Unfortunately most of our protective laws are created after the fact. There are only so many situations you can anticipate in advance, and most of us take it for granted that a human being would file a missing child report (unless of course said human knows exactly which bush the child is hidden under and thus doesn't consider her to be 'missing' and I use the term 'human' loosely in this specific case).
Oh hey, for those of you that paid close attention to the child killer's trial, was she ever subjected to a full psyche eval by the prosecution?
@FS that is a good question, I would assume so but it would be interesting to find out. I'm sure they would find a whole lot of nutty goodness (or badness) going on there in that head of hers but the thing that screams out at me the most is the raging narcissism going on there.
Slightly off topic is that every time I see a picture of Caylee it strikes me that if Casey didn't want to be bothered with her, there would have been an endless stream of people who would have adopted her. Why couldn't she have just admitted she didn't want to be a mother and let her stay alive and go to a family that would have welcomed her? This was all so tragically unneccessary. Even if she had just given her to Cindy, who I have no kind words for, it would have been better than how things worked out.
Voice, her ego wouldn't have allowed her to acknowledge failure by giving her kid up for adoption. She's a sociopath with narcissistic tendencies (I'm totally assuming).
Either way, I hope she goes through life with strangers shouting "Child Killer!" at her as she walks down the street.
I couldn't click on this fast enough, thank you Enty for posting this! I also shared it on Facebook. I'm sure this petition will have enough signatures by the end of the day. And I hope Casey rots in hell.
I couldn't click on this fast enough, thank you Enty for posting this! I also shared it on Facebook. I'm sure this petition will have enough signatures by the end of the day. And I hope Casey rots in hell.
and normally I wouldn't say much about Oklahoma and our legislature, but a representative here is the one who started this. (at least one of them anyway because I know it's been discussed on the news here that it will be on next sessions agenda).
Thanks to those who have signed. Truly a sad situation.
this is so fucking ridiculous. if you don't report your child missing, then there's something very, very wrong. we really need a law to tell us that?????
I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but why would someone report their child missing if the child died in an accident and the parent knew about it. Let's assume, just for a second, that Anthony isn't lying. Caylee died by drowning in the family pool (this happens ridiculously often in Florida, btw). Why would she report the child missing?
So, how about making it a crime not to report the accidental death of a minor.
Fawn, from what I've read, the people doing the real work on getting this law going included that too.
I know everyone's heart is in the right place, but online petitions are practically useless, and it doesn't make sense to have it addressed to the Federal government when it should be a State law.
Casey maybe technically free but she's not going to live a good life. Everywhere she goes for the rest of her life people will be calling her child murderer, child killer, baby killer and so forth. She won't be able to walk out the door. After a while of that she'll crack. Her life is pretty much over.
Actually, they moved her release to July 17th, I think. My understanding is that Congress has no Constitutional power to make something a crime -- it's something that must be done at the state level. So each state would need to have legislators write and present a law and get it passed before sending it on to the governor. Here in Texas, the legislature is breaking up right now and only meets every other year. So I don't know how long it could be before something were to happen here. The petition is a great idea, but it doesn't really do anything except register the signers' outrage at the verdict. What's the over/under on how long it will take Casey to do porn - or at least a nude pictorial?
Texshan-you are absolutely right. The federal government has no constitutional power to pass this. It is not within the enumerated powers. People should be petitioning their states instead. Enty, you're a lawyer, you should know this!
I absolutely have to disagree with Mooshki re: online petitions. I sign at least 2-3 PER DAY via my network of animal activists, and I would say of the 800 or so I've signed in the last 2 years, there are at LEAST 100 that have worked and pressured the targets (often public companies, pet stores, societies, organizations) to change. Government petitions are obviously more complicated, but they get the attention of individual members, and I know of several MPs up here that have taken on our causes thanks to petitions. Signing a petition takes 10 seconds of your times and is NEVER a waste, in my opinion. Further, I cannot describe the incredible feeling of success and satisfaction when a petition succeeds and you know you've been an agent to effect positive change. Even if you don't think signing a petition is worth it, it is worth it to those you're signing FOR.
