The second day of the bail hearing for Oscar Pistorius went even worse for the prosecution. Despite a brilliant performance on their part, their case was shattered to an extent when the investigating detective on the case testified that nothing police have turned up yet has shown this was not an accident. The detective did say he thought Oscar knew it was his girlfriend behind the bathroom door, but there was no proof. See, that is the thing. All a jury probably needs to hear is that the police aren't sure and I bet he goes free after a trial. All of these little things just keep compiling into one big pile of crap.
Enty, SA does not have a jury system.
ReplyDeleteThere will not be a jury - the case will be heard and decided by this judge and two magistrates. Known fact.
ReplyDeleteI read somewhere that one cartridge (may be wrong term, not familiar with guns at all) was found outside the bathroom and three inside.
ReplyDeleteAs everywhere else, money talks. His people have paid off the appropriate people (police, judge, etc) and he'll get off. What happened to the bloody cricket bat?
ReplyDeleteFurker should be executed..no way this was an accident..again rich and famouse get away with murder.
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ReplyDeleteOk...if I go into my apartment, and I hear something...first thing I'm thinking is oh...is my boyfriend here? He has the keys to my apartment. He comes into my apartment all the time without me there. Who automatically would think it was a burglar? First thing you do when you hear something is say "Hello?" The person usually responds with "Hey...it's me."
ReplyDeleteThis guy is a fool and a liar. If the jury is that stupid, then I'm going to rob a bank and see if I can get away with it.
I'm watching HLN as I read this and they are saying just the opposite, that the policeman at the hearing testified flat out he saw no indications of this being a case of self defense.
ReplyDeleteHow can you call no evidence of a breakin no proof? What evidence has Pistorius offered besides his affidavit that doesn't ad up:
"I fired shots at the bathroom door and shouted to Reeva to phone the police."
Since he didn't see Reeva while this was occurring, why would he assume she wasn't the person in the bathroom? It's ridiculous.
Jessi, and they "indicated" that the bullets were positioned in the door suggesting that he had put on his legs. If true, it only means he "misremembered" .
ReplyDeleteSA has some of the most corrupt cops in the world a good portion of them are holdovers from the good old days of Apartheid and can be bought off easily.
ReplyDeletewhat an absolute travesty to the family of the gf if this murderer skate$. #heartbreaking
ReplyDeleteShocked!!! In a country where women are treated like rape and kill toys? HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE!? Just kidding!
ReplyDeleteI cannot believe how many statements by the lead police officer were just made up during his testimony. Looks like they have not seen the OJ trial - you got to do everything by the book and not contaminate the scene and cover everything.
ReplyDeleteSo now we have 100% proof that the new enty lawyer is not a lawyer.
ReplyDelete@katie this is a South African case. Enty is an American lawyer so why would you think he would know SA law?
DeleteYes Katie we now know for 100% that enty is not a lawyer......in South Africa.
DeleteYes Katie we now know for 100% that enty is not a lawyer......in South Africa.
DeleteI agree with Vita19a, the crime scene was contaminated and its going to make it easier for the defense to poke holes in the case. It does look like foul play but I don't know if he will be convicted.
ReplyDeleteKatie - which proof? Curious. SA law is different than US law - no reason to assume a US lawyer would have knowledge of that justice system.
ReplyDeleteExactly @crila16!! Like whose first response is grabbing a gun and just shooting!?!!? He is so full of shit and it is so sad that the girls family will probably never see justice.
ReplyDeleteOf course he'll get off. The world is not fair. It just isn't. Also, corruption is a big deal over there, right?
ReplyDeleteMakes me sick.
oscar also says that he was keeping the steroids found in his apartment for a friend.
ReplyDeleteRight, it's always someone keeping their crap "for a friend". A homeless friend? A friend who just plum ran out of storage space in his cabinets? It is to laugh.
DeleteWhere on earth did you hear that? I have been following the case extensively and read that there were no banned substances found, the police incorrectly identified a known herbal enhancer as testosterone.
