Anders Behring Breivik was sentenced today in Norway for the bomb and gun attacks he used last year to kill 77 people in Norway. The judge ordered that Anders serve at least ten years in jail, but not more than 21. Seriously? Amber Portwood got five years in jail just for taking drugs. So, half the sentence this guy got for killing 77 people and Amber didn't harm anyone but herself. That is crazy. So, in ten years he can get out and do it again and get sentenced to another ten years in jail?
Upon arriving in court, the jerk gave the white power salute which was photographed and will now be broadcast across the world and inspire other equally ignorant a-holes to try and do the same thing.
What is the white power salute?
ReplyDeleteThat's all he got? Pathetic.
ReplyDeleteI'm guessing it's the Hitler salute?
ReplyDeleteSo, if he had *only* killed 38 people his sentence would have been at least 5 years but no more than 11? WTF? Norway may want to reconsider their what you get for killing 77 people law.
ReplyDeleteBreivik was given the maximum sentence of 21 years' imprisonment. Norway does not have life sentences.
ReplyDeleteAnd the imprisonment can and probably will be prolonged if he is deemed to remain a danger to society.
Ha! On NPR this morning, the correspondent referred to it as a "right-wing" salute. Their right-wing IS a whooooole lot different than our right wing.
ReplyDeleteQuick point of fact.
ReplyDeleteThis jackwad was sentenced in Norway.
Amber Portwood was sentenced in America.
Completely different legal machines.
That being said, he got hard time prison and not psych hospital prison?
That I find hard to believe.
I very much doubt he will leave prison alive.
ReplyDeleteWhat I can't absorb is : the Prosecution argued that he was insane and the Defense argued that he should be jailed. I actually thought I had read that incorrectly this AM (NY Times).So what would have happened if the court found him insane? I wonder if anybody from Norway reads here.
ReplyDelete@Agent:
ReplyDeleteNorwegian prosecutors asked a trial court to order Breivik confined for compulsory psychiatric treatment instead of sentencing him to prison.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/22/world/europe/anders-breivik-prosecutors-seek-psychiatric-confinement.html
WOW, for killing 77 people? I hope the moment he steps out of prison someone pops this fucker. Hell, that person will only be killing one person, he'll probably get 18 months.
ReplyDeleteGoodbye dickless, enjoy prison.
ReplyDeletefrom nbc news...
ReplyDelete"Breivik himself argued for a verdict of sanity as he wanted the attack to be seen as a political statement rather than an act of lunacy."
That works out to 3.67 months in prison per LIFE lost! I guess life is cheap in Norway. Someone needs to knock that smirk off his face.
ReplyDeleteNorway has a corrective system; US has a penal system. One focuses on improving someone's behavior and addressing the persons problems; the other focuses on penalizing. Very different systems philosophically. You can't compare apples to oranges.
ReplyDeleteThis^^^^^
DeleteExactly. Sometimes assholes like this slip through the cracks but Norways system isn't designed like Americas big business corporate jail system .. Here criminals = $ for privatized jails.. It's all so very sad
DeletePitiful. Apparently, Norway cannot conceive of any criminal who would merit more than 21 years in prison. Obviously a failure of imagination but also a failure to understand that the main purpose of prison is punishment, not rehabilitation.
ReplyDeletethere will still be court to decide whether or not he should be released so im hopeful that he will spend the rest of his life in prison
ReplyDeleteWhat @moussemaker said. He got the max allowable under the law, but it can be extended after 21 years if he is still deemed a danger to society.
ReplyDeletePer the NYT, he will be imprisoned in his own three-room cell, complete with exercise area and a laptop (but no internet). Wow.
Interesting info seachica. Do you what their success rate is?
ReplyDeleteBut I don't think a guy can get "better" no treatment for a psychopath.
A 3 room cell? That is wrong. BURN HIM! lol
ReplyDeleteSounds like he got away with murder...
ReplyDeleteI was astounded at the light sentence and can only hope that Norwegian prison is a shitload worse than American prison...
ReplyDeleteBut I also suspect he will still be deemed a danger to society when the 21 years comes up. Sick fucks like this creep do not get "better."
And I have yet to understand how/why this person believed that killing mostly KIDS was a political statement???
ReplyDeleteIn this case, it is tragic that the maximum sentence is 21 years.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I disagree with you, Amartel. Prison should be about rehabilitation. The majority of prisoners will be released into society again. Look at the reincareration rate in North America. Our system isn't working. We're releasing people back into society who are more dangerous and more angry than when they entered jail... and they have zero skills to find a job or to learn how to cope with frustration and anger.