Before we pass any more laws, let's re-evaluate our priorities. The fact is, most people will report their child missing ASAP, so the purpose in passing this law is mainly to make a bunch of people pissed off by the Casey Anthony verdict feel a little better. That's not a reason to create a law.
Also, you can't have this culture that is outraged by birth control and abortion/a woman's choice to the point of restricting access at every turn, and then act shocked and outraged when kids end up with parents who simply did not plan for them or want them, so they either abuse &/or neglect them (or worse) or dump them off at Social Services. This law will not prevent these sorts of parents from not reporting their kids missing.
MadLyb - agree with your second paragraph, but re: the first, I think the thought is that if the law were in existence, Casey would have been convicted of that, too, and hopefully done a couple of more years.
@RQ -- "I cannot describe the incredible feeling of success and satisfaction when a petition succeeds and you know you've been an agent to effect positive change. Even if you don't think signing a petition is worth it, it is worth it to those you're signing FOR."
YESSSSS!!! I've been tearfully jubilant when petitions I've signed have partly led to positive reform of causes close to my heart. I feel as if I spend so much time despairing about things that I deem cruel and unjust, but it's nice to know that there are thousands of other likeminded people out there who want change just as much as you, you know? And petitions aren't useless! They really work!
I'm gonna sound like a cliched afterschool special right now, but I don't give a shit: one person really CAN make a difference.
@MadLyb -- "Also, you can't have this culture that is outraged by birth control and abortion/a woman's choice to the point of restricting access at every turn, and then act shocked and outraged when kids end up with parents who simply did not plan for them or want them, so they either abuse &/or neglect them (or worse) or dump them off at Social Services."
Right now, I love you as much as it's possible to love a complete stranger.
I'm still blown away that Casey got no jail time (other than time served). It's hard to take all of this in. I still can't wrap my head around how Caylee's body was dumped - accident or no. Every time I see Casey smile or smirk, it actually hurts my heart.
PS I used to be John but now for some reason I am "Unknown"
Fawn, to piggyback on what you're saying, why isn't Casey being charged for more than just lying to the cops? She led the police on for months and had their investigation & search teams all over the place. Can't the city sue her for the cost of the investigation since she could have come forward with the "drowning story" from the beginning?
rose, they are planning on suing her for about a half a mil- the cost of the search.
there's also a volunteer trying to sue for 100k, claiming that's what it cost him to volunteer for it. i kinda disagree tho- you can't volunteer your time and then send a bill cuz you don't like the outcome. and how the hell does it cost you 100k over 6 months to volunteer for something like that? does not compute, but whatevs.
@RQ I followed your lead ! I am an Australian but this is too important not to be able to get our signatures on. Hmm my "American" address is 1600 Pennsylvania Ave....
Why does it always take the death of a child to create laws protecting children? Jesus.
ReplyDeleteCanadians can't sign, so I told them I'm from Washington :)
ReplyDeleteI find it absurd that it isn't already a crime!!! They could have got her on that!!!!
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ReplyDeleteRQ- I love you.
ReplyDeleteI said I was from Idaho! *L*
ReplyDelete@Rocket Queen -- sometimes, it's not wrong to fib. :-)
ReplyDelete@Vicki -- I completely agree, but at least something good might come out of this whole terrible situation.
I'm glad Caylee's name is attached to this petition. SHE'S the one who deserves to be remembered -- not her shitbag mother.
Unfortunately most of our protective laws are created after the fact. There are only so many situations you can anticipate in advance, and most of us take it for granted that a human being would file a missing child report (unless of course said human knows exactly which bush the child is hidden under and thus doesn't consider her to be 'missing' and I use the term 'human' loosely in this specific case).
ReplyDeleteOh hey, for those of you that paid close attention to the child killer's trial, was she ever subjected to a full psyche eval by the prosecution?
children are treated like property not people. It has to change.
ReplyDelete@FS that is a good question, I would assume so but it would be interesting to find out. I'm sure they would find a whole lot of nutty goodness (or badness) going on there in that head of hers but the thing that screams out at me the most is the raging narcissism going on there.
