Thursday, July 22, 2010

Today's Blind Items - Old Hollywood Blind Item

This Academy Award winning actor was always portrayed as Mr. Tough Guy. Later in life he managed to irritate a great number of people by some things he said and did. Earlier in life he probably made some other people upset with his fondness for sleeping with underage boys and girls. Often at the same time.


102 comments:

  1. Totally Charlton Heston.

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  2. Heston's a great answer. I'm with Amelia.
    Second guess: Lee Marvin.

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  3. John Wayne and Marlon Brando both had a thing for exotic looking women. Don't think it's them. However, I am really loving the Heston guess.

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  4. Heston is a great guess. Not sure if Clint Eastwood qualifies as Old Hollywood, but his name was the first to come to mind.

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  5. Brando.
    I remember hearing about his penchant for underage girls and boys somewhere.

    Also, he pissed EVERYOne off with that stunt at the Oscars.

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  6. Charlton Heston? Really?

    I was going to suggest Peter Sellers but he was only a Oscar nominee, not a winner.

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  7. Heston was the first guess. Thinking of the things he said with the NRA after Columbine.

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  8. Heston is a GREAT guess. I'm all over it.

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  9. Whoever it is, is a sick fuck.

    I was thinking Charlton Heston to with all his NRA nonesense & the Michael Moore scandal for the Bowling for Columbine documentary.

    from wiki: Michael Moore visited Charlton Heston in his home and asked him why he kept loaded firearms there, then why Canada and Western European countries have less handgun violence than the United States.

    Heston's response to the latter question included the suggestion that the United States had a "history of violence" and more "mixed ethnicity" than these other countries. Moore then asked Heston if he'd like to apologize for leading NRA rallies in Flint after the Buell Elementary School shooting, and in Littleton after the Columbine shooting, upon which Heston walked out of the interview.

    BTW After that interview Heston claimed he had prostate cancer & Alzheimers. Charlton died of neither of cancer or alzheimers but of pnuemonia.

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  10. My first thought was Heston! Also, gross.

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  11. Anonymous2:14 PM

    It surprises me on new info on some of the old Hollywood actors/actress.

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  12. Heston or Brando. Tho Brando was the more eccentric of the 2.

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  13. I never know the answers to these, but Charlton Heston immediately sprang to mind.

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  15. i'm gonna throw out George C. Scott for shits 'n giggles.

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  16. Charlton Heston here too.

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  17. Heston makes more sense here. Brando's "secret" life wasn't much of a secret and not all his roles were tough guy types. Heston always had that bare-chested overly macho swagger.

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  18. Charlton Heston sprang immediately to mind- came to check if others agreed!

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  19. Tony Curtis....has a propensity for spewing crap about anyone, including daughter Jamie Lee, has pissed a few people off in the last few years--he was always a tough guy, too.

    Like the Heston guess a bit better, though.

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  20. I don't think it's Heston.
    His rampant homophobia was discussed in the documentary The Celluloid Closet. The documentary says that in Ben Hur there was an implied homosexual crush that Ben Hur's best friend had on him. The director knew not to tell Heston about it, but the actor Stephen Boyd was directed to look longingly at him in several scenes. If Heston's found out about it, he would have put a stop to it.

    I like the Kirk Douglas idea.

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  21. I like the Heston guess but am still thinking Eastwood- as another blogger said, his name also was the first to come to mind. Don't know him well enough to know if/what topic he has peeved people off. Can't get tougher than Dirty Harry "go ahead make my day". Would be absolutely gobsmacked if this was him. Gee the old Hollywood PR people kept things hidden much better than they do these days LOL.

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  22. Marlon Brando for the win. There were rumors of him sleeping with anything that moved, specifically boys.

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  23. Puh-leeze this one is so obvious: it's Mel Gibson, people!

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  24. Robert Duvall is an Oscar winner and he's in the Random Photos.

    I remember once earing about how he expected actresses and other women on movie sets to drop to their knees and blow him. Maybe he's a perv who likes kids, too?

    (If it's him, I can't believe Boo Radley is a perv!)

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  25. Do you remember that Mel Gibson won the Oscar for best director?

