The NY Post has quite the story about Moonstruck writer John Patrick Shanley, 61, who won an Academy Award for his writing on Moonstruck and Amanda Jencsik, who is 26 and suing the writer for $5M after he came within inches of ending her life. The thing is this relationship lasted over four months and they had violent sex every single time yet she always came back for more violent sex. I understand her suing the guy if this was a one time thing and she never came back, but do you get to sue someone for damages if you are willingly going to get these damages done to you. You need to read the whole Post article, but basically, the couple met online. They went out a few months later and had sex. They then had a date, but Shanley showed up late and drunk and instead of going out she says that he forcibly sodomized her. So, if she stops right there, calls the police for rape and sues the guy, then I understand. She did not though. Amanda, who is an actress, went out with him again and had violent sex, although this time apparently it was not forced, but Shanley did choke her. In her suit, Amanda says that she has permanent damage to her bowel as a result of the sex.
Hmmm, let's see. They met on FB in 2009, "dated" in 2010, and she's suing now, two years later?
ReplyDeleteShe was so traumatized that it took her two years to sue? The article says: Jencsik claimed she never went to authorities because of her mental state and because she was afraid of him.
Just another one after some bitchass money
ReplyDeletehe's her Christian Grey and she's his Ana
ReplyDeleteRape is rape. I doesn't matter if she consented later - maybe he promised her a role and she was desperate, but her poor decision after the rape doesn't in any way cancel out that he initially raped her and damaged her bowel (if that is indeed what happened). In our society, women put up with a lot of sexual harassment and assault (having our butts and boobs grabbed), yet most of us don't report it because it's so common and so many of us were raised to believe this is something we as women just need to put up with - and if it happens to us, it's our fault because we are responsible for our "virtue" - men will be men.
ReplyDeleteThat's my argument, but I look forward to reading and learning from others' thoughts on this.
Why would you keep going back to a man who RAPED you? I could see going back once to Bobbitize him but repeatedly???
ReplyDeleteHe sort of looks like the guy from Perfect Strangers-- Balki's cousin.Mark Linn-Baker can play this creep in the Lifetime movie, but who can play her??
@FrenchGirl I just read those books! The author just got paid 4 million for movie rights.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure Lindsay Lohan is drooling to take the part of Ana.
This is what happens when you don't have a BDSM contract.
She says she was afraid of him because he was a former marine and knew how to Google her. Uh huh. So she sat on this for two years. OK. I'm sorry if she's hurt, but come on. I smell someone who needs some cash. And is a crazy fool as well.
ReplyDeleteI must be such a "square" (especially if I use the word, "square"). I didn't get the memo on how sex was supposed to incorporate pain, violence, fetishes, swinging, threeways, weird objects, etc, etc. I thought it was for affection or procreative purposes. Silly me!
ReplyDeleteI'm really conflicted about this. I was in a situation at one point in time in which I was "coerced" into having sex with someone, and to this day (and that was at least ten years ago), I can't decide if I would call it rape or not.
ReplyDeleteSo I can see it taking a few years to make up your mind/getting the nerve to proceed with the case. Rape is hard enough to prove at the best of times, let alone when the circumstances of the situation appear to be murky. And in her case, she is probably kissing any thought of a career in show biz goodbye as well.
Or maybe she is just after money.
Isn't this the guy who wrote "Doubt" about the priest that had sex with (or molested) a young boy? Maybe Shanley had his own experience with violent sex as a kid. Doesn't excuse his behavior at all, though. What a creep.
ReplyDeleteThe good thing is that this scumdog has been outed as a sadist and violent low life. Mission accomplished......in my mind anyway.
ReplyDeleteA friend of mine was in one of these FB relationships with him a few years ago. She used to show me the messages he would send her and I personally found them revolting but she was totally intoxicated. (She was an actress) He's very flowery in his language and tells insecure women just what they want to hear, plus, for actresses (no offense to any reading this but having been in the representation part of the business for 7 years I've seen some common traits) there's appeal in the power he has (or had) in the business. No one should have sex against their will but like Enty and others said, if it was against your will, STOP TAKING HIS CALLS AND MEETING UP WITH HIM. Thankfully, my friend never did. I think deep down SHE even knew there was something creepy about him.
ReplyDeleteThe part creeping me out is the bowel damage.
ReplyDeleteShee-itt. Ouch! (no pun intended...)
This could be a case of battered women's syndrome. She stayed, she knew it wasn't right, but she still stayed (Look at Rhianna).
ReplyDeleteOr even if you have consented before, you can choose to say no the next time something is offered to you. Just because she allowed it initially, doesn't prevent her from saying no the next time around.
Everyone has there own kinks when it comes to having sex, but something that is suppose to be pleasurable shouldn't cause permanent damage.
Maybe it's from reading all the horrible cases of rape and abuse to women in the news lately ( the Ukraine rape scandal - look up Oksana Makar, or stories in the middle East where rape victims are forced to marry their rapist in order to prevent them from going to jail) I have so much sympathy for all these victims out there and I tend to believe them before I believe the accussed (especially when it involves an older man with a lot of pull in Hollywood).
These things piss me off.
ReplyDeleteJust because things didn't work out the way she thought they might she's suing for MILLIONS???
