John Travolta Accuser #2
The NY Daily News tracked down John Travolta accuser #2. Apparently John likes really big guys. This is the accuser who worked at a spa in Atlanta and told his employers what happened and they did nothing. His name is John Truesdale and he also now has retained the services of Gloria Allred so John can probably look forward to a very big payday. A quiet payday, but a large one.
It's raining men, hallelujah, it's raining men...
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I think JT is going to follow the Tom Cruise protocol and just sue the living shit out of everyone. He has the money to fight it. No one has come forward with any proof other than their word.
ReplyDeleteIf Gloria had something she would of teased it by now.
if it were just one accuser, or even two, there might be some doubt. but so many have come forward that the case each of them has is stronger. good for them. I hope that they all do get a big pay day. no one should be subjected to sexual abuse. now that john is going to have to start writing big checks, he might think about it before he does it again.
ReplyDeleteGROSS!! I can't believe it took this long for everything to come out.. It's not like "poor jake". These masseuse and bathhouse rumors have been circling for over a decade. And while I agree to never out anyone, this man is a sexual predator who never stops bc no one reports him.
ReplyDeleteOh, @strawberrygirl... :)
ReplyDeleteDang, the whole JT thing is messed up!
I'm so stunned that I'm having trouble believing this man would be John's type.
ReplyDeleteHe certainly looks capable of fending off any advances, so why is he suing?
Oh yeah, money.
Anthony Anderson?! ;)
ReplyDeleteNot to play devil's advocate, but who's to say there won't be a whole lotta guys jumping on the "Travolta touched my bits!" bandwagon? Not saying I don't believe it, but where's the proof?
Next thing you know, Mariah Yeater will be claiming Travolta is the father.
lol Cornbread, I agree. A bunch of strong healthy men coming forward years later looking none the worse due to John's alleged behavior better have some concrete proof that they were 'violated' or I wouldn't award them a dime.
ReplyDeleteHmmm...not who I pictured as John's type.
ReplyDeleteyes, I think they should have some proof...documentation with their employers looks good...but to say that because they look healthy and strong isn't fair and doesn't mean it never happened.
I am sure that a high powered celebrity could be pretty intimidating, doesn't matter who ya are.
Umm, I think his "type" is anyone with a dick! Predators are not fussy.
DeleteRight, but most have a preference in terms of looks, age, sex, etc.
DeleteMany others, like you are saying, are just opportunists.
Hmm. Looks like Travolta might like bears. I'd be like candy to him. Better keep losing weight!
ReplyDeleteDenise, my strong and healthy reference wasn't intended to imply that John didn't make advances, just that even if he did, they were/are perfectly capable of stopping any advances cold in their tracks. I did mean to imply that it's all about the money rather than anything they suffered due to John.
ReplyDeleteGo ahead, blame the victim. This is why so many victims of sexual assault suffer twofold - first, from the initial assault, and thereafter because of people flippantly telling them they should've fought back or stopped the rape or assault or unwanted advances, then callously assuming they don't look worse for the wear, so get over it. Unfuckingbelievable.
ReplyDeleteSo if I were a 200 pound 6 foot tall woman and a man tried to sexually assault me I should be able and should be expected to overpower him and stop him cold?
ReplyDeleteMad, I expressed personal doubts about what happened, not blaming anyone - in case you were addressing me.
ReplyDeleteAlso, they are alleged victims at this point, and only because they say so. All we KNOW so far is that John made sexual overtures of some type which these men rejected. They have yet to establish that they were truly victimized.
So you're saying sexual harassment is okay? Because being propositioned at work is no big deal...right.
DeleteDenise, no that is not what I'm saying. I'm being as clear as I can for someone with very few actual facts regarding this case to process.
ReplyDeleteI'm not going to believe these men who are after money simply because they make accusations. This is still the country of innocent until PROVEN guilty. That is my primary point.
I see your point Angel, but you indeed say they were perfectly capable of fending off the alleged attacks.
ReplyDeleteThat is my opinion. All any of us have at this point is our opinions.
ReplyDeleteThe one thing we do know for sure is that they are after MONEY, and due to that I'm saying that puts the imperative on them to PROVE what they're alleging.
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ReplyDeleteIt was rumored that JT likes them big and black. Were those Lainey blinds? So when I saw the the picture, I thought: "He IS John's type".
ReplyDeleteIf Monica saved the dress you well KNOW somebody saved a towel and it's full of DNA.
ReplyDeleteFurthermore, nobody should expect to be propositioned at their job. It's a massage! Nobody was advertising a happy ending, especially on a cruise ship. JT was out of line and he expected his fame and fortune to over ride common human decency.
JT could go for a happy ending massage any time he wanted that. No professional masseuse should have to expect that type of behavior.