    Anyway, I agree about Heston but there are things that are taken out of context, especially regarding the Michael Moore interview.
    Heston may not be the racist depicted in the interview. Actually, Heston was on the front line for civil rights during the '60s. He spent lots of time with Martin Luther King and narrated a documentary about his life.
    When Moore interviewed him, he was already a shadow of his former self and was slow witted. And remember that there were lots of edits in the interview and that Moore is far from being objective. Heston denounced the the version Moore showed as being a travesty of his point. As a European, it's hard for me to agree with Charlton Heston's views on guns but I also think that Moore can be dishonest (it's no coincidence if Roger & Me, The Big One and Bowling for Columbine conclude by a confrontation with some "lead villain" and Farenheit 911 is basically a remake in the documentary style of Canadian Bacon, his sole fiction film).

    But, yes, Charlton Heston all the way. Tony Curtis would confuse many gaydars (including mine) and he didn't get many people angry about things he said.

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  26. charlton heston FOR SURE.

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  27. Well, if this wasn't an "old Hollywood" blind, I would have said Mel Gibson.

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  28. Well, after discussing this with my boyfriend (first time I thought he might know a blind), who happens to be an encylopedia of usless knowledge. I'm going to have to say:

    Marlon Brando FTW

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  29. My first thought was Lee Marvin, no idea why but he did win an Oscar.

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  30. @Mango - Holy Crap!! I never knew Duvall played Boo Radley. I actually had to look that up. Geez, you learn something new everyday... Thanks!!

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  31. I don't recall him offending people more in later life than along the way... but what about Laker loving Jack?!

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  32. we're talking old hollywood----as in dead people. jack's way too young for this blind.

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  33. Anonymous3:22 PM

    The terms they use like "was portrayed" and "Later in life he managED" lead me to believe its someone who is deceased.

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  34. This is John Wayne. He really pissed a lot of people off later in life, and the early sex-capades would be a big shock. Brando was pretty out with his shenanagens and was not really a "tough guy". This is John Wayne all the way.

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  35. OLD hollywood, folks.
    and not john wayne. our boat was near his (yacht), when it was still a tight community. the local gossip would have killed his career.
    but when enty says old hollywood, i think we need to look further back.

    a fun sidenote: @ ten years or so ago, my pretend sister was t-boned by a corvette in santa clarita (CA, near six flags, sorta). she drives a jeep, so there were no injuries, and at the time she swore the other driver must have been drunk. found out later, of course the other driver was in early stage dementia/alzheimers.
    the other driver?
    charlton heston.
    robert duvall has a huge range, not mr. tough guy.
    same with nicholson.
    i'm thinking more jack webb, edward g. robinson, bogart, or cagney.
    hope this one is revealed, because other names come to mind but since i suck at guessing anyway...

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  36. Anonymous3:47 PM

    Gregory Peck.

    He diddled both Scout and Boo Radley on the set of "To Kill A Mockingbird".

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  37. @amazonblue - if Heston was a rampant homophobe, then he is my guess. I can't tell you how many homophobes have hit on my gay friends when no one is looking. I wouldn't put it past him to sleep with children - he filmed in a lot of exotic places where he would have access and no one would blink an eye.

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  38. Anonymous4:05 PM

    {the local gossip would have killed his career.}

    "Local" gossip would not have killed an Old Hwood type's, Heston, Wayne, etc. career. Those old stars, 1960s and earlier, could kill someone and the studio heads would have helped covered it up as long as they were an esteemed actor or the public adored them.

    Wayne or Heston.

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  39. Anonymous4:10 PM

    Old Hollywood - I lived through a lot of that. I don't think we thought of Charlton Heston as a tough guy. John Wayne was, and Lee Marvin and Robert Mitchum. Not to mention Bogey.

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  40. @ The Real Icecat, the scene in To Kill A Mockingbird when Boo is revealed hiding behind the door, and Scout tilts her head and says, "Well hey, Boo!" is my favorite scene in the movie. Different from the book but so well done. I think it was Duvall's first movie role.

    @Moogybaby, Nooooooo, it can't be Gregory Peck! Not after he charmed me (and Audrey Hepburn)in Roman Holiday! Peck recognized Hepburn's performance as star-making material and insisted on giving her top billing. *sighs*

    If it's old, old Hollywood, what about Charlie Chaplin? He won an Oscar and loooooved the young girls. Maybe boys, too?

    Charlie Chaplin for the win!


    (And thank you, Dad, for making us watch all old those old B&W movies with you on Sundays.)

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  41. Oh wait, scratch that. Chaplin was hardly known as a tough guy. But I still think he was a perv!! lol

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  42. OK. I'm going OLD Hollywood and say Charlie Chaplin. He po'd people by his political views and his wives were young and supposedly his affairs were just as young as the teenagers he married if not younger.

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  43. Errol Flynn. Tough guy. Last movie was pro-Castro. Pissed people off with his pre-Roman Polanski penchant for teenage girls. That is well known, but this blind implies pre-teen pedophilia. Errol Flynn. Hope this is revealed so all of you who have maligned Gregory Peck and Charlton Heston can eat crow.

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  44. Flynn was prosecuted for schtupping underage girls in 1943.
    Based on the BI, whoever this is never faced the authorities.
    Additionally, Flynn never received an Oscar. So, Errol is cleared in my book.
    That being said, my vote is for Brando.

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  45. Wish guesses: Ronald Reagan, Arnold Schwarzenegger, or Robert Blake. Other possibilities (I know, I know, they're not all Oscar winners): William Shatner, Tom Selleck, Charles Bronson, Chuck Connors, Chuck Norris,Telly Savalas, Steve Forrest, Efrem Zimbalist, Jr., Neville Brand, Robert Stack, Jack Webb, Jack Lord, David Janssen, Broderick Crawford, Kirk Douglas, James Cagney, Rod Steiger, Kooky guesses: George Reeves, Bella Lugosi, or Boris Karloff.

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  47. @Moogybaby: Bite your tongue!

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  48. I was thinking Jack Palance too, but we all know that Errol Flynn was gay, gay, gay!

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  49. I like Michael Moore, but I don't think his treatment of Charlton Heston was called for.

    I'm Team Brando. His Wild One persona was tough enough. And everyone has heard the underage stories (only one of the reasons I've never been able to tolerate him).

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  50. Did Dennis Hopper win an Academy Award? He sprang instantly to mind. He ticked off a lot of his old liberal buddies later in life when he became a big-time Republican. I can see him being attracted to the young ones of both sexes back in drug-taking days. Plus, back in the sixties/early seventies there were lots of teenagers who dropped out, tuned in, and turned on that were available for whatever with whomever. Hopper has played some tough guys and was always thought to be pretty unstable.

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  51. I don't have a good guess, but I'm gonna rule out Lee Marvin because I know tons of people who knew him and he was a man's man through and through and he charmed everyone he met in real life, especially the ladies.

    Also Tony Curtis, because I met him and the way he lovingly gazed at my cleavage (not lecherously, but in an admiring way) couldn't have been faked because we met in a professional capacity.

    I had the pleasure of knowing Robert Mitchum and while he was wild in his youth, he also was a charmer in real life and much loved.

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  52. Ok I am finally gonna speak up after lurking for years! I think you all are the most intelligent commenters on any blog by the way!

    I really think this is Clint Eastwood. He is Old Hollywood for sure, was always unfaithful, has 7 children to 5 different women and susposedly forced Sondra Locke to have 2 abortions. He was also in a movie where the whole underage girl theme is explored and is very outspoken about his political beliefs,etc. Plus, he is the most macho character of all time!

    I love him and it pains me to say it, but I def think it's him!

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  53. nunaurbiz - i'd love to hang out with you! your life sounds very interesting.

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  54. welcome jazziegirl! I guess I'm stuck on "was always portrayed", like he doesn't anymore or he's dead now.

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  55. amazonblue said...

    I don't think it's Heston.
    His rampant homophobia was discussed in the documentary The Celluloid Closet.
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    Don't you know by now, the ones that protest the most, are the ones that usually have something to hide? Not to bring politics into it, but how many married Republican senators have been caught in gay scandals in the last few years, and some were very anti-gay, voting against anything for gay rights... and some were described as ironically being "very opposed" to everything gay.

    So sorry, but that claim in a documentary does not mean a thing.

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  56. eastwood for the win

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  57. My first thought, without reading anyone's comments, was Gary Cooper.

