Mel Gibson Tape Part Four
In today's installment of watch a career go to negative D list in the space of a week, we hear Mel Gibson yelling at Oksana for having the nerve to fall asleep the night before without giving him sex. Yes, before she falls asleep, she has to give him sex and a BJ. Oh, and since she didn't, then after she does it the next time he is going to burn down the house.
“I should’ve woken you up and said f*cking blow me bitch! I should’ve f*ckin’ woken you up and said blow me! You would’ve liked that better, yeah? But you need the goddamn sleep!” Oksana says she waited but Mel says, “Waited and waited. What, two and a half f*cking minutes!? You’re f*cking snoring. Don’t you dare.”
Like the other times when he has been yelling at her, he seems like he is out of breath. I wonder if he was having sex with the porn star while yelling at Oksana. I could see him doing that and having his still not ex-wife on the other line and clicking over to her and yelling at her too.
He does admit that he is seeing a therapist in this call but I don't think there is a therapy around that can help this guy.
To listen to this latest rant, click here.
I always thought his first wife, Robin, was abused, she has had a haunted look about her, imo.
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ReplyDeletehe needs a psychiatrist fast. he's an asshole, but he's demented.
ReplyDeleteWhat's with his obsession with blow jobs? He's disgusting. And I agree, NO amount of therapy can help that wretched piece of human filth.
ReplyDeleteI know several people think that Oksana is a gold digger ect,but the thing is I had no idea who she was until she got with Crazy Mel. If she were a gold digger wouldn't people heard about it before she got with Mel? I know she had a kid with Timothy Dalton but I don't think he has said anything bad about her. From what I read on Wikipedia she doesn't
ReplyDeleteseem to have hurt for money in her life. Sure she got married and had a kid with Timothy Dalton so she could be a resident of the US (I'm assuming) but would that make her a gold digger? I think the Gold digger stuff is the excuse people are using to Justify Mel's behavior.
I look at it like this. Oksana has been here since 1997,which would be 13 years,haven't heard a bad thing about her in 13 years. Look at Mel's behavior,his past anti-Jew rant. I think its obvious that Mel is the nutty one and Oksana isn't the gold diger people claim.
he needs lock up. and if he gets gang raped by a gang of n--- that will be HIS fault. see how that works both ways, Mel?
ReplyDeleteI don't think Oksana is a gold-digger, either. Maybe I'm just naive. She seems to be a rather accomplished pianist and composer. Plus, she did the modeling thing. Whatever. I wonder if Mel was abusive from the beginning or if it developed when she was already prego.
ReplyDeleteI think the term gold-digger is thrown around way too liberally. But, that's just my opinion.
I think she's a gold digger (but she doesn't deserve to be abused). Nothing on her wiki explains how she maintains her lifestyle (while you can get plastic surgery on lay away, it's still not cheap). I think she's a women who is used to being maintained.
ReplyDeleteBesides, do you think Mel hid this side of himself before she got knocked up. Good for her. And Mel sure as hell deserves everything he's getting.
His wife, for some sick reason, stuck with him for 30 years. Put up with this abuse and never ratted him out to the tabloids. He's known Oksana for what 2 years. Her dick sucking skills must be on point.
Some women have way too much patience though. If my partner ever screamed at me "I should’ve f*ckin’ woken you up and said blow me!" my mugshot would have been on the 6 o'clock news.
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ReplyDeleteToday's lesson: Mel Gibson can't sleep or commit arson before his blow job.
ReplyDeleteI keep trying to come up with some comment but frankly, at this point.....I truly am speachless.
ReplyDeleteI keep trying to come up with some comment but frankly, at this point.....I truly am speachless.
ReplyDeleteI don't care if Oksana is a golddigger or not. It doesn't make Mel's behavior any more acceptable. Focusing on her being a golddigger is distracting us from the real issue, which is that Mel Gibson needs some serious psychiatric help and to be kept away from women period.
ReplyDeleteI think the heavy breathing is because Mel is getting off on humiliating her. Sad and sick and twisted. But he seems to be psychotic.
Has anyone explained why the audio is so dramatically different on his voice than hers? I mean on all of the tapes it's like it's not the same audio, AT ALL. WTF? Surely I am not the only one who has noticed? This is not to defend him in any way. It just is bizarre and a wee bit suspicious. He's out of control on a recording that sounds far away and poor and on a phone, and she always calmly responds very close and in a differnt audio completely. Is all this faked? I'm more than half serious. I kind of let it slide the first tape, but now on tape after tape? Something needs to be explained. Just explain it.
ReplyDelete"If my partner ever screamed at me "I should’ve f*ckin’ woken you up and said blow me!" my mugshot would have been on the 6 o'clock news."
ReplyDeleteNicola, you are made of awesome.
I can see how people think Oksana is a gold digger, but I find it a bit perplexing that she's been criticized on this board the past few days for her "calculating" ways to show Mel caught in his abusive act. I say more power to her. There are so many women in this world cowering in fear and never turn the tables on their dickwad abusers, and at least Oksana has the smarts to do something about it. I hope their child isn't in any danger. These people are clearly messed up in the head.
seriously you couldn't write this shit in a movie script. while i deplore the abuse..its like a window into the mind of megalomaniac (is that a word?)
ReplyDeleteFirst off, I am NOT defending Mel Gibson's rants and behavior.
ReplyDeleteI have been going out of my way NOT to listen to these rants. I just don't want that negativity bleeding over into my life, thank you very much.
But I was channel surfing last night and caught a few seconds of yesterday's rant and ...
Something about Oksana's voice sounded VERY contrived. Like she was reading (badly) from a script. I'm not saying that Mel didn't say HIS things, but it sounds very manipulated to me. Of course, releasing the tapes is VERY manipulative.
Just sayin'.
I can't even listen to them anymore. He makes me sick to my stomach. And Oksana isn't necessarily a gold digger. She does have some semblance of a career. And remember people - it takes two to tango.
ReplyDeleteI hope Mel is shunned. That would surely kill him.
@Becki: Not every gold-digger is a celebrity, or has a reputation that precedes them.
ReplyDeleteThere are a lot of women who make a career out of living off of men - they scout them, groom them, take advantage then move on to the next prey - and there a lot of women who, if presented with the opportunity, will jump at it.
The thing with Mel Gibson (and Paul McCartney, who's another great example) is that they have been rich and famous (thus, a prime target) for decades.
Nevermind that they were married for most of that time (gold-diggers don't care about that): They have had scores of women trying all kinds of approaches to get with them, and they should be able to spot them 50 miles off.
I hope he drinks himself to death. