The normal procedure in Indonesia for death penalty cases or any cases that have been ruled on is for their to be an appeal which can take years. Yeah, so kind of like the US. The thing is, as British grandmother, Lindsay Sandiford is finding out, you have to be able to pay someone to handle the appeals. She has no money and only two weeks left to file an appeal. The British government is not willing to pay and she has no funds of her own. If no one comes to help her or pay for her to hire an attorney, then no appeal will be filed and after the two week period is over she can be executed by firing squad at any point after the two weeks. No dates are given and the subject is never told when their time has come. Someone comes to get them and they are driven away from the prison and executed. Lindsay was convicted of attempting to smuggle $2.5M worth of coke into the country in her suitcase. The man behind the smuggling and the man who was supposed to get the drugs got a six year sentence. Apparently he had a good lawyer.
I wish this were a different Lindsay.
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DeleteThis brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "don't shoot the messenger!" Badum-Ching!
ReplyDeleteDamn it, FSP!!!!! You beat me!! ;(
ReplyDeleteFSP I second that. Maybe not death, but an eternity in an Indonesian jail.
ReplyDeleteYou can't try and smuggle $2.5M worth of drugs into a country and not expect to get punished. But death penalty is extreme and cruel. Save your resources for the people who actually deserve it, like oh, say the serial killers and child rapists. But that would be extreme now, wouldn't it?
If executions are carried out in the manner stated in Enty's post...not sure how I feel about that. I think it would drive me insane to know that on *this date at this time* I was going to be executed, so Indonesia's way of doing things might be better for my anxious little heart?
ReplyDeleteBut then you live each day wondering. I'd rather know the day - I'm not sure you can mentally prepare for that, especially in an Indonesian prison, but still, beats wondering when it will happen...
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ReplyDeleteYou'd think the British embassy would step in on behalf of one of their citizens.
ReplyDeleteWhy? She knew the rules.Grandmother or no grandmother.Some countries have strict drugs than ours...which is why they don't have a lotta problems with dope users/dealers like we do.
DeleteShe was a dealer.
Wonder if this story is an issue because she's a WW in a country full of Brown people.
DeleteA death sentence for drug offences is ridiculous, in my opinion. With the high rate of tax she's likely paid all her life, it's a shame they can't spare her a lawyer for her appeals.
ReplyDeleteSaid before, will say again: Death for drug offenses is RIDICULOUS but the idea that people still go to the SE Asian countries and risk this shit - knowing how severe the penalties are - blows my mind.
ReplyDeleteI hate to sound harsh, but this woman really should have known better than to smuggle anything into Indonesia.
ReplyDeletewhat Maximus said
ReplyDeleteYup, what Maximus said. Watch a few Locked Up Abroads - they'll scare you straight.
ReplyDeleteI agree it is extreme, especially in a country where exploitation of children for Western sex tourists/pedos is prevalent.
ReplyDeleteHollywood exploits child for sex and pedos to everyone including foreigners (Polanski,Page)
DeleteWouldn't it suck to sit around on death row for years and years, knowing you're 99.9% likely going to be executed anyway? I'd just want to get it over with rather than wondering if this week is going to be the week I die.
ReplyDeleteI'm surprised those religious groups that oppose the death penalty aren't helping her. They fight for pedophile and child murderers, you'd think they'd be willing to help out a granny who smuggled drugs.
ReplyDeleteOh well, that is what you get for breaking the law. She knew what she was doing when she agreed to carry the drugs. It is her own fault.
ReplyDeleteWait a minute. I went a read even more about the case. I didn't realize that after being arrested she was part of a sting to get the real dealer and then was thrown under the bus. Fuck that. Disregard my prior statement. I still think she needs a prison sentence for breaking the law (especially since she had done it previously and I don't believe her thugs story), but helping catch the real bad guys should count for something. Sorry for jumping to conclusions with partial information.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry but you smuggle $2.5M in coke into a country with a known death penalty you're bringing it on yourself. Not sure wherewhy this woman is from, but ifI she wasdidn't foreign and had committed a death penalty level offense in the US everyone would be calling for her execution. Same with the guy from Midnight Express: he spent years smuggling drugs and when he finally got busted he cried unfair. He even escaped prison for crying out loud!!
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ReplyDeleteI guess it could be, but most grandmas exercise better judgment than this.
Yep,but she's killing off someone else's grandbabbies.
DeleteTo hell with her.Make an example outta her like Turkey did 'ol boy who was smuggling heroin.
Lurk often and just starting to post often-realized I'd never introduced myself. Hi guys!
ReplyDeleteNow for grandmama. Death for drug crimes is ridiculous but really lady? The few times I've traveled abroad I don't bring an aspirin with me. I'm terrified. I once had the bomb sniffing dogs brought out to sniff my carry on because my drivers license still had my married name on it and I was scared to death. Can't imagine what jail time would do to me.