    Charles Laughton? Glenn Ford? (Oscar for directing, not acting, I think) Just throwing more names in the mix.

    Need more info to make a better guess.

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  58. nunaurbiz, I would love to buy you drinks and just listen to your stories. You have had some great experiences!

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  59. TimeBob, it's not unusual for someone with Alzheimers or cancer to die from pneumonia, that alone shouldn't preclude him from having either cancer or Alzheimers.

    My guess would be Brando. And I can't give you a concrete reason, either. I suck so badly at guessing with my luck it will be someone like Clark Gable ;-)

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  60. How about Burt Lancaster? He was definitely a tough guy. Don't know if he pissed people off late in his life, though.

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  62. Not Brando. If you know anything about him — and I know quite a bit — you know that Mr. Tough Guy was only a persona that followed him around after he hit it big with Streetcar.

    The guy had a beautiful albeit crazy heart and soul and would never abuse children.

    I missed that it was Old Hollywood first time around.

    I'll put in a 2nd vote for Eastwood.

    Meaningless fact: Eastwood filmed one of his later movies on property I live in now.

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  63. Who is the actor who was arrested for pot back in the 50s or 60s?

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  64. the actor arrested for pot was Mitchum.

    I can't figure out what great # of people Clint would have irritated by things he said/did.What did he say/do? I know he is/was awful to women but this implies irritating an audience. What am I forgetting?

    Heston had Alzheimers when Moore took advantage of him. I agree with a lot of what Moore says and think CH views on guns are illogical, but the Heston ambush was dirty pool. Not an even match. Shame on him!

    We know Brando had gay affairs & it would not surprise me if he liked underage kids. Pedophilia & a big heart are not mutually exclusive, I wouldn't think. It's a sick tweak but doesn't mean everything bout you is dark. Although he was pretty dark.

    It would be nice to see the guesses laid out in a grid like this so we don't miss anything(wish I were knowledgeable enough to do this):
    Portrayed as Mr. Tough guy: (explanation)
    Irritated great # people (explanation)
    Indication of fondness for mixed gender pedophilia: (why do you think that)

    I, too, think this is further back. Thanks, Enty! I've missed this kind of blind!

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  65. Brando wasn't dark. Your comment shows how little you know about him.

    And I will state again that this blind is not him.

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  66. Has to be Brando.

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  67. But I agree with you, on second thought, that it's not Eastwood, either.

    I'll have to ponder this further. I don't think anyone has figured it out yet.

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  68. I think this blind is older than most have guessed. WAY before Eastwood or even Brando.

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  69. Anonymous9:20 PM

    {And I will state again that this blind is not him.}

    Colortura, how can you be so adamant about who this blind is? Were you the source of this blind? If not, then aren't you "guessing" like everyone else.

    Heston and Brando do make the list of irritating a great number of people, esp. in their latter years. They became the butt of many jokes due to views and behaviors. But, I am also not adamant that this is them.

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  70. Ok I did some more research and this blind is a little confusing because when I think of the ultimate tough guy I think of Dirty Harry (Clint Eastwood). However, I no longer think Eastwood is it, Heston seems a far better fit. Interesting little fact though: Eastwood and Heston were good friends.

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  71. Coloratura, yeah and I was so dead sure about John Edwards I even worked on his campaign. And boy was I stupid.

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  72. How about some other actors like George C. Scott (Oscar for Patton), or Clark Gable, or William Holden?

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  73. Melody...we were all taken by Playboy John Edwards, no big whoop. Hold your head high.

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  74. No way is this guy alive...No way. That leaves out Eastwood. Plus, Eastwood is very powerful in Hollywood. If this were about him, it would already destroy his career.

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  75. This nagged at me all night and then DUH I thought to Google for the list of Oscar winners:

    http://www.filmsite.org/bestactor2.html

    Just three old Hollywood tough guys from the list:

    James Cagney
    Humphrey Bogart
    Broderick Crawford

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  76. Just as a clarification: The actor is PORTRAYED as a tough guy. Guys like Lee Marvin and Palance WERE the REAL DEAL in real life. They should be eliminated.

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  77. Coloratura, Perhaps you knew Brando personally, and I, like most of the public, did not. My impression is that Brando had his demons. That's my impression. A hugely talented and troubled man.