I read the story in the Post (which Enty summarized pretty well) and I think this stuff is BS. SHE put herself in that position over and over. Please.
Agree with Casey, this story leaves me feeling conflicted.
ReplyDeleteAbout 10 years ago, I was also "coerced" into having sex with a guy that I was sort of into, but knew he didn't feel the same. This went on for almost a year; looking back, some of the things he said or did were incredibly degrading, but I think I kept it up because I did enjoy the sex (sort of) and I was dependent on him. After it ended, I just chalked it up to my 18 month drinking like a fish "girls gone wild" stage and being a 19 year old idiot. But it was definitely not a healthy "relationship."
Would I sue the guy? No. It was consensual. Stupid, but consensual.
Maybe these two just needed a better safe word.
If she has permanent damage, there may well be a case. There's a small margin between consentual play vs. one party going over acceptable limits, and that margin can lead to permanent damage. I've always enjoyed John Patrick Shanley's plays and scripts. I don't care he's into S&M, I just hope he's not capable of this alleged careless disregard towards a human being.
ReplyDeleteHmmm, I'm surprised he's not gay!
ReplyDelete(and I think she's just after the money here b/c if you don't like it rough, you don't go back after the first choke-out for more)
**agree also w/cornbread
I don't consider it "rape" if she decided she liked it enough to go back for more. Then I consider it being introduced to something I didn't think I'd like and if it wasn't for this person enlightening me, I'd never know. I'd never know about these things if I never met up with strange men from the internet. See how this is a chain? A stranger following her home in a dark alley would be a totally different circumstance.
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ReplyDeleteYou guys:
ReplyDeleteThis was an S&M relationship! Read up on it. It means that there are often limits crossed in terms of sex and pain and bondage and whatnot.
I.E. NOT normal sex, so stop thinking of it like that.
It makes total sense to me that this could happen after 4 months of dating. In that type of reltionship, pushing boundaries is the norm and sometimes they can be pushed too far and real damage can happen. So perhaps in this case the sex play got to be so much he permenantly hurt her bowels, and thus she's suing.
You can go back for the pain (because perhaps this gave her pleasure in some way) or the dominance games BUT when real damage happens, it's not okay and this is why she's suing.
He has the biggest case of Gay Face I've ever seen. Hunh.
ReplyDeleteAn actress here in Australia called Brooke Satchwell had been getting abused by her boyfriend, Matthew Newton, but took years to charge him because he came from a famous showbiz family and she thought that her career would be over. She went to court and won (it was physical assault), but his conviction was overturned so it wouldn't ruin his career. Post that he dated another actress and assaulted her, this time he didn't get off and has steadily disintegrated in front of everyone. He has serious mental health issues that never got addressed originally due to his getting off the first time. Maybe she was equally worried that if she did something about it, nothing would come of it.
ReplyDeleteI read a book a few years ago about a woman who married the man who raped her. It was date rape and she thought that she this is what men did.
ReplyDeleteWhat I also wanted to say is that some women and men don't understand the concept of rape. They think using force is OK, almost something that's natural. I don't know if she just wants money or if she is mentally ill, but she could be one of those people that just doesn't understand what rape is.
ReplyDeleteFeraltart; the other actress he beat up was Rachel Taylor. He's a prick.
ReplyDeleteWell, this is a civil case, and I agree that she's got a tough row to hoe to prove her case. The things that many of you have been mentioning would be in the heads of the jury, if it got that far, and she would have a difficult time proving her case, even if she has really, honest-to-goodness, permanent injuries directly traceable to this event, she's unlikely to win.
ReplyDeleteJuries do not give women the benefit of the doubt when it comes to anything to do with their sexy bits.
From conversations with my Gyno (unsolicited, btw), over time there IS permanent bowel damage (aka normal wear and tear) so I really think the details of exactly what she has (scar tissue from forced tearing versus simple sphincter incontinence from overuse over a long period of time) is imperative to know whether she has a forcible rape case. The next issue in her case is whether the injury was sustained by HIM or by another partner later down the line. I could understand if she was scared of him...if she *hadn't* already had a consensual submissive relationship with him for a significant period of time. Surely they had figured out their boundaries by then, right?
ReplyDeleteI dunno. I loathe victim blaming...but she has a pretty big mountain to climb to prove her case.
This is messed up!! Maybe she just came out of her stupor and realized how wrong the behavior was. They both need help.
ReplyDeleteMatthew Newton doesn't have any real mental problems. He has meth problems - very much like Ben Cousins (former aussie rules football player who has gone completely loopy)
ReplyDeleteSince this is/was an S&M relationship, it's hard to say what really happened. If she is a sub, then she might have got off on the pain. She should have quit early though.
ReplyDeleteI met him in NYC a while ago and got the creepiest vibe ever from him - have never forgotten it. There's something absolutely not right about this man. Also, look at the age difference: he picked someone who was younger, vulnerable, easy to coerce. This is a really horrible story.
ReplyDeleteI agree Zelda.
ReplyDeleteCould this have anything to do with the recent A list academy award winner blinds?
ReplyDeleteHe wrote and directed Joe VS. The Volcano starring Tom Hanks, Meg Ryan, Lloyd Bridges.
ReplyDeleteCarol Kane was in J vs Volcano. Different voice.
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