Hi, witwritegirl !
DeleteHow many times did she do this and NOT get caught?
ReplyDeleteY'all need to read Person's comment above, especially this:
ReplyDeleteWait a minute. I went a read even more about the case. I didn't realize that after being arrested she was part of a sting to get the real dealer and then was thrown under the bus.
APPALLING.
I doubt she got a fair trial and the death penalty for her crime is ridiculous. The prosector didn't even call for the death penalty! I hope someone steps in for the appeal.
ReplyDeleteIt bothers me so much the way the press is reporting about this. This woman knowingly and willingly tried to smuggle a MASSIVE amount of illegal narcotics - drugs that KILL TONS of kids every single day - and because she got caught, because she is being punished the way EVERYONE knows Indonesia punishes, the press is crying foul, because she's a grandmother who can't afford a lawyer?! Was she thinking about her children and her grandchildren when she didn't just break a minor law, but tried to bring toxic, illegal, good-for-NOTHING but addiction and suffering drugs into a country who takes this sh*t SERIOUSLY?? Did people feel sorry for the teen who was caned for the graffiti way back when? It's not like she jay-walked or brought in a piece of fruit. She contributed willingly and knowingly to availing a horrible poison to kids - who KNOWS how many times she did this successfully?! What are the statistics on how many times a person gets away with a crime before getting caught? If she were a black man caught with a few million in coke, who, lets add bc the media loves to add this crap ... didn't pay child support (does she support her kids / grandchildren?), I highly doubt there'd be even CLOSE to this kind of outcry. Instead, Americans would be thanking Indonesia for ridding us of another dangerous thug. This woman is white and she's a grandmother, so let's pity the same criminal. No, thank you.
ReplyDeleteTHANK YOU!
DeleteIt's smart of the British gov't to stay out of it. Kind of like the US policy of not negotiating with terrorists.
ReplyDeleteThink about it, what kind of message would they be sending to their citizens if they stepped up and paid for an attorney for a woman who was caught (and confessed) smuggling 2.5 MILLION DOLLARS worth of drugs?
You do that (in Indonesia no less) you takes yer chances. She rolled the dice and lost (this time. I agree with those saying odds are this is not her first time at the drug rodeo)
That's certainly not a precedent I would want to set, would you?
Grandma's grandchildren were threatened with harm if she didn't agree to smuggle the drugs. Not sure if the grandkids owed a dealer or what the exact details were (I'd read her story a while ago in the Daily Mail, Telegraph or Guardian).
ReplyDeleteMy take is that this lady felt she was between a rock & a hard place and truly feared harm coming to her grandkids. Have no idea if she tried to contact UK authorities about the threat or not. Give her a few years in jail but execution? No
Granny or not she's a drug smuggler and she broke the law. You do the crime, you do the time.
ReplyDeleteIn Australia you know not to break the law in Indonesia. Everyone is aware. Drugs are death if you are caught with them. We have Australian citizens on death row & the overwhelming response was they deserve to be there. Having written that, back when I was 17 I went to Indonesia on a Lions youth exchange. The family I stayed with told me the police were corrupt. One of the other exchanges told me of the daughter of a family friend who had drugs planted in her suitcase because she loved Indonesia so much & had been there 4 or 5 times the police assumed she must be doing something illegal. This was 26 years ago. I don't doubt this ladies guilt, or anyone who has the drugs strapped to their bodies, like the Aussies had, but if it is in the luggage, I am highly suspicious.
ReplyDeleteI have no idea what Indonesian prisons are like. Maybe death is preferable.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Susan B.
ReplyDeleteJust curious - that's ALWAYS the issue
ReplyDeleteWhat did she think was going to happen?
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FWIW, a charity donated the money so she could appeal.
@Jamie 2
ReplyDeleteThanks for posting that - I know she's a rotter, but I'm glad she at least gets a proper appeal.
I don't think she should get the death penalty. But I don't think the British people should pay for her lawyer either.She knew what she was doing was against the law and everyone knows they don't just slap you on the wrist over there like they do here.
ReplyDeleteWhy I love CDAN -- Posts all over the place [BUT posts remained civil :-) ]. Thank you FSP [wishes it was another 'Lindsay'], JSierra, SusanB and MadLyb [death penalty for drugs in an area that allows/promotes sex between children and adults].
ReplyDeleteAnd thanks to the posters who pointed out that this is an area that you DON'T import drugs unless you'll accept a harsh penalty if caught. [This Granny tried to smuggle in 5.2 kg.!]
Per Jamie2's post [she's got the money for an appeal], maybe more of the facts will come out.
Well I guess this is why you shouldn't try to smuggle drugs in Asia... someone didn't see Brokedown Palace...
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