Go Gloria!
I think that's the point _ - _ = _, (that's just fun to type), is that JT did things to these guys, beefy or not, expecting them to take it because he's rich and famous. A lot of these victims probably felt they couldn't strike back, that they'd lose their jobs, because as we know, a lot of managers of night clubs, bars, restaurants, hotels, etc., will turn the other way when a celebrity does something despicable. If it had been anyone other than JT, this guy in the photo above probably would have been a little more aggressive about the situation.
ReplyDeleteMazemerizing...
ReplyDeleteright!
It reminds me of when I was a bartender in college. a very rich, powerful man in the town used to come in almost overnight. he was extremely rude and condescending to all the staff whenever he was in. but we were all expected to "take it" and deal with his behavior because he had a lot of clout and the owner of the bar didn't want to "start trouble" or lose this man's business, and was afraid thus man would influence other people to stop patronizing the bar.
anyone else behaving like this guy would were asked to leave.
Stupid autocorrect! :P
DeleteNobody should have their private bits fondled, whether they are 90 lbs or 400lbs. Its abusive.
ReplyDeletePlus the guy was good-looking and when he made advances we were told that we should be flattered.
ReplyDeleteIt is disgusting that if there is any truth in the accusers stories (innocent until proven guilty) JT can just throw his money around and pay people off - it's sexual assault for god's sake the guy should go to prison!!
ReplyDeleteinteresting that the name and picture of a person claiming sexual assault is being widely distributed. if this was a woman, i don't think that would fly.
ReplyDeleteMe? Really? Does the name Paula Jones mean anything? And I believe not only was her image and name spread around but the media ridiculed her for her looks and blamed her.
ReplyDeleteI love how all these nobodies that JT supposedly sexually assaulted skipped out on going to the police in favor of holding their greedy little hands out for a payout.
ReplyDeleteSmells like shit to me.
Go ahead, blame the victim. This is why so many victims of sexual assault suffer twofold - first, from the initial assault, and thereafter because of people flippantly telling them they should've fought back or stopped the rape or assault or unwanted advances, then callously assuming they don't look worse for the wear, so get over it. Unfuckingbelievable.
ReplyDeleteI'm blaming them, yes ma'am. Know why? Because REAL abuse victims go to the POLICE not an attorney looking for $$$$$$$. Don't be a fool.
"No" means "no" for a man or a woman. Size is as irrelevant as what a woman is wearing when sexual abuse/harassment happens. He might have been so surprised and humiliated, it froze him. We don't know how anyone can react to trauma, no matter what their size. If what is alleged is true, he's the victim and blameless.
ReplyDeleteMaybe they don't think the police would do anything or take them seriously?
ReplyDeletei cannot say for sure since I've not been sexually assaulted, but if I didn't think the police or the justice system was going to work in my favor would I settle for $2 million and my attacker's public humiliation? Probably. Make him pay somehow neither the attacker being in jail nor the money will take the assault and resulting pain away so might as well make a few bucks if he's not going to jail.
just a thought.
@therealjaded.. exactly:
ReplyDelete"Because REAL abuse victims go to the POLICE not an attorney looking for $$$$$$$.
BTW, after investigating this accuser, I found out that he's 6 ft. tall, 250 lb., and a CERTIFIED BLACK BELT.
There are victims, and then there are 'victims'.
I'm not suggesting there isn't a genuine victim or two out there, but this man is most definitely not one of them in my humble opinion.
If you're addressing me, sexual harassment is NOT okay. However, how do we know that John's behavior amounted to harassment, or that it even occurred? Because this man who employs Gloria Alred looking for a pay day says so? Not in my book. When you skip the police and go straight for the pocketbook, I believe NOTHING until you PROVE it in no uncertain terms.
ReplyDeleteHow can you say he is not a victim!!! When the incident occurred he went to his employers WHO DID NOTHING
ReplyDeleteSo why would he go to the cops. Being a black man, accusing a white he is already on the back foot, make that a popular, rich, protected by CoS, loved by the populace white guy and he would most likely ended up in jail for making a false statement.
Shaming victims especially whe done by women who know the kind of shit guys get away with everyday, makes me angry.
I agree with cornbread. Lots of jumping on the bandwagon.
ReplyDeleteI could file a complaint tomorrow, $50 at the local courthouse. Like John Doe, I could pull a date/story out of my arse and be on the news shows by nightfall.
If REAL abuse victims went to the police as a rule, half the blinds for the past few months on this site wouldn't be blinds.
ReplyDeleteThis guy says he went to his employer and got no action. Do we know whether he went to the police or not?