    I don't claim to know him.

    This entire blog is based on people's impressions, by the way. And that's the fun of it.

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  78. Coloratura, Perhaps you knew Brando personally, and I, like most of the public, did not. My impression is that Brando had his demons. That's my impression. A hugely talented and troubled man.

    I don't claim to know him.

    This entire blog is based on people's impressions, by the way. And that's the fun of it.

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  79. Some of you people are nuts.
    Wayne?
    Cagney?
    Eastwood???
    The clue here is "Earlier in life."
    Brando is good guess as he was known to have done some "experimenting" when he was younger. I don't know where all these Heston = gay rumors have started from, but anything is possible, I guess.

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  80. I think the limiting factor is "irritate a great number of people". Realistically that focusses on Heston (guns) and Wayne (Vietnam war).

    Bogart was strongly against the Hollywood communist witch hunt of the 1940s and 1950s but today that is SO politically correct that I can't the blind worded as "irritating".

    I've never heard a polittical or social position attributed to Broderick Crawford; so any irritation would simply be in regards to his behavior when drinking.

    Burt Lancaster and Jimmy Cahney were both very liberal politically but there is no indication of major irritation to broad sections of the public. Indeed Cagney could be described as publically beloved.

    Brando is problematic inasmuch as I can see him being this kinky. However he was not "always" the tough guy. Also, while his Indian politics at the Oscars might of offended Hollywood, they were just considered bizarre by the broader public. However this was a tempest in a teapot and didn't last. His interviews regarding politics were rambling incoherence and I simply don't see any lasting irritation.

    Tony Curtis was never a "tough guy" and any irritation about his comments are likely to be about his self absorbation.

    Edward g Robinson never won an Academy Award ( I believe they gave him a honorary Oscar).

    Robert Mitchum drank all the booze, chased all the girls, smoked all the pot and gave the best interviews. You tell me what he did that irritated a great many people. Love the guy.

    Lee Marvin was always the tough guy Apparently he could be boorish when drinking but, aside from his palimony case, I can't see anything to irritate a great number of people.

    Similarly George C Scott was also a boorish drunk but, aside from continuously complaining about film scripts I can see anything universally controversial.

    I'm pretty much back to Heston and Wayne.

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  81. I'm going w/ the Heston guess, he irritated people w/ the NRA.

    Lee Marvin is a very decorated war hero.

    I missed the fireworks yesterday, I think the nicknames are funny.

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  82. Didn't George C. Scott irritate people when he won his Oscar and had a Native American woman accept on his behalf in order to make a political statement about the poor conditions on reservations and American Imperialism in general? Then that same episode ticked an entirely different group of people off when it was discovered that the woman wasn't really a Native American. He's just hired an actress who looked the part. So he does have that bit of unpleasantness.

    I'd also like to know how early in life this guy was sleeping with underage kids and how underage were they. If he was say around 25 and they were 16 or 17, I wouldn't call him a pedophille. I know in some states 16 used to be the age of consent, even though now I think it's 18 in every state. I don't think teenagers that age are making truly informed decisions, but I also don't think it makes a young adult a pedophille if they have sex with a 16-year-old.

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  83. Didn't read this until this morning but my immediate thought was Heston too.

    Now, he may have said and done a lot of things I disagree with when it comes to his views on guns, but I agree that Michael Moore took advantage of him. It ruined Bowling for Columbine for me, because I really felt sorry for Charlton Heston.

    And this has been pointed out already, but the men that are the most outspokenly anti-gay usually end up with a pair of balls on their chin. Just saying.

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  84. My first guess was Kirk Douglas. He's widely known as a jerk.

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  85. I read someplace that Kirk Douglas was suspected of being the big star who raped Natalie Wood, when she was a teenager. She never reported it, but she would never work with him. and she worked with all the big males stars.

    I dont think it is heston.

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  86. I'll make this as short as I can. You don't know me, I am the son of Jane Fonda and Marlon Brando and I was a victim of my father. I was sent awaw to be raised by family where it was safe.

    With tremendous help I was able to have justice. I am not the only victim of my father, male and female. Many good folks helped me with getting justice. We raised our own army!

    Although this list is by no means complete I suggest you check on some of my children and my brother and sister.