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DeleteI read the opposite. As mentioned above, there has been testimony that contradicts Pistorius: The shots were fired down suggesting he was wearing his prosthetic legs; there were casings found in the bathroom; the shots were all aimed precisely where Reeva was; neighbors saw the lights on; neighbors heard arguing leading up to the shooting; neighbors heard her screaming between shots.
ReplyDeleteThat isn't to say that he won't get off, though.
OT - any other FNL fans hear "Cucifictorious" in their heads when reading his name?
ReplyDeleteI'm weird.
Omg Prolixe, now ill never not hear that! Landry (Texas) forever!
Delete@Rex, right?! Remember the episode where he offed Tyra's rapist? I keep thinking someone should pull a Landry on this creep if he's guilty.
DeleteProlixe, I didn't hate that storyline like so many did. I loved how they set it up. Peter Berg is a magnificent storyteller. Not to go too OT (even if this story is being covered daily on this site), I will always have a soft spot for the FNL cast. And Coach Taylor - I never could decide if I wanted him as a husband or a father. Favorite tv character, eveeeeer.
DeleteAwful..
ReplyDeleteHis own words are damning. He didn't put on his legs yet "walked" back into the bedroom after the shooting? Only to put his legs on and scream out of the balcony?
ReplyDeleteThis is sickening. A beautiful life taken because a guy is crazy.
So did they test his blood yet?
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ReplyDelete@Brea, I think Katie is basing her comment on this by Enty:
ReplyDelete"All a jury probably needs to hear is that the police aren't sure and I bet he goes free after a trial."
As Agent pointed out, there is no trial by jury in South Africa. The presiding judge will decide Oscar's guilt or innocence.
If you read the facts you'd know that the police is definitely not on this guy's side. So far it's the evidence that is on Pistorius side. There is currently just a bail hearing, not a trial. The investigating officer is opposed to granting him bail bc he thinks he will try to flee (he actually said "run") - from what he said today in court I don't think he is a fan.
ReplyDeleteSo far I don't see any inconsistencies with Pistorius story. It will take hard evidence to convince me that he knew he was shooting his gf.
Whichever Enty lackey is posting these updates on Pistorius, please do some remedial research into the subject and the rule of law in South Africa. This is just plain embarrassing.
ReplyDeleteThe leaks and theories and suppositions are all over the place right now. *One* police officer is not "the" police.
@trsalka, you could only be a fan. The inconsistencies in his story are too glaring to bother enumerating, so I'll give you the Readers Digest version: It doesn't make any sense.
ReplyDeleteYesterday on Reddit some people were saying both Oscar and his brother are WIDELY KNOWN to be complete ragey assholes with gun fascinations.
ReplyDeleteBasically a total jerk who was always looking for a fight just to get into fights. Just sayin...
And of course the whole case is ridiculous, will be interesting to see how this goes.
If the person who wrote this is really a lawyer, I would imagine he'd investigate the facts and how the S. African system works before posting? I mean, all the lawyers I know would do that. Mostly because they hate to be wrong...
ReplyDeleteIt's funny to me that in the press celebrities are automatically guilty until proven innocent. And even when proven innocent, they are still guilty in the press and in people's minds.
ReplyDeleteIf you want a better of what happened at the bail hearing today, here is a much better recap: http://deadspin.com/5985589/a-strong-day-for-oscar-pistoriuss-defense-as-lead-investigator-struggles-under-cross+examination
ReplyDeleteSorry for not linking...posting via my phone. For those who want more robust case info, go to deadspin.com, they've had pretty comprehensive coverage since the story broke.
Thanks for the link V. Interesting information here.
ReplyDeleteCould it be possible things happened the way he claims? There was no indication of any problems or issues between him and his slain gf, becos I'm sure if there was her family and friends would have been saying so. As Cindy said asked earlier, why are celebrities branded guilty before facts are all out and when found innocent, there are talks of bribery or the person getting away. It doesn't make sense in my opinion he would kill her on purpose thereby ending her life and destroying his in the process. He might have been a douchebag, trouble maker, womaniser, but still doesn't translate to being a cold blooded murderer. I will rather wait till all the evidences have been presented before making judgement.