Obviously this scenario does not apply to every prisoner, but jailing for punishment purposes only does not work, and does not protect society.
The worst was that sneer he gave. He's pure evil.
ReplyDeleteI think the white power salute is how you log on to Pam Geller's rightwing blog, the one Breivik was connected to. It's sad that we have his ideological brethren here in the US, too. Sometimes on rightwing cable news.
ReplyDeleteJeesus Christ.
ReplyDeleteI hope the judge becomes his neighbor.
In general, I feel there is much good in the concept of rehabilitation - especially for non-violent crimes. The problem I have with such a light sentence for violent crimes is that in 10 (or 21) years, the families will not get their loved ones back. Those families received a "life sentence" of loss which I believe the perpetrator should share. There are times (and this is one of them) where a punitive response is the appropriate action. This man SHOULD be penalized for his actions.
ReplyDeletewait! question, sooo, if a person were to take just him out when he's released.......no time, but a high five???
ReplyDelete//I'm not saying me...I refuse to fly anymore unless in a private plane, so yeah...I'm never going overseas again. I'm just wondering -b/c if murder of 77ppl = maybe 20yrs....1 would mean nada....not even an arrest, no? ;)
Thanks @Seachica!
ReplyDeleteReally interesting. I wonder how that type of system affects recidivism rates. Maybe it's something that works from a cultural point of view too.
I was a criminal justice major way back when. It was really discouraging about how badly things work. That's why I changed careers.
This is the harshest sentence available under Norwegian law. It does NOT mean he will be a free man in 21 years, just that his sentence will be re-evaluated at that time, and likely every 5 years after that as I highly doubt he'll be released.
ReplyDeleteLike someone pointed out, Norway (and most of Scandinavia) employs a correctional system rather than one of punishment alone. The belief is that every criminal can be rehabilitated and will be provided that chance. But if they are still considered a dangerous person at the end of their sentence, they do not get released.
I know that 21 years doesn't seem like much in comparison to what this scumbag did, but I'm pretty sure he will still die in prison.
After some research, the white power salute is the same thing as the black power salute - the raised fist. Only it's white power if it's a white fist.
ReplyDelete@ Dia Papaya.
ReplyDeleteApparently it does lower recidivism. You should read this article on CNN.
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/05/24/world/europe/norway-prison-bastoy-nicest/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Thanks Maja Papaya! Hope you have a great weekend!
ReplyDeleteThanks Noetje! Interesting reading.
moussemaker and maja, thank you. Informative.
ReplyDeleteOh, good Lord, Barton. No one on "rightwing cable news" is this guy's idealogical brother. Quit being hysterical.
ReplyDeleteI am all for rehabilitation for non-violent offenders. Teach them life and job skills, etc. But if someone is raping, murdering, or abusing other people, fark 'em. They can't play nicely with the other kids, so they need to be punished.
What kills me is that Norway's prisons are pretty damn cushy. This guy is going to be enjoying three squares and a suite of rooms at the taxpayer's expense for years. They should just put him up against a wall and shoot him, IMHO. Problem solved.
The POS was sentenced to 21 years but that was always expected from the start of the trial, it was also said that no way will he ever be released even though his case would be reviewed at the end of the 21 years. At least he won’t be appealing his sentence. It always pi.sses me off when the lawyers encourage these ‘humans’ to appeal. Great way to throw taxpayers money around.
ReplyDeleteAnd after he was sentenced, the evil bast.ard said he was sorry he didn’t kill more people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes, that guy needs to spend his life in jail and nothing short of that. they need to increase the sentences for murder in that country. in this country in just about every jurisdiction I've heard of, they could have given him 21 years for each murder, to be served one after the other.
ReplyDeletethat is crazy. 10 to 21 years!!!
It looks like the officer behind him would like to cheerfully stab him in the neck.
ReplyDeleteMaja. With a J. said... "But if they are still considered a dangerous person at the end of their sentence, they do not get released. "
ReplyDeleteWho decides this? A parole board like the US?
Thanks, dia papaya, same to you! :)
ReplyDelete@Noetje: Great article, Thanks!
ReplyDeleteReal food for thought, not that it would ever stand a chance of happening in the US. Imagine a politician running on a "soft on crime" platform. But the success rate in the article really makes me wonder why we don't at least try it for non-violent offenders.
FTA:
"You won't be suddenly one day standing on the street with a plastic bag of things you had when you came in."
Did anyone else think of Brooks in Shawshank Redemption when they read that?
Maybe a fellow prisoner will implement the death penalty as an act of national service.
