Shortly after I posted a story about 14 year old Ariel Winter wanting to be emancipated from her parents because she wanted to be free to live under her own rules and to be with her 17 year old boyfriend, news came to light that Ariel's sister, Shanelle Gray had petitioned the court for temporary guardianship of Ariel. In the petition and the one that Shanelle had filed for herself 20 years ago, she alleges abuse, both physical and verbal at the hands of their mother. The temporary guardianship was granted until November 20th. Now, Ariel's mother and Ariel's brother who played Pugsley Addams in The Addams Family movies have both come out and said there is no abuse and there was no abuse 20 years ago when Shanelle made her claims. Apparently Ariel's mother has doctor's notes and notes from stylists confirming there has been no physical abuse. She does not mention the verbal abuse though. Shanelle has struggled to find acting work after being fired from The Bold And The Beautiful back in 2005. You know I hate abuse in any form. If it is true then the mom should go to jail. If it is not true, and Ariel just wants to do what she wants, then that sucks for the mom because no one will remember anything but the fact she was accused of abuse.
Either way, it sounds like a screwed up family.
ReplyDeleteJust because she isn't leaving marks doesn't mean there is no abuse, a slap to the face is abuse. The older sister was put in foster care, they don't generally do that unless there is some proof
ReplyDeleteLet Denise Richards raise her.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that the older sister says the sane thing leads me to believe this is all true. The mom seems like every other piece-of-work stage mom out there, and just because the older brother doesn't corroborate the girls story doesn't mean it's not true. He's probably her little boy that can do no wrong, and that mom is probably jealous/envious that the girls made it in a way that she obviously couldn't, and takes her rage out on them.
ReplyDeleteAnd Ariel might have an older boyfriend that she does want to spend her time with. It's probably an escape for that poor girl, and the guy thinks he's being her saviour, and is just patiently waiting for his "reward"...
Let's just hope the older sister has her life on track, because even if she has all the best intentions in the world, if she's still a mess from what she went through, it's no better of an environment than if she were to stay with her mother.
Sheds diff light on things. If the mother is abudive, then free the little pappillion! I wish her well. I wish the mother goes to jail or even worse, is cut off from money train.
ReplyDeleteAnd c'mon, we all know Pugsley is a little off.
DeleteHoly crap she does not look 14 there! Her character is starting to irritate me, she's my least favorite on the show.... But either way - sounds like a charming home life, poor kid...
ReplyDeleteCountless innocent families have been wrongly destroyed by Child Protection on mere accusation alone . There doesn't even need to be proof for kids to be removed from a family."Child Protection" and "Terrorist Threat" are the two "magic words" used against people nowadays that automatically remove all their legal rights and can destroy their lives and we shouldn't be so quick to assume and judge.It's scary how easy it is to happen to anyone.You get into a fight with your neighbour,for example, and find yourself accused.
ReplyDeleteHmmm.... Honestly don't know who to believe. I'm guessing all that Modern Family money has nothing at all to do with it. NOT
ReplyDeleteI'm starting to wonder if the other story about the boyfriend is even true. Seems like someone was trying to make Ariel look like a brat before these allegations against Mom came out. I had no idea her siblings were in the business. Maybe Mom is another Dina Lohan, trying to earn a living threw her kids.
ReplyDelete@Pogue, what are you talking about? It takes A LOT for a CPS to remove a child from a home. You can't throw out a false accusation and hope it sticks. Most of the time it takes numerous reports, visits, interviews, etc for CPS to even consider removing a child from the home. Legitimately severely abused kids get stuck in their situation because CPS drags their feet. And yes, there sure as hell does need to be proof.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry you obviously had a crappy experience with CPS but your post is wrong to the point of being dangerous.
IDK that I'm buying it. Just because the claims between the two sisters (20 years apart) are the same, doesn't mean that Ariel isn't just being a brat and using the things her older sister has said. However, if she truly is being abused, that's awful and I hope she can work through it.
ReplyDeletePerhaps her mother is yelling at her to get her shit together. If so, hardly abuse. More like parenting.
ReplyDeleteHowever, we don't know the whole story and are all just speculating at this point.
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ReplyDeleteImpossible to know the truth right now. But the mom has letters from stylists? Stylists? Really?
ReplyDeleteIf all the kids are in show biz, tho, it does sound like a stage mom....
Verbal abuse is insidious and destroys entire lives, especially from parents, whose role is supposed to be nurturing. And it doesn't show as physical evidence. Good luck to Ariel either way, she's a terrific actress. I'm still not over that very age inappropriate dress she wore at the Emmys 2 yrs ago!
ReplyDeleteTMZ said that Ariel confirmed she was not trying to move in with her 17 year old boyfriend. I find it most odd that a claim was made 20 years ago. I totally believe Ariel. After all, it's a stage mom! They aren't known for being nice!
ReplyDeleteI just read elsewhere that a judge has ordered her removed and the mom stay 100 yards away. That means he's taking these allegations very seriously. The bf thing must have been a false story.
