"Which side of it you're on is entirely up to you." please explain.
i think the reward of heaven would be enough for all emotionally healthy people. but the threat of hell might keep a good portion of the borderline psychos in check. so 'd have to go w/ hell.
Heaven and Hell ( to me ) is a state of being. How we perceive things and what we project is the stuff our energy is composed of. Live in negativity , cycles of abuse, poverty etc.. Welcome to Hell. There are ways of breaking out of it.. But it's difficult. On the road to enlightenment? Glass half full? Think theres hope for humanity and you find beauty in everything? Welcome to Heaven. This is just my perception .. But I believe it with every fiber of my being.
I read the question differently than everyone else. I thought he was asking "which would be better for society? Heaven/Hell existing or not existing." Reading the question that way, I'd have to choose existing.
The assumption that Heaven and Hell exist isn't, in itself, enough to responsibly answer the question. We also need to know what the criteria are for earning your way into either one.
If you get into Hell for being a homosexual, into heaven for persecuting homosexuals, then we're in the hands of an ugly, evil God whose will is to be flouted at every opportunity, and the promise of Heaven is terrible for society.
Heaven would be better for society. That way, people will be more inclined to act virtuously out of desire to achieve a good, rather than avoid a punishment. If people just act virtuously to avoid a personal punishment, then the virtuous acts sort of ring hollow.
If we're assuming both exist, then there isn't a choice. Do you mean assuming only one exists? Honestly, I don't think it would matter. There are greedy people who are going to only look out for themselves and not give a shit about others, regardless of being offered a reward or a punishment.
I don't think it matters. In the Jewish religion heaven and hell don't exist. The first question people ask me is what then motivates one to be good? I'm always gobsmacked. What motivates one is just being good, which leads to being at one with whatever god you believe in or the state of mind one gets being loving, helpful and good.
Vickie...I'm commenting phrom my b/phriend's desktop and the EPHEPH key doesn't work. Phor some reason, I've not been able to access CDAN with my laptop. Driving me crazy. So. Yeah. Sorry. lol
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I read an article years ago where the theory was that everyone on Earth was actually in Hell; we just think we're somewhere else. And based on a lot of things I read about (especially on the front page of The Daily Mail online), I co-sign with that.
I am an atheist and try to do the right thing because that is my moral compass. Having worked in a church office for 3 years I think we would be better off without any concept of heaven or hell because I honestly saw, and have seen & experienced previously, some of the worst behaviour from people who call themselves religious. If we take away those concepts then people have to take others at face value. I know that religious belief gives a lot of people comfort, but I have yet to see it change who a person is at their core. Obviously there are really good, kind people who are religious, I just think they would be that way regardless.
I think they only exist as states of mind, and each of us is responsible for which state we feed and foster in ourselves.
Projecting our interior world outward is usually a mistake, because then we don't recognize that it's our own creation and something we can, through practice, change. So I'd say that as 'objective' phenomena, neither heaven or hell would be good for society. That ideology often gives people a way to avoid looking into themselves.
I don't think you can separate the two. Hell is the warning. Heaven is the aspiration.
ReplyDeleteThey do exist. Right here on Earth. Which side of it you're on is entirely up to you.
ReplyDeleteHell does exist. It's I-80 through Nebraska.
ReplyDeletePurgatory.
ReplyDeleteLOL @ Amber. SO TRUE.
ReplyDeleteHeaven is Osaka with unlimited cash.
ReplyDeleteHell is Booneville, MS, with no cash.
"Which side of it you're on is entirely up to you." please explain.
ReplyDeletei think the reward of heaven would be enough for all emotionally healthy people. but the threat of hell might keep a good portion of the borderline psychos in check. so 'd have to go w/ hell.
Heaven and Hell ( to me ) is a state of being. How we perceive things and what we project is the stuff our energy is composed of.
DeleteLive in negativity , cycles of abuse, poverty etc.. Welcome to Hell. There are ways of breaking out of it.. But it's difficult.
On the road to enlightenment? Glass half full? Think theres hope for humanity and you find beauty in everything? Welcome to Heaven.
This is just my perception .. But I believe it with every fiber of my being.
Heaven is me being home alone.