ReplyDeleteThank you, Maja.
ReplyDeleteThat was my understanding of the situation as well.
Now, I DO have a problem with the sentencing, and that is the fact that he was sentenced to prison as a sane man, which is exactly what he wanted. He has said before that being sentenced to forced psychiatric care would be his worst nightmare. He wanted prison, and he says now that he won't appeal.
ReplyDeleteThis is a man who believes that he is a soldier in a war between good and evil, and that he is the person who will save the world from going under, and that he has the right to decide who lives and who dies. He believes that he has received this task from an organization called "Knights Templar". During the trial, when he was on the stand, he got very excited, almost exhilarated when talking about the shootings and the bomb, and about how many people he successfully eliminated and how many more he could have killed had he not been stopped. he believes he is in the middle of a war and in a lot of danger. The first court ordered psychiatric evaluation he was subjected to said that he is likely a paranoid schizophrenic. There was a second evaluation conducted and that team determined that he is sane.
To me, I think it's pretty clear that he is insane, but he is also very intelligent, and again, he WANTED to be sentenced to prison. Now, he feels he is a war hero. He APOLOGIZED FOR NOT HAVING KILLED MORE PEOPLE!!!
Take a look at Robert Hare's studies about prisoners. The purpose of prison should be to keep people who are minding their own business and doing no harm safe. Also to protect the gene pool from these mutants. This guy will never be released or rehabilitated.
ReplyDeleteI'm all for rehabilitation, but does anyone seriously think that a guy who murdered 77 people can be rehabilitated?
ReplyDeleteNo, and that is why HE won't be released. But many criminals in Norway and Sweden are.
ReplyDeleteSad sad sad..Especially his entire belief.
ReplyDeleteHe is a powerful example of why every country needs to have the death penalty reserved for terrorists like him.
ReplyDeleteI think you should ask my opinion on his sentence in about 21 years.
ReplyDeleteYou can tell a lot by a society by how they treat their criminals.
ReplyDeleteThe United States has the death penalty, life in prison, prison rape, three strikes laws, etc.
And we have a mass shooting about once a week.
Norway sentences a guy who murdered 77 people (including children) to no more than two decades and they have one of the lowest murder rates in the world.
I'd sacrifice vengeance for safety any day.
Enty,before to write some idiocies,learn about different countries'laws:in Norway,21 years of jail is maximum
ReplyDeleteTo Whom This May Concern:
ReplyDeleteIf you prefer the "assumed crimeless" culture of the lovely land of Norway, I gladly encourage you to emigrate. Especially if you have children, and enroll them in a summer camp there. Then - if you've seen your children slaughtered at the hands of a disgusting fuck brain - then return here and regale me with your tales of comparative criminal justice systems and the superiority of a nation who lets a monster like this to skate.
Yes, the US system did allow Casey Anthony to skate free, but her sin was against one innocent, NOT 77 of them! Meanwhile, this smirking monster will likely go on to become a celebrity in Norway. So I'm yet unconvinced as to how that implies a superior society.
For the others of you who seem to think prison in America is far too "harsh" on all those (gee whiz) poor innocently convicted people behind bars? I invite YOU to spend a week, month, or even a year in there. At that point please return and tell me if you think the monsters in those jails should EVER walk the streets again. (Or be allowed to live next door to you or your kids).
I have seen horrid animals inside the walls of our prisons and pray to God daily that most may never be allowed out. I used to be so naive and thought all jails were like Shawshank or Cool Hand Luke (where innocent and loveable ruffians were so oppressed by "The Man"). That is, until I was sent there myself for the crime of being a total brain-dead asshole...with intent to repeat.
I came out realizing that evil does exist, as do truly evil monsters. Thankfully, some of them remain locked up. The conditions in the prisons I've been in were better than most people's homes. And the rights afforded the incarcerated were often greater than the rights of most normal citizens on the outside world.
I personally do think our justice system is a disaster - but it is more the faults of the legislatures/congress, the courts/judges, idiot magistrates, too many corrupt prosecutors, and the evil attorneys who have destroyed it. Yes, on occasion an innocent DOES get wronged. But each day far more guilty people walk free.
The drug laws/sentences are horribly draconian (for use/posession - I do not mean dealing!), as are many others. But when it comes to corrupt officials, murderers, rapists, child molesters, and anyone who beats innocent people? The system is not draconian enough!
And on a closing note; Among the MANY reasons the US has many more crimes than Norway (aside from population), is that...we are NOT NORWAY! (By that I mean everything from our freedoms and culture to our rights, demographics, laws, and our economies are vastly different.)
