Madonna sure still knows how to get a country in an uproar. On Thursday night, Madonna performed in Turkey. I guess she wanted to make sure the 55,000 fans there got their money's worth because during a part of the show, Madonna slowly started taking off her clothes. When she got down to her bra, she decided to go ahead and go all the way and exposed her breast to the audience. Considering how religious the country is, that is really taking a chance. If you are Jane Doe from Alabama you are in jail for doing it. If you are Madonna then it is artistic.
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ReplyDeleteShe still wants to be controversial.
ReplyDeleteAs Chris Rock said "20 year old titty, community titty, 53 year old titty, your man's titty!"
ReplyDeleteshe is just trying to distract people from how crappy her latest album is.
ReplyDeleteKeep the bra on Madge.
Serves them right for WWI. Take that Johnny Turk. Try erasing the image of grandmas naughty bits from your subconscious now.
ReplyDeleteShe NEEDS to be controversial, that's her shtick. But there comes a time when you use something other than your body. She's not aging well, still relying on sexual titillation.
ReplyDeleteWe've all seen it before. It's not that impressive.
ReplyDeletegranny porn alarm!
ReplyDeleteLMFAO
All I see here is Hillary Clinton (?) and her nipple... not sexy or interesting or edgy.. just sad.
ReplyDeleteThat is all.
oh please Madonna. You are fucking pathetic now. Stop it already.
ReplyDeleteI'm old, but I understand that. She is old but just doesn't get it.
ReplyDeleteIf anyone is into Madonna's 53 year old nipple have at it.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G-NmCokWffQ#!
@Lazyday--very funny.
ReplyDelete@strawberrygirl - ha! Love it! Took the fam to see Madagascar 3 yesterday - Chris Rock was hands down the best part - I'm sorry, but it seemed pretty phoned in.
ReplyDeleteBy "it", I meant the move as a whole. CR killed with the Circus Afro bit.
ReplyDeleteGive it up honey - no one cares.
ReplyDeleteTurkish delight is an overripe, insipid, tasteless, mushy old-fashioned delicacy -- I can see how she thought she would fit the bill.
ReplyDeleteOh, I got sidetracked thinking about CR - what I originally wanted to say was Madonna looks grody and old in that picture.
ReplyDelete@Barton Fink - ew! Am I going to think of Madonna's boobs the next time I eat some? Hope I forget by then...
ReplyDeleteA few months ago she trashed MIA and then she does this...ugh.
ReplyDeleteShe did what she intended. Got people talking about her.
ReplyDeleteI had the good fortune of travelling quite a bit when I was younger, so it really bothers me that she pulled this stunt in a predominantly Muslim country. Even though I live in tank tops, I would always cover my arms and legs if I thought my regular duds might offend certain folks. However, if Madonna wanted to let her bewb out for a little breather in Spain or something, I wouldn't think twice about it
ReplyDeleteSo much for growing old gracefully. Can you imagine how embarrassed her kids are?
ReplyDeleteme-maw boob? um, no thanks.
ReplyDeletemeanwhile, lourdes is thanking her lucky stars that her punishment for smoking was staying home from the tour. my god, is madonna's son a part of every show, or was that just a one time thing?
Just what we need -- Lady Gaga to start performing a strip tease in her performances soon after this, too.
ReplyDeleteFrom the video, it sounded like the crowd dug it.
ReplyDeleteTurkey is a secular country and is Istambul is totally occidental (the east of the country more religious)
ReplyDeletemy point: this is as controversial in Istambul as it would be in any of her other tour stops
Turkey is secular and the LEAST Muslim of "Muslim" countries, but I LOVE her grandma pantyhose! See the band going all the way up to her bra? Priceless!
ReplyDelete@Beta and Henriette. I was in Turkey during Ramadan, so maybe I had a skewed view of how it actually is there. Why do you refer to it as secular? I really am just curious, because I am fascinated my culture. As a tourist, I was probably just visiting more of the holy sights so I was always hearing the calls to prayer, seeing women being covered etc. I've only been to 2 other Muslim countries (Morocco and Malaysia) and Turkey did seem a little more relaxed
ReplyDeleteI watched the clip, I didnt see the big deal. It was actually sort of funny in a tongue in cheek way, if you watch her facial expressions you can tell she's playing around and the huge crowd was egging her on long before she flashed the titty. Even if it is a Muslim area that crowd new they were going to a Madonna show and by their reaction they didnt mind one bit.