ReplyDeleteSlightly off topic is that every time I see a picture of Caylee it strikes me that if Casey didn't want to be bothered with her, there would have been an endless stream of people who would have adopted her. Why couldn't she have just admitted she didn't want to be a mother and let her stay alive and go to a family that would have welcomed her? This was all so tragically unneccessary. Even if she had just given her to Cindy, who I have no kind words for, it would have been better than how things worked out.
Voice, her ego wouldn't have allowed her to acknowledge failure by giving her kid up for adoption. She's a sociopath with narcissistic tendencies (I'm totally assuming).
ReplyDeleteEither way, I hope she goes through life with strangers shouting "Child Killer!" at her as she walks down the street.
I couldn't click on this fast enough, thank you Enty for posting this! I also shared it on Facebook. I'm sure this petition will have enough signatures by the end of the day. And I hope Casey rots in hell.
ReplyDeleteI couldn't click on this fast enough, thank you Enty for posting this! I also shared it on Facebook. I'm sure this petition will have enough signatures by the end of the day. And I hope Casey rots in hell.
ReplyDelete@Vicki
ReplyDeleteAgreed. I don't usually think this way but I would shed no tears if some street justice was visited upon her.
Who would have imagined that a law like this was even necessary? It never would have occured to me that a parent WOULDN'T report a missing child!
ReplyDeleteand normally I wouldn't say much about Oklahoma and our legislature, but a representative here is the one who started this. (at least one of them anyway because I know it's been discussed on the news here that it will be on next sessions agenda).
ReplyDeleteThanks to those who have signed. Truly a sad situation.
this is so fucking ridiculous. if you don't report your child missing, then there's something very, very wrong. we really need a law to tell us that?????
ReplyDeleteI know I'm going to get flamed for this, but why would someone report their child missing if the child died in an accident and the parent knew about it. Let's assume, just for a second, that Anthony isn't lying. Caylee died by drowning in the family pool (this happens ridiculously often in Florida, btw). Why would she report the child missing?
ReplyDeleteSo, how about making it a crime not to report the accidental death of a minor.
Just sayin'...
Fawn, from what I've read, the people doing the real work on getting this law going included that too.
ReplyDeleteI know everyone's heart is in the right place, but online petitions are practically useless, and it doesn't make sense to have it addressed to the Federal government when it should be a State law.
Casey maybe technically free but she's not going to live a good life. Everywhere she goes for the rest of her life people will be calling her child murderer, child killer, baby killer and so forth. She won't be able to walk out the door. After a while of that she'll crack. Her life is pretty much over.
ReplyDeleteWho cares. Florida is deprived of another future striper, and walmart shopper who would live off the goverment and making more babies. Good tiddance
ReplyDeleteWho cares. Florida is deprived of another future striper, and walmart shopper who would live off the goverment and making more babies. Good tiddance
ReplyDelete@Kimberly -- you DO know that Casey is still alive, right? I REALLY hope you're not talking about Caylee right now...
ReplyDeleteIsnt casey in jail for four more years at least
ReplyDeleteCasey gets out on the 17th.
ReplyDeleteIm predicting someone will kill her in jail
ReplyDeleteDidnt she get another four years for lying to the police
ReplyDelete@ Lauren - actually she gets out next Wednesday, July 13th.
ReplyDeleteI seriously hope that she is followed around on a constant basis by people who scream at her. She deserves no peace at all.
@JasonBlueEyes - That thought makes me gleefully happy.
ReplyDeleteThanks for posting, Enty.
Actually, they moved her release to July 17th, I think.
ReplyDeleteMy understanding is that Congress has no Constitutional power to make something a crime -- it's something that must be done at the state level. So each state would need to have legislators write and present a law and get it passed before sending it on to the governor. Here in Texas, the legislature is breaking up right now and only meets every other year. So I don't know how long it could be before something were to happen here.
The petition is a great idea, but it doesn't really do anything except register the signers' outrage at the verdict.
What's the over/under on how long it will take Casey to do porn - or at least a nude pictorial?
Texshan-you are absolutely right. The federal government has no constitutional power to pass this. It is not within the enumerated powers. People should be petitioning their states instead. Enty, you're a lawyer, you should know this!