ReplyDeleteHell is going to the b/phriend's phamily phor the holidays. Oh god, iph there's a god, please help me!!
I read the question differently than everyone else. I thought he was asking "which would be better for society? Heaven/Hell existing or not existing."
ReplyDeleteReading the question that way, I'd have to choose existing.
The assumption that Heaven and Hell exist isn't, in itself, enough to responsibly answer the question. We also need to know what the criteria are for earning your way into either one.
ReplyDeleteIf you get into Hell for being a homosexual, into heaven for persecuting homosexuals, then we're in the hands of an ugly, evil God whose will is to be flouted at every opportunity, and the promise of Heaven is terrible for society.
If all homosexuals are in hell for being gay, them send me a one way ticket to hell. I do not want to be hanging out with hateful bigots.
Delete"Hell is other people"--Sartre
ReplyDelete@Leviathan, yes, this.
Heaven would be better for society. That way, people will be more inclined to act virtuously out of desire to achieve a good, rather than avoid a punishment. If people just act virtuously to avoid a personal punishment, then the virtuous acts sort of ring hollow.
ReplyDeleteIf we're assuming both exist, then there isn't a choice. Do you mean assuming only one exists? Honestly, I don't think it would matter. There are greedy people who are going to only look out for themselves and not give a shit about others, regardless of being offered a reward or a punishment.
ReplyDeleteId like to think heaven. That people wld do the right thing not out of fear of hell, but for happiness of heaven.
ReplyDeleteI don't think it matters. In the Jewish religion heaven and hell don't exist. The first question people ask me is what then motivates one to be good? I'm always gobsmacked. What motivates one is just being good, which leads to being at one with whatever god you believe in or the state of mind one gets being loving, helpful and good.
ReplyDelete@msgirl...I love what you just said...agree 100%!
ReplyDeleteReeses, just curious. Have you declared war on the letter "f"? :)
ReplyDeleteVickie...I'm commenting phrom my b/phriend's desktop and the EPHEPH key doesn't work. Phor some reason, I've not been able to access CDAN with my laptop. Driving me crazy. So. Yeah. Sorry. lol
ReplyDeleteLOL...oh okay. That would drive me insane! I thought you were making some kind of political statement. Hahaha
ReplyDeleteNooo, I really try to keep my politics just to Phacebook...that's plenty enough trouble phor me! I am going out tomorrow and will hopephully remember to get a keyboard!! Keep phorgetting!!
ReplyDeleteHell is montreal in january
ReplyDeleteHahahhaa Reeses that's flipping hilarious! I love your improvisation!
ReplyDeleteI should say phlipping phunny!
ReplyDelete@ReesesPeace
ReplyDeleteHave you tried telling them you have the phlu?
:)
I read an article years ago where the theory was that everyone on Earth was actually in Hell; we just think we're somewhere else. And based on a lot of things I read about (especially on the front page of The Daily Mail online), I co-sign with that.
ReplyDeleteHeaven would definitely be better....
ReplyDeleteWe came from somewhere, and we're much too complex to have come out of the muck.
I don't think we're alone in the universe. Only man is arrogant enough to believe that.
I'm not sure what Enty is asking here...
ReplyDeleteI'm not either. No clue.
Deleteisn't society, hell?
ReplyDeleteI didn't understand the questions. :(
ReplyDeleteI am an atheist and try to do the right thing because that is my moral compass. Having worked in a church office for 3 years I think we would be better off without any concept of heaven or hell because I honestly saw, and have seen & experienced previously, some of the worst behaviour from people who call themselves religious. If we take away those concepts then people have to take others at face value. I know that religious belief gives a lot of people comfort, but I have yet to see it change who a person is at their core. Obviously there are really good, kind people who are religious, I just think they would be that way regardless.
ReplyDeleteI think they only exist as states of mind, and each of us is responsible for which state we feed and foster in ourselves.
ReplyDeleteProjecting our interior world outward is usually a mistake, because then we don't recognize that it's our own creation and something we can, through practice, change. So I'd say that as 'objective' phenomena, neither heaven or hell would be good for society. That ideology often gives people a way to avoid looking into themselves.
"Heaven for the weather, hell for the company."(Mark Twain)
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