ReplyDeleteAnd I've said it before but I dont think just because Madonna is over 50 now she should have to wear or act old granny. She's in better shape than half the women in their 20s- if she wants to still work it, Im not going to age-shame her back into whatever clothes ya'll think she should be wearing. But then again, I think women get better or more sexy the older they get, so maybe we differ on that in this youth-obsessed culture ya'll are encouraging.
@Jasmine: you're right. As a woman of a certain age myself, I grow weary of people dissing us older gals. However I think most will agree there is an invisible line that defines sexy and acting your age. I find Helen Mirren and Sophia Loren incredibly hot and they seem to see no need to flash any booby. Yes, Madonna is in great shape and if you got , flaunt it right. Just for some reason it bugs me and I am concerned about the dichotomy of my perceptions. Kinda makes me a hypocrit. you have a very good point and I applaud you for voicing it.
ReplyDeleteshe is desperate for attention, and always will be. I have no idea why anyone goes to see her, her music used to be good, now its awful.
ReplyDeleteher act doesn't age well. she's trying to be 25 again and it just doesn't work. if she grew more mature and didn't flash the lady parts, I'd have more respect for her.
Gross. She'll probably do it age 75, too.
ReplyDeleteJasmine - yes she has a good body and I am older than her, so screw anyone who says that we can't be sexy, BUT this girl is obsessed with youth as we all know, and she is so dependent on still being a flirt in the trashiest way possible.
ReplyDeleteEw, does she honestly think she is still sexy?! So delusional. That is disgusting.
ReplyDeleteSherry- I always enjoy you and your comments, you never fail to be considerate and thoughtful about others opinions. <3
ReplyDeletemsgirl- Agreed, she IS dependent on selling her sex and sexuality, I mean come on this is Madonna we're talking about ;-P
And I also am not her biggest fan, contrary to my multiple defense of her on these types of posts whenever they crop up on CDaN.
I dont think she's the best role model for young girls to aspire to or that she's all that great a person when it comes down to it.
BUT I hesitate to join in when people castigate performers/celebs who are over a certain age and remain apologetically sexual. I think that beneath some of these good points some of the bloggers are making there lies a persistant age-shame that women as a gender experience and I will not contribute to the double standard women face where they are sought and valued for their sexuality/body/image alone for decades and then past 40 are shamed for still playing off that body objectification.
@Sunny
ReplyDeleteIt's a secular government unlike Saudi Arabia and Iran. Religion does not rule the laws of Turkey. Also, Istanbul (formerly Constantinople)is the seat many Orthodox Christians. They have been pushed out of many of the Middle Eastern countries they are from, eg Iran. Incidentally, Jews are protected under Iranian law, but not Christians.
Turkey is part of the European Union. Here is their EU link: http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/candidate-countries/turkey/index_en.htm. Their closest ethnic ties are actually with Greece and not the Arab countries. Of course don't tell that to the Cypriots. The ancient city Troy is in Turkey. A lot of archaeological sites are in Turkey too.
On to Vadge's age, I don't care how old Vadge is, this type of behavior is DUMB! It's dumb when Rhianna does it or anyone. It's stupid ploy for attention.
Here is the question I want to ask: Why does a woman of ANY age feel the need to use her sexuality for attention? Why can't Vadge get by on her "talent" or work ethic? Why does she feel the need to expose herself?
Here is where Vadge's age comes in: What if she was not a celebrity? What if she was one of your friend's mothers, and she flashed you? Would you wonder what was wrong with her? Would you think she was oh a wee bit immature?
What's wrong with a woman getting older with some grace and maturity? A woman using more than her boobs to display who she is?
If Vadge was a ten year old sucking on her pacifier, would you take her pacifier out of her mouth? If she were five and still using diapers and REFUSING to use the toilet, wouldn't you think she had an "age" issue?
These are my problems with Vadge, and they have nothing to do with being "sexy" and older.
@jasmine
ReplyDeleteThis is not about sexuality though! Why is nudity aligned with sexuality? There is tons of nudity in Europe and no one gets it confused with sex. What you are voicing is a typical American response to Vadge, equating nudity with sexuality. Vadge is not being the least sexual, if anything, she is mocking true sexuality in very uninteresting way.
no one wants to see 50+ year old nipples. but she's used to being the belle of the ball so i think she'll do anything for attention now. unfortunately for the public.