Wealthy people and especially celebrities can be prime targets for fraudulent lawsuits. They can also perceive themselves as above the law and endangering the brand is the only way to get through to them. Whether someone is accused of a crime or tort, there is still the burden of proof.
ok, last comment on the subject. astrogirl, we don't even know for sure that he went to his employers. Many seem ready to try, convict, and sentence John based on nothing more than what a man who is aiming for a financial settlement says. That's not justice; it's emotional mob mentality.
ReplyDeleteIf you've really been victimized and seek justice, the first stop an actual victim makes is the police, not Gloria Alred. Otherwise your credibility comes into serious question. There are just too many people with a scamming mentality out there. Ask the police, insurance companies, etc, you name it.
So... At least Travolta isn't racist?
ReplyDeleteNo one knows what really happened and we probably never will. I would be more inclined to believe someone who went to the police. Where there's smoke, there is fire and all of that, but something doesn't seem right here, at all.
ReplyDeleteAngel it clearly says that he reported it to his employers who did nothing.... You are in major denial.
ReplyDeleteIt's not unusual for a victim of sexual assault to avoid the police, but dont take my word for it, go read the statistics.
While you're there go read about the difficulties minority groups have when accusing rich, white people of crimes.
It sounds like what occurred or may have occurred was sexual harassment in the workplace. This would require reporting to the employer (which he did), not necessarily going to the police. If the employer, after being on notice of the situation, does nothing about it in future, then this guy could file a complaint with the EEOC. Obiviously, this guy looks like a big guy who can handle himself physically, but in the workplace there is obviously a power differential between an employee and a famous, rich customer.
ReplyDeleteWhy is John Travolta assaulting Ruben Studdard? Double yuck
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DeleteOh Angel. *sigh*
ReplyDeleteJohn Travolta loves his family !!! We love you John Travolta He’s a very sweet man.Unfortunately, bad things happen to good people. And John and Kelly are very good people.
ReplyDeletecheck http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7CuJDbCFMg
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ReplyDelete@ astrogirl, I'm not in denial. Yes, the article SAYS he went to his employer, but who is the article's source? HIM, and all we have is his word so far.
ReplyDelete"It's not unusual for a victim of sexual assault to avoid the police"
So it IS usual for a victim to go to Gloria Alred?
What I'm saying is if you want a payout, prove you deserve it, and all we have so far is the word of a man seeking money. You and a few others are ready to believe a stranger you don't even know because his accusation is a sexual matter. It's an emotional knee-jerk reaction and totally biased because you have already decided that John is guilty of everything this man says despite that fact that you haven't seen a shred of proof.
Angel, on these JT threads, it becomes incredibly clear WHO among us has a suffered sexual harassment, or molestation, or rape--You can identify us by our EMPATHY.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that your comments are so obtuse on the subject---You are a very lucky, and very rare woman (or person) not to have known sexual humiliation at the hands of someone more powerful. Concentrate on your good luck, and STOP COMMENTING about which you clearly have NO frame of reference!
It's easy to say what 'should' happen. This Armchair quarterbacking sexual assault---SMDH---don't keep digging, you clearly have NO IDEA how these things go down. So just stop trying to defend your ridiculous statements about what victims should do, you were called out on it and should apologize. 'man up' and stop twisting your original commentary, and just apologize for not having experience in this area.
Remember. You're very lucky to be so dumb on this subject.
Um, excuse me, but I have been sexually harassed.
ReplyDeleteIt's not surprising that you are quick to insult me (obtuse) and judge me (as not having a frame of reference and therefore not worthy to voice an opinion).
You are still assuming that what a total stranger says MUST BE TRUE because the matter is sexual. Vigilante justice isn't justice at all, be it a sexual matter or any other matter.
Libby I think dumb is the operative word here.
ReplyDeleteAngel you keep contradicting yourself. Go back and read my posts. I never said your precious John was guilty, I called you on your "victim shaming" and gave you some facts about sex based crimes and reporting thereof.
You say you dont believe the word of a stranger but guess what. Outside of your dreams JT doesn't know you either.
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ReplyDelete@angel - it's people like you that make these men feel ashamed to come forward... saying that because of their size, they could have fended it off if they really wanted to. That's all I'm going to say about this, but shame on you!
ReplyDeleteAwe jeeze, ok.. I am guilty of keeping an open mind until I know the FACTS, rather than presuming someone to be guilty based soley on what someone says, and therefore deserve to be an object of ridicule. Lovely.
ReplyDeleteI am not a Travolta fan BTW.
Actually, I'd like to add one more thing: assuming the defendant is innocent until proven guilty should not mean that the victim is guilty until proven innocent!
ReplyDelete@Cathy, we can't make a determination one way or the other without first hand knowledge of the FACTS which are sorely lacking in this case so far. All we have is what this man says occurred, and all I'm saying is that in and of itself isn't enough.