ReplyDeleteSome of the allegations: "vile name calling, personal insults about [her and her weight], attempts to 'sexualize' minor, deprivation of food, etc. for an extended period of time"
ReplyDeleteThe sexualization rings true when considering what the kid wore 2 years ago...
Remember a while ago the blind enty posted about the stage mom who used to prostitute out her daughter who looked very young? Obviously her mom is a terrible stage mom (all three kids pushed into acting? two of them claim abuse?) I wish I could find it - this sounds like the two of them.
ReplyDeleteAs the mother of a 15 year old, yelling and the occasional slap do not constitute abuse. Gimme a break. I do not physically strike my children but I was slapped occasionally as a teen by my mom (when I called her an asshole, for example), and the idea of that being abuse means we don't have any idea of what true abuse is. I certainly do yell at my kids, though. If anyone wants to stick me in jail for that, go ahead! You raise the little darlings! Ha!
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely well said. While I don't know if ariel's story is true or false, but I find that many kids nowadays are quick to shout abuse sometimes false.
DeleteHitting your child is never okay. It teaches them that physical violence is an acceptable problem solving response and it isn't even an effective form of punishment. I know sometimes it may seem like there is no way to get through to a "know it all" teenager, but slapping them in the face is not the answer.
DeleteKrab, please get off the gossip blogs and enrol yourself in parenting classes. it's better late than never.
DeleteThe Mayor - I remember that one! I think Bella Thorne was the popular guess at the time, but Ariel certainly fits.
ReplyDeleteAlso, now that I know she's Pugsley's sister, I see him when I look at her!
@The Mayor & Vera - wasn't the daughter 17ish in that blind but could look way younger? I think it was from the last month or so.
ReplyDeleteI think this is one of those stories where we REALLY don't know enough to comment. We can all go off on how horrible abuse is, or if she's being a brat, or how horrible CPS is, which are all true-ish, but the bottom line is it's still just speculation.
ReplyDeleteI, for one, am not going to comment on this story anymore. As much as it pains me to hold my tongue...
I don't know who to believe after all I know of teenagers who try to scare their parents into doing what they want by threatening to call Child Protective Services and accuse them of abuse but stage moms are known for being pushy and abusive. I hope the courts find the thruth and the proper action is taken.
ReplyDeleteThere's just not enough information to form a solid opinion. The fact that all three kids went into acting raises eyebrows for a possible stage mom, but I can't say that with 100% certainty. It sounds like the family has some issues. Hopefully, it will work out for them.
ReplyDeleteK: I don't know where you live but here in Ontario all it takes is one anonymous call to Child Protection and you can lose your kids on mere suspicion. I have heard of so many cases where it happens and they don't need proof.They don't even need a warrant to enter your home(unlike the regular police) and what they say is taken as Gospel truth,they are above the law, and in court the judge almost always gives them what they want,parents are powerless against them and always assumed guilty until proven innocent. As a member of a homeschooling organization I have seen it happen over and over again to many innocent families and have read so many tragic cases from HSLDA.It does happen and it really is that easy. You'd be surprised how little rights parents have here and how easy it is for the gov't to swoop in and snatch up your kids.
ReplyDeleteIn agreeance with the last few commenters. I'm not willing to jump on and lay accusations as it is a sensitive topic and not much is known. I reserve judgment in these cases.
ReplyDelete@Pogue Mahone. As someone who also resides in Ontario and has worked in social services, I can assure you (and others) that you claim is baseless and ignorant. If anything, it is the opposite - that many children are NOT removed as not enough proof is found.
ReplyDelete@Pogue - your post is absolutely NOT true. I'm in Alberta now but lived in Ontario for the first 30 years of my life. I also worked in group homes and know firsthand how children eventually get removed from their homes. You are either misinformed or lying. That simply does not happen.
ReplyDeleteI agree I live in Vancouver, bc and am a teacher and know it takes many many incidents, reports, interviews, and proof to get a child removed. Canada does not have the funding or enough foster parents as group homes to be removing children from homes on the basis of an accusation. Anyone who says differently is sadly misinformed.
DeletexoApril: Talk to Dallas Miller or any other HSLDA lawyer who sees the other side of the story every day and defends these families and he'll tell you another story.You'd be surprised how many homeschooling families are frequently targeted and attacked and they're not the only ones.It's not "baseless" and "ignorant".I've seen what these people go thru with my own eyes.There are 2 sides to every story.I agree if kids really are being abused that they SHOULD be removed but I also think Child Protection is too over zealous and has way too much power and too many innocent families are also caught up in their net and wrongly accused and their lives destroyed.
ReplyDeleteI will always stand behind an organization that has the best interests of a child at heart. It takes a lot of work to remove a child and conduct a large investigation. If there's no concerns and nothing to hide, then there's no issue. If you have concrete facts, articles, etc., please post so I can review.