    My Brother is Quentin Reynolds, adopted by Burt and Lonnie. Drew Barrymore is his mother just as Michelle Williams is the daughter of Justine Batemen. Both are children of Marlon Brando.

    A brief list of my children (I have more than you can imagtine):
    Miley Cyrus with Virginia Madsen
    Justin Beiber with Alyssa Milano
    Taylor Lautner and Selena Gomez with Rosie Perez and her cousin (I was around George Foreman for a bit so his naming habits stuck).
    Mirand Cosgrove with Catherine=Zeta Jones
    Taylor Swift with Jennifer Elfman
    Rhianna with Tina Turner
    Chris Brown with Janet Jackson
    Bristol Palin with Lisa Kudrow
    Nicola Pelte with Elizabeth Hurley
    Charice with Michelle Yeoh
    Nahla with Halle Berry

    You might want to pay close attention to Kurt Russell and Leelee Sobeiski, Natalie Portman and Johnny Depp, Clint Eastwood and Jennifer Love Hewitt, Christina Applegate and Ed O'Neil, Anne Margaret and Lindsay Lohan, Mel Gibson with Denise Richards, Kathy Ireland and the Olsen Twins, Reba Macentire and Lea Ann Rimes, (King) Carl XVI and Gustaf of Sweden and (check those noses) Elin Woods, as well as James Earl Jones and Tiger, Peirce Brosnan and Neve and Christian Campbell, Jeanette McCurdy with Bret Butler. My extremely handsome grandonson with Whoopi. I would also like to thank whoever invented artificial insemination ;)

    That's just the tip of the iceberg. Marlon didn't die in 2004 but you won't see him around. Folks like George W. Bush and Amanda Knox, Elizabeth Johnson and Stephen Baldwin, Wesley Snipes, Casey Anthony and many more remind him to stay close to where we put him until the day he dies. No, he isn't dead, but 2004 was a good year.

    Just because you see Mel Gibson rant or O.J. accused of murder doesn't mean you shouldn't look at Robin Meade and Hilary Duff. Sometimes things are done for a reason. O.J. is innocent (even of the 33 years charge - it's just a reminder).

    NOT EVERYONE YOU THINK HAS PASSED IS DEAD - They just really get pissed when you mess with their kids.

    Let the dead rise and NEVER be afraid to speak up when someone hurts you, just like Mackenzie Philips did. Take a look at Allyson Hannigan - I'm her baby's daddy too.

    Thank you Bob Denver, Chuck Norris and Dinah Shore. There are punishments and there is pain. Marlon Brando will live long enough to see his legacy destroyed just like the lives he destroyed around him, but I doubt you will ever see him again.

    1-800-4-A-Child

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  87. WTF is with that last comment?!?

    Brando raped a bunch of famous girls, making them pregnant with kids who then also became famous? Brando and Fonda's "son" is so awesome that hordes of famous actresses were artificially inseminated with his sperm and magically produced only children who also are in the spotlight?

    Oddly enough, I am a day late reading this post. I just came here to say that I think it's Brando, based on how fucked up his kids are/were!

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  88. Blank Princess, I think someone's off their meds, that's all...

    ....this blind has brought some strange responses, that much is clear!

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  89. I've been traveling (now in LaLaLand), but if anyone wants to buy me drinks and hear me talk, I'm up for that! LOL

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  90. Nunaurbiz: Awwwww. Your avatar is a chocolate point siamese! We had two of them until recently (one of them went to play poker with the boys and has not been seen since). What a cutie. Love the photo.

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  91. Lahash, I congratulate you on your creativity and would like a website where I can purchase your hallucinegenics. Thank you.

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  92. Tough Guys was a 1986 movie with Kirk Douglas and Burt Lancaster.

    Just sayin..

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  93. Anonymous8:48 PM

    James Cagney

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  94. I think this is "really Old Hollywood" and the answer is Wallace Berry. Always rough and gruff on film and unlikeable on real life. Married Gloria Swanson when she was 16 and the studio was trying to keep his relationship with underage girls quiet. Harassed his underage co-stars; forced MGM to give him an Oscar; was a boor at parties and opposed the creation of Jackson Hole National Park. And amazingly, he was allowed to adopt little girls when he was a single man.

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