This smirking fucker should be fed into a wood chipper toes-first. Or at least facing a 400 year term in a Thai prison with some pituitary mongoloid giving him an oral wet willie with his syphilis-encrusted cock...every. single. minute of the day.
Totally agree with Evil Kumquat!
ReplyDeleteAlso, FrenchGirl.
Oh Himmmm, your last paragraph made my day, hehe
ReplyDeleteI doubt he will be allowed out of prison. I strongly believe prison should be about rehabilitation and of cos giving up ones freedom is in punishment in itself. People who push for tougher prisons, should try and put sentiments aside, and look at prisons in a lot of countries in Europe especially Norway, and you see that as cushy as the prisons might seem, repeat offenders are quite low compared to America. I believe when u strip a person of being human and treat them like animals, they begin to act like animals. Just my humble opinion.
ReplyDeleteHey all CDANers, long time reader from Sweden here, that is Norway's neighbouring country.
ReplyDeleteI'm not Norwegian, but our 2 countries are very similar, probably more similar than the various US states. That is why i take the liberty to make these comments.
I understand that the scentence seems like nothing, especially when you are used to the US justice language which is very harsh, or even medieval. But what actually happend was that Brevik got the maximum punishment. After 21 years have passed, every 5 year there will be a hearing to see if he is a danger to society. If he is considered such, he will stay in jail. Repeat til he dies. There is no way, no WAAY he will get out. He is too hated, and obviously dangerous.
Maybe it would have made the americans feel that all is right in the world if he was sentenced to 1000 years in prison, but no matter. He will still be contained. He is twisted and evil, but he is contained and will never get out.
And maybe the Texans would have liked to seen him 'against a wall' etc. I understand that is your way of viewing the world. However, i hope you can understand that in Europe most of us consider capital punishment as something that shouldn't exist in a civilized country. Of course, some individuals thinks he should be executed since he is so utterly corrupted, but in general most of us don't.
Personally i think a society that kill some citizens (however evil they be) in gas chambers or with poison injections isn't very different from Brevik's twisted view of the world. But that's just me. (moving on, hoping i didn't open up that can of worms too much)
Anyway, these are just my personal opinions from here across the pond. I enjoy reading CDAN and the commenters alot, but i rarely get to join in the discussions due to the time difference. Let's try and stay smarter and more sophisticated than the rest of the rubble on the net.
Well said and articulated. Thanks!
DeleteWow - thanks, Britta. Your entire post is food for thought indeed.
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ReplyDeletedia wow that would have been a lot to handle for someone 'sensitive' like you. Glad you switched vocations, it's hard to leave some of that stuff at work.
ReplyDeleteI think certain criminals should be euthanized but where does the line then end? I also think jails should be harsher places, but that my opinion. Money should be spent on mental health, and those less fortunate, not endless appeals et al by crims who work the system.
Astro - it was a horrible fit. I don't know why they hired me. My BF at the time was cop. Not in Baltimore though. Maybe that's why?
ReplyDeleteI quit after 3 months. And went to work helping babies find good homes at an adoption agency. Yay!
I've had some interesting jobs...
That's Norway for ya!....
ReplyDeleteOn a thinly related note the movie "until the light takes us"
Is an interesting view of black metal in Norway...and there is an interview with a guy who is in jail for murder.....he is clearly a psychopath......it's really weird how obvious his pathology is to a dilletente like myself.....
Me too, lots of stories I can't tell here. One day dia. ;)
ReplyDeleteSo, anyone still believe Himmmm is a major movie star after that hysterical outburst?
ReplyDeleteWhoa! I was gonna come back to say something snarky about this sick fuck's UGLY-ASS facial hair (goes along with the rest of his overall UGLINESS) and see that Himmmm joined in again!
ReplyDelete@ Tatyana--
ReplyDeleteI do. If you'll recall he went to prison himself for a good while. He's seen it inside there...most of us have not.
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ReplyDeleteHej hej Britta-Jons, jag ar ocksa fran Sverige! Fast jag bor i Kanada numera :)
ReplyDeleteWhat RDJ really said about prison
ReplyDelete10 years works out to be a month and a half per victim.
ReplyDeleteSo the lesson is, if you are going to commit the largest mass murder in history, do it in a ultra-liberal country.
@Maja
ReplyDeleteJag misstänkte att du var skandinav iallafall, eftersom du stavar Maja. Med J. ;)
Interesting article re RDJ.
ReplyDeletehttp://douglasernstblog.com/2012/04/23/lone-avenger-robert-downey-jr-soars-above-his-liberal-critics/