ReplyDelete@ astrogirl, you did precisely the same:
ReplyDelete"I never said your precious John was guilty"
Really?
"How can you say he is not a victim!!!"
The verbiage has become a sticking point because we really don't know for a fact what happened. I don't presume to judge you, so please extend the same courtesy to me. If we can't discuss this as adults, it's a waste of time.
@angel - your initial comments make it quite clear that you've already made a determination about the victim:
ReplyDelete"He certainly looks capable of fending off any advances, so why is he suing?
Oh yeah, money."
If only you could give him the same benefit of the doubt that you're giving JT....
Well, clearly what really matters is 'winning' the discussion rather than arguing the facts of the case or lack thereof, so I'm through. You win.
ReplyDeleteAngel here's a fact for you.
ReplyDeleteNone of Johns friends have come forward in his defense. That's right none.
Celebrities care about their image; haven't you asked yourself why no one will come forward to dispute this on his behalf.
Even Roman "the rapist" Polanski had celebrities come out in support for him.
That is a FACT that is hard to ignore.
OK now on to my comment.
How can you say he is not a victim!!. Clearly this is a reply to your "There are victims and there are "victims" comment. You called him a victim first, maybe you're not as sure of his innocence as you loudly protest.
@astrogirl, absolutely. I am no more convinced of John's innocence than I am of the accuser's truthfulness.
ReplyDeleteInteresting that now that everyone has seen his picture, a lot of people no longer believe him.
ReplyDeleteThen you ask why he didn't tell anyone other than his employers....
When I saw the picture, I thought he DID look like John's type...I could swear that I heard something about him and manly men. Either way, I don't find it odd that these guys are looking for $$, some lost their jobs and were probably too embarassed (or afraid of what people would think/say)to admit what had happened and go to the police or other resources.
ReplyDeleteAs for angel's comments, I understand where she (she?) is coming from. I think most people would find it hard to believe that a larger person who is trained in self defense wouldnt be able to fight off unwanted advances, and we havent seen proof that John actually committed the crimes that he is accussed of. I dont think that she meant what she said the way that so many have seemed to take the comments, and I think it's unfair and unkind to say some of the things that have been said.
Hi Lori, she, and thank you for making an effort to consider my comments in the context intended.
ReplyDeleteIt clearly can be an emotional topic, particularly for those who have been on the receiving end of some form of sexual abuse. We have a tendency to view things through the prism of our own experience which can make objectivity when discussing touchy issues difficult.
Your expression of understanding is much appreciated :)
The biggest thing I have a problem with is Angel saying that basically if you're a large, healthy person you should be able to fend off the attack.
ReplyDeletealso that the man in the photo looks none the worse for wear....as if a victim of a sexual crime should look a certain way for the crime to be believable.
Its akin to saying a rape victim is guilty herself if she were a strong woman who knows karate but couldn't fend off the perp or she can muster a smile after being raped therefore she hasn't suffered.
deeskwared, my comments about him were more of the tongue-in-cheek variety. Mentally I was pitting his hiring Gloria and $2 million lawsuit against the fact he did nothing about it for years and still hasn't gone to the police.
ReplyDeleteMy comments weren't akin to anything rape related. I'm sorry that you also feel the need to read into things.
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ReplyDeleteUpdate: Circus Edition (from TMZ)
ReplyDeleteThe lawyer who filed a lawsuit against John Travolta on behalf of two masseurs is suing Gloria Allred for allegedly stealing one of his clients, calling her an ambulance chaser and claiming "She ain't been in a courtroom in 20 years."
Okorie Okorocha just filed the lawsuit, claiming Gloria approached the second masseur -- John Doe #2 -- asking him to fire Okorocha and hire her.
Gloria just released a statement ... insisting she will file a counterclaim against Okorocha for defamation. "Mr. Okorocha's lawsuit will be dismissed, and we will ultimately recover a judgment against him."
Agree with astrogirl and libby. So you see the guy's photo and that changes things, does it? Strongly disagree with the statement 'If you've really been victimized and seek justice, the first stop an actual victim makes is the police, not Gloria Alred'. I have to think a host of factors would stop this man from going to the police to report....tendency to minimize once the employer didn't take it seriously, the thought of being laughed out of the police precinct, the male ego, possibility at the time of making front page news.. on and on. I don't fault this man for not going to the police at the time AT ALL.
ReplyDeleteI know someone who was assaulted and the justice system ripped us off from holding the perp accountable. It's human nature to take the next best thing, hitting someone in the pocket book. Sometimes that's all that's left for recourse. That's all that was left for Nicole Simpson's family, wasn't it. And based on my own personal experience mentioned above, it's not quite justice but it does in some way validate. A judge says pay up, and that in some small way makes me think 'thank you for acknowledging this was wrong' in the only way you can.
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