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ReplyDeleteI absolutely have to disagree with Mooshki re: online petitions. I sign at least 2-3 PER DAY via my network of animal activists, and I would say of the 800 or so I've signed in the last 2 years, there are at LEAST 100 that have worked and pressured the targets (often public companies, pet stores, societies, organizations) to change. Government petitions are obviously more complicated, but they get the attention of individual members, and I know of several MPs up here that have taken on our causes thanks to petitions.
ReplyDeleteSigning a petition takes 10 seconds of your times and is NEVER a waste, in my opinion. Further, I cannot describe the incredible feeling of success and satisfaction when a petition succeeds and you know you've been an agent to effect positive change. Even if you don't think signing a petition is worth it, it is worth it to those you're signing FOR.
Before we pass any more laws, let's re-evaluate our priorities. The fact is, most people will report their child missing ASAP, so the purpose in passing this law is mainly to make a bunch of people pissed off by the Casey Anthony verdict feel a little better. That's not a reason to create a law.
ReplyDeleteAlso, you can't have this culture that is outraged by birth control and abortion/a woman's choice to the point of restricting access at every turn, and then act shocked and outraged when kids end up with parents who simply did not plan for them or want them, so they either abuse &/or neglect them (or worse) or dump them off at Social Services. This law will not prevent these sorts of parents from not reporting their kids missing.
MadLyb - agree with your second paragraph, but re: the first, I think the thought is that if the law were in existence, Casey would have been convicted of that, too, and hopefully done a couple of more years.
ReplyDelete@RQ -- "I cannot describe the incredible feeling of success and satisfaction when a petition succeeds and you know you've been an agent to effect positive change. Even if you don't think signing a petition is worth it, it is worth it to those you're signing FOR."
ReplyDeleteYESSSSS!!! I've been tearfully jubilant when petitions I've signed have partly led to positive reform of causes close to my heart. I feel as if I spend so much time despairing about things that I deem cruel and unjust, but it's nice to know that there are thousands of other likeminded people out there who want change just as much as you, you know? And petitions aren't useless! They really work!
I'm gonna sound like a cliched afterschool special right now, but I don't give a shit: one person really CAN make a difference.
@MadLyb --
"Also, you can't have this culture that is outraged by birth control and abortion/a woman's choice to the point of restricting access at every turn, and then act shocked and outraged when kids end up with parents who simply did not plan for them or want them, so they either abuse &/or neglect them (or worse) or dump them off at Social Services."
Right now, I love you as much as it's possible to love a complete stranger.
I'm still blown away that Casey got no jail time (other than time served). It's hard to take all of this in. I still can't wrap my head around how Caylee's body was dumped - accident or no. Every time I see Casey smile or smirk, it actually hurts my heart.
ReplyDeletePS I used to be John but now for some reason I am "Unknown"
Fawn, to piggyback on what you're saying, why isn't Casey being charged for more than just lying to the cops? She led the police on for months and had their investigation & search teams all over the place. Can't the city sue her for the cost of the investigation since she could have come forward with the "drowning story" from the beginning?
ReplyDeleterose, they are planning on suing her for about a half a mil- the cost of the search.
ReplyDeletethere's also a volunteer trying to sue for 100k, claiming that's what it cost him to volunteer for it. i kinda disagree tho- you can't volunteer your time and then send a bill cuz you don't like the outcome. and how the hell does it cost you 100k over 6 months to volunteer for something like that? does not compute, but whatevs.
@RQ
ReplyDeleteI followed your lead !
I am an Australian but this is too important not to be able to get our signatures on.
Hmm my "American" address is 1600 Pennsylvania Ave....
As for those of you who think her life will be hell from now on - in Sweden, we recently had a similar case where a man went to the press and had tearful interviews about his missing fiancée. They found him next to her body in the forest, but he claimed to know nothing about it and said he had been kidnapped by the Chinese mafia (!?). Everyone knew he was lying, but he walked free. Everyone also said he could never live a normal life, but nothing happened. He probably lives a really great life right now.
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