ReplyDeleteSlightly OT, but has anyone come up with a motive yet? Did I hear correctly that she had a text from an ex or something like that, and it set him off?
ReplyDeleteOther than he was a jerk, I do have some questions about what happened. Duh, everyone does, but for example, the 'witness' who saw the light on, heard them arguing and heard the shots didn't call the police? WHY would he have done it? He seems to be a douche, and an arrogant prick, but it doesn't sound like he was prone to violent outbursts.
I' not defending him, but boy, this story just doesn't add up for me.
Side note: over the weekend I was in the basement doing laundry. There is a back room around the corner and the only way to get past it is to go by me. Of course, I heard a noise and grabbed the ax handle that sits by the laundry tub (weird place, maybe, but I use it to reach things on the shelves because I'm short). I took the ax handle and tiptoed around the corner ready to smack the shit out of whatever was making that noise, and my husband was back there going through a box of stuff. My point is that I really thought NO ONE could get past me without me hearing them! NO WAY could it have been my husband, I'd have seen him! But it was, and I didn't.
What if his story IS true?!
The police are certainly not on his side, all you have to is read either a summary of today's hearing or if you have time read the Telegraphs report(it's quite good) of what occurred based on a reporter who was in the courtroom.
ReplyDeleteThat being said, I think the Prosecution is terrible. It's like they've never practiced law before and they didn't prep Botha, the Police Chief.
I actually think he will get off, even though I think he's guilty, I mean he was on the balcony when he thought he heard intruders and he had to go past the bedroom to get to the bathroom, not once where Reeva was, he screamed at the intruders and then he shot.
Long story short, he will get off because the Prosecution just don't seem to be good at their job.
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ReplyDelete@Silly Girl, no real motive but he does have a history of a violent and abusive temper, and police reportedly found evidence of heavy drinking that night.
ReplyDelete@Cindy - I think kinda everyone is. Like Richard Jewel, for instance.
ReplyDeleteAnd re Enty's lawyerness - I'm an attorney, and I wouldn't have researched the jury/judge thing before making a statement like Enty did. I don't think this proves he's not a lawyer.
As I've stated before, I think a lot of OTHER things prove he's some type of transactional attorney, and lot a litigator. This is not one of them.
@Staple, Enty has researched and reported on this story for three consecutive days now. Not saying that proves anything, but it's curious that what I learned on Day 1 has escaped his notice all week.
ReplyDeleteOne question: Why did she feel she needed to lock the bathroom door?
ReplyDeleteIf anyone's interested, news24.com in SA posts daily recaps and has a twitter feed for the journalists in the courtroom:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/LIVE-UPDATES-Pistorius-in-court-day-2-20130220
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/LIVE-TWEETS-Oscar-in-court-20130219-2
His story is so farfetched. If she was spending the night, how would he not realize she was no longer in bed with him? Who shoots through a locked door instead of calling the police when then don't know who's in the bathroom? Why would an intruder go to the bathroom? Sounds like something a guest would do. If you hear a noise, why not put your prosthetic on before confronting what you perceive to be an intruder?
ReplyDeleteNow I know you people are idiots.
ReplyDelete@caralw, that is the central problem with his explanation. He doesn't hear anything to indicate a break-in because there wasn't one, and knows Reeva is in the room with him but doesn't stop to think that could be her in the bathroom. It's a load of crap.
ReplyDelete@joop, and what does that make someone who drops a stink bomb from behind an anonymous monitor screen without explanation and runs away?
Thanks, @joop! That explains a lot.
ReplyDeletelmao.. purrrfect!
ReplyDeleteHey! Hey guys! This tots shows that enty lawyer is fake! We have all been fooled into reading garbage! ;)
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ReplyDeleteI am obsessed with this case! It sounds so absurd, but then i think, can you imagine if it is true! I also don't live in the most dangerous city in SA, so there's that. I just don't know how this one is going to turn out....
