teenage boy would not be scarred by this type of sexual encounter, you are definitely wrong. If this type of encounter was this boy's first experience with sex, it would leave him confused and could affect how he views or conducts his sexual relationships in the future.
ReplyDeleteAs to those who are saying she is a pedophile and should be killed, locked away forever, etc., a question to ask is whether she had ever engaged in type of behavior before. Pedophiles are defined mostly by their exclusive attraction to pre-pubescent children. If this was a one time thing, this does not excuse her behavior and she should suffer legal consequences for sexual assault. However, a better question to ask is whether she has some form of untreated or under-treated mental illness. Bipolar disorder during a manic phase can present itself through hypersexuality, lower inhibitions and poor decision-making ability. Throw in some alcohol, a few psych meds and you could have a woman who made an extremely horrible mistake, not a sexual predator. I'm not excusing her conduct, just trying to add some context to what may have happened.
Other reports said this 42 year old woman was at a party at the boy's house and saw him going to the bathroom. She followed him there and asked if he had ever been with a woman and thereby proceeded to pull down his shorts.
ReplyDeleteFunny just curious, I heard he lost it to Beyonce
ReplyDelete(As in JT hooked up with Beyonce)
ReplyDeletePedo is as pedo does. Gender shouldn't matter. She was obviously caught up in how 'pretty she is' blah blah and thought she could get away with it.
Again, glad the boy told
Lucas uhh are you my father? Because your son sounds exactly like my 12 almost 13 year old brother. The only girls my brother is interested in are Misty and Fiona from Adventure Time. Keep on keepin on, your son is very lucky to have a father like you.
ReplyDeletePriscilla was fourteen when her parents let her move in with Elvis who was almost 10 years older under the condition that she finish high school and marry her once she turn 18.
ReplyDeleteWow, this post sure took an interesting turn while I was watching NCAA basketball.
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't matter how sexually mature the guy is, or how attractive the woman is - unwanted, unexpected sexual attention can be just as damaging to a male as a female. It frightens me that some people don't get this concept.
My husband played junior hockey. In junior hockey, if you play away from home you are usually billeted with a local family. The first night he was in one such home he woke up to find the lady of the house - the mother of a teammate, no less - standing in his bedroom, wearing lingerie. You can figure out why she was there.
Needless to say that was the end of his billeting experience. He said it was one of the most terrifying and humiliating experiences of his life - this from a huge bruiser of a hockey guy who at the time had a pretty big reputation as a player with the ladies.