ReplyDeleteI have got no love for this woman but I have to admit for an old broad, she looks really good in clothes. Naked, not so much.
ReplyDeleteI have got no love for this woman but I have to admit for an old broad, she looks really good in clothes. Naked, not so much.
ReplyDelete@Henriette
ReplyDeleteAwesome! Thanks for taking the time to clarify :) I did visit Ephesus, and saw a lot of the ancient ruins. Since I've never been to Greece, this was really historically remarkable to me. Anyway, I love that CDAN has a little bit of everything. You guys really entertain me!
Well this certainly turned into an interesting conversation. Thanks, ladies, for lots of good points. I'm glad I came back!
ReplyDeleteI have no problem with Madonna's age, necessarily. I just think that no one needs to be flashing their breasts unless they're burlesque dancers or strippers. Madonna would have so many more fans if she behaved differently, I think. Enough with the crotch grab, etc...
Having said that, I watched the clip on dlisted (I think?) and cringed a little when she popped her bra and her nipple was pointing down. Yes, that happens eventually, but - I don't know that we needed to see that (my fault for clicking). And that brings me back to my burlesque/strippers point.
Wow...she did that so matter-of-factly that it almost looked clinical...like she was getting ready for her annual mammogram or something.
ReplyDeleteI just can't believe Madge is the same age as my mom! When did this happen?
ReplyDeleteUgh, if my mom showed her cleave in public less much her nip....ugh!
I'm divided. Part of me thinks it was unnecessary, part of me just doesn't care, and part of me thinks that she is free to show off her body if she likes. Women are just as sexual and beautiful in their 50s as they are in their 20s. Sexuality doesn't fade away once you cross the magical threshold into your 30s and beyond. Maybe we do need to see older women in this way. And anyway, it was just a nipple. There was nothing scandalous or interesting about it.
ReplyDeleteI think Madonna will eventually have a nervous breakdown when she realizes no one is really all that interested in her dusty body parts any longer.
ReplyDeleteShe is screaming for attention.
Will it be a controversy if Dice Clay got himself banned from a newtowrk at his age, today? Nope. Can you think of any 50-ish man who would act like his younger self shocking so many commenters into age-bashing? Probably not. Madonna doesn't have more money than God because she's a dumb businesswoman.
ReplyDeleteShe is an entertainer! Like some have said, she definitely has people talking....around the world. She finds a way to make her sexy relevant every few years. I think no one in america is surprised at her behavior-but surely her controversy will help sell albums abroad. Winning!
ReplyDelete"...she wanted to make sure the 55,000 fans there got their money's worth"...
ReplyDeleteSh*t, so money in turkey gets you a middle aged stripper??? far out!!
So very desperate.
ReplyDeleteThe only thing that concerns me about this, aside from prehistoric nips, is that her son Rocco is working on her tour as a dancer. I hope he cleared the area, that could scar for life!
ReplyDeleteSO F*CKING PATHETIC. She's now stripping for money? I mean, literally. Oh how the Mighty has fallen.
ReplyDeleteI could give a hoot about her age. This is low, even for her.
Attention whore. She's too old for this stuff. She's reminding me of Demi.
ReplyDeleteLove u always, Madge.........
ReplyDeleteThat is a horrible picture of her.
ReplyDeleteIt's obvious Madonna is being Madonna. It is a bit tiresome. However, besides this type of action she can still put on a show (more or less).
ReplyDeleteNow...the next is an attempt to clarify what was stated about Turkey. I couldn't let it pass knowing what I do about it. I rarely comment but I felt the need to do so in order to clarify the issue of Turkey. I was a student at the University of Paris during my undergraduate years. Also, happen to be a student of antiquity as well as several other related subjects.
Firstly, Turkey is not a full member of the EU but still involved in a long process of attempting to gain membership. Former French President, Sarkozy, was one of the key opponents (along with several other EU leaders) to their membership ascension. Their reasons are myriad with the main ones concerning human rights and its poor treatment of religious minorities.
Just last week VOA had an article about the ongoing process. See link below:
http://www.voanews.com/content/turkey-continues-pursuit-of-eu-membership/1204786.html
Again, please pay close attention to one of the main reasons full membership has not been granted within the article. I've snipped a bit for you to see:
"...Davutoglu said when Cyprus assumes the European Union presidency in July, Turkey will continue to cooperate with the EU but will not attend any event Cyprus presides over.