ReplyDeletexoApril and Cee Kay: I can't speak for Ontario, but I sure as hell can speak for British Columbia when I say that Pogue Mahone is absolutely correct that families have been destroyed by unsubstantiated and 100% false accusations made to CPS. Kids get removed from their homes all the time over completely baseless accusations that kids (mainly teens) spew in revenge for actual parenting. Parents have NO rights or power anymore; it all lies in the hands of the kids, and people are wondering what is wrong with today's youth? These kids KNOW that they can destroy their entire family by crying abuse if Mom yells at them, or GOD FORBID gives them a cuff. They know it and they absolutely use it as a weapon against their parents in order to get away with murder. I've seen it happen more times than I can count. Problem is, if we start looking at these claims with a jaundiced eye, then there is the chance that a kid who is actually being abused will slip through the cracks and remain in an abusive environment. It's a really crappy situation and one that I have no clue how to go about fixing.
ReplyDeleteI'm scared by some of these messages. I think you know who you are.
ReplyDeleteso Pogue, WBot etc what you're saying is THEY ARE DOING THEIR JOB?
ReplyDeleteSorry I really don't give a shit about teens who cry wolf, CPS are doing their jobs. If families were in fact "ruined" by their kids alleging abuse that is not there, then that is up to the family to solve with a therapist. Stop blaming the system that is designed to protect your kid.
Do you know what being an abused child, telling someone and not being believed feels like? Being abused all over again.
ReplyDeleteI think any and all allegations should be taken seriously and investigated. ALWAYS.
CPS is notorious about leaving children in homes where they are being abused. To have them actually remove a child means there is substantial evidence that this is happening. Add to it that Ariel was trying to get away, legally, from her mother and I'm convinced.
All I can add is is that's a horrible self photo. All it needs is bathroom tiles and a commode in the background to complete it.
ReplyDeleteI'm just saying what I know from my own experience; from people I know that have gone thru it, from seeing what happened to them and talking to them, from reading HSLDA court reports, from attending HSLDA conferences and listening to them talk about their legal cases and hear them warn homeschool families over and over about how the system works and warning us about Child Protection and social workers and how easy it is to be falsely accused and to lose your kids and to be careful. Just because someone is accused,has Child Protection on their tail or had their kids seized doesn't necessarily mean they're guilty. It happens all the time.It's just as wrong for innocent people to be destroyed by Child Protection as it is for abused kids to fall thru the cracks.It works both ways.
ReplyDeleteNot to be unkind Pogue, but your experience seems to be limited to hearing the accused's side of the story. Also, why would homeschoolers be whipping their fellow parents into a paranoid frenzy about CPS?
ReplyDeleteWell said!
Deleteyodelay: The HSLDA lawyers just warn us what can happen(and how easily it can happen) as homeschoolers are often targeted by Child Protection workers(as are other "fringe" families in society that are not the "norm" such as those on welfare,teen or single parents,the poor, parents of handicapped children, large families, religious families, non-vaccinators, vegetarians,etc.)It's not that they want to scare us but rather to have us be vigilant and to lay low and to be aware how the system works and how easy it is to be caught up in it and that you don't have to be doing anything wrong to be at risk and how easy it is to happen to anybody.
ReplyDeleteWhy does. Home schooling association have lawyers that warn parents about CPS?
DeleteMaybe the poor trapped at home kids are trying to escape over zealous heavy on religion parenting.
ReplyDeletePoor kids probably want to go out, meet other kids and have a proper social life, which crazy helicopter parents won't allow.
These poor child welfare agencies are always understaffed and overworked, they certainly aren't in the business of taking kids away when unwarranted.
I believe Krab said she didn't hit her children but she yelled..I don't know a single parent that hasn't yelled at their kids. If she said she had to yell at them to get them to do anything then I would feel the same way. I think she was just being honest.
ReplyDeleteWasn't there a post a while back where everyone admitted they wanted to get away from their kids on occasion? Doesn't mean they want to abandon their kids, just that they need a break. Sometimes kids need to hear an "authoratative tone".
It is interesting that all of the kids are actors..I'll leave it at that.
it is also very common in abuse cases that not all the children are targeted. if this is true, the brother may not have ever been a victim of abuse, just the girls.
ReplyDeleteI have been a social worker for more than 5 years. I currently work in foster care. CPS doesnt just take people's kids without strong evudence! Besides we recommend a childs removal and a Judge decides not us! I cant tell u how many times we lost in court because there wasnt enough evidence. Social workers r soo overworked and underpayed, people r always talking shit about us! Im getting tired of it because u have no idea what we have to go through everyday!
ReplyDeleteThank you for doing the job you do and protecting innocent kids.
DeleteMaybe people are using the same vocabulary for different things here?
ReplyDeleteCPS may "take a child away" on an allegation alone, but only for a night or two while they have time to investigate.
And then if allegations are proven then they may "take a child away" more permanently.
In both cases the parent may say CPS has "taken a child away," but the duration and burden of proof are very different.
I have a friend who does the night-or-two fostering for the cases that need the child in a safe enviroment while things are figured out, and a cousin who does the "permanent" fostering after parental rights are severed. So I know both scenarios exist.
Anyway, I think it's possible people here are saying what for them is the truth, but using words that to others sounds like a lie. Just a thought.