ReplyDeleteEven if the story is as he's told it, he should be considered guilty. You don't start shooting blindly through a door without being sure there's an intruder on the other side.
ReplyDeleteAnd even then, that's a huge undertaking. I'm not sure I could actually shoot a person, even if I was in imminent danger. This guy didn't have any problem with it at all, he did the "shoot first, ask questions later" way. You don't take a life unless you are absolutely sure.
Actually, I can see how there might not be any evidence that proves he knew she wasn't a burglar. They might not have had to pay off the police.
ReplyDelete- He strapped on his prosthetics, he could have used that time to notice his gf wasn't in bed and called for her/asked who was there.
Yes, that is reasonable. He can argue, though, that he DID call out and got no response. He HAD to put on his prosthetics to investigate. He called her name again outside the door/asked who was there and got no reply. There are no witnesses to disprove his statement.
- Shells were found inside and outside the bathroom door.
The first shot would have blasted a hole in the door and the first shell would have probably fallen outside the door. However, once that hole was in there it's possible that the other shells flew into the bathroom. They could have wound up there even if he stayed outside the whole time.
- Blood spatter
Since he isn't disputing that he shot before he opened the door, the blood spatter should back that story up. If he was inside the bathroom at the time, or beat her with the cricket bat hard enough to make her bleed or even kill her, then there would be blood spatter to support that somewhere.
- The cricket bat
Again, the blood spatter could potentially help with this. The autopsy will be the most telling, though. They will be able to work out if she was beaten before being shot, and what she was beaten with. I've heard some theories she was dead before he even shot her and if that's the case the autopsy will be able to prove the gunshot wounds were inflicted after death.
But, if they don't have an expert in blood spatter, if the crime scene was contaminated, if the autopsy report is inconclusive, there is really nothing to disprove his version of events.
Only the forensic evidence can disprove his claim. I have no idea how good South African specialists are, I just hope that they are impartial and skilled at their jobs.
If I wake up in the middle of the night & my husband isn't there... If I wake up and he isn't there and the bathroom door is locked... If the bathroom door is locked and I call to him and there is no answer... My logical conclusion is NOT EVER to riddle the bathroom door with bullets. Ever. I mean, what's the reasoning?? Are you a Chris Brown fan, by any chance?
Deletedon't know a lot about this, but i read that he claimed not to have his legs on when this all happened. if they run the ballistics, and they don't show the bullets passed threw the door at the height he would be w/o his legs; he's a liar.
ReplyDeleteThe thing that really blows my mind is, apparently, his girlfriend's body was cremated. How on earth do you allow a body in a murder case to be cremated? I would think you would want to hold it for evidence for some reasonable period of time, in case there are any doubts at all about the autopsy.
ReplyDeletePlease everyone check the facts, wherever you are getting them is not exactly accurate. Someone mentioned News24, here is the link: http://www.news24.com/ but more accurate info and updates can be found at http://ewn.co.za/, the EWN Twitter feed is also brilliant. Guilty or not, the system says he is presumed innocent until found guilty. If he killed her on purpose, I hope he burns in hell. But if he killed her by accident, won't it be nice if you didn't condemn him already? Especially based on BS "facts" made up/speculated upon by irresponsible and sensatioinalist "media"???
ReplyDeleteIf anyone wants a crash course in the South African legal system as it concerns this case, check out http://www.southafrica.info/news/legal-200213.htm *cough* Enty? *cough*
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ReplyDeleteThere's only so much information to be gleaned from an autopsy. After that the body is of no use to the investigation. If no autopsy is ordered, again, they can't hold the body. I have no idea what the laws are in SA but in the US and where I live all firearm fatalities must be investigated and autopsies performed. I read somewhere he declined an autopsy but I don't see how he had the authority to do that since their relationship was new and it was doubtful he was her next of kin, and he's the only suspect in the investigation of her death so it's a conflict of interest.