Cyprus is divided between Turkish and Greek Cypriots and Ankara refuses to recognize divided Cyprus as a sovereign nation. The dispute is one of the main issues hampering Ankara's EU membership bid.
Another sticking point for Turkey is human rights. EU Enlargement Commissioner Stefan Fule reminded his Turkish counterparts they still have a lot of work to do in that area."
Part II
ReplyDeleteSecondly, Turkey invaded the sovereign nation of Cyprus in July 1974. Whatever its reasons (official and unofficial) this act violated Cyprus and continues to do so up to this point in time. Families have been forcibly separated while their property has been illegally sold off to others. This is an issue that needs to be addressed fairly for all Cypriots.
For centuries Cyprus was Hellenic (Greek). During the Seljuk Turks' (Ottoman's) expansion of their empire, Cyprus fell under their rule (its a bit more complex than that actually but this is not the forum to go into great detail...the Venetians ruled it as well during that era but that's getting off topic). Here is a link to get a general overview:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_invasion_of_Cyprus
Now, to say that Turkish people are closer ethnically to Hellenes in Greece than their other modern day nation state neighbors is a gross mischaracterization. They (the Greeks) were merely conquered by them. That is all. Were the Persians culturally closer to the Arabs or others after they were conquered? No. How about many of the indigenous people of North America? Are the traditional Lakota, Apache, Navajo, Blackfoot et cetera culturally close with European customs? Even the Ainu of Japan distinguish themselves from what we know as modern day Japanese citizens. It's a bit naive and in some cases, insulting, to believe that just because one nation conquers another, they are somehow ethnically or culturally related.
And, in terms of the Greeks and the Turks being similar in culture or otherwise, well, there are a plethora of cultural, religious, historical and basic life ideologies that rest in direct opposition to one another. The only aspect remotely or indirectly shared between those two diametrically different cultures is their reverence of Constantine the Great's City. The Seljuk Turks' obsession with capturing the Eastern Roman capital of Constantinople was an effort finally achieved on May 29, 1453.
Even the name "Istanbul" is a bastardization of a Greek phrase, "to the City," or "in the City" roughly pronounced, "Estheen Poli."
Again, I am not posting to insult or argue but to merely clarify. That is all. When one looks at their ethnic make-up through the lens of antiquity, modern day Turks are in fact descendants of the Parapamisadai...A people who originated near modern day Afghanistan and Pakistan. They were first made known to the west during Alexander the Great's conquest of the Indus Valley region.
This group later became known as the Oghuz Turks which had a branch known as the Seljuk Turks . These people, along with the Mongols came from Central Asia, nowhere near modern day Greece or the Mediterranean Sea. In fact, Turks are closer to people from Central Asia such as the Mongols.
Here's a link for a general idea regarding the Seljuk (or sometimes spelled Seljuq) Turks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seljuq_dynasty
Part III
ReplyDeleteAs for Troy being in modern day Turkey...As stated above, the entire region known as Anatolia (or Hellenic Anatoli) was conquered by the Seljuk Turks (later to be called the Ottomans). The Ottomans did not build Troy or any of the other ruins in what was formerly Greek for millennia. It was Hellenism which was responsible. To assume that Turkish culture was responsible for any of those ruins would be like saying the Greeks built the pyramids in Egypt since there was a time they ruled over Egypt (during the Ptolemaic era). Ancient Egyptians were responsible for the construction of the Pyramids. The Greeks erected cities and temples throughout the Mediterranean region from antiquity up into the AD era. The Seljuk Turks, Oghuz Turks, Mongols and the like, originated in Central Asia. Their culture is nomadic and Asiatic.
I'm not stating this is good or bad. I'm just stating a fact. Their culture is neither Occidental in nature nor in origin.
I sincerely apologize for the length of this post. I come to this site for "fun, harmless, gossip." However where history is concerned involving real people and tragic life situations, misinformation is as much of an insult to the group of people who receive it just as much as those who it is about. In order words, history as fact and unbiased is the best course as opposed to history through ignorance or emotional desire. I am neither Greek nor Cypriot (or have any ethnic heritage from that part of the world). I am from the U.S. and being an ethnic minority myself understand how important it is to research history for oneself as opposed to believing one nation's propaganda, falsification of its heritage or more importantly a "sanitized" version of its treatment of those whom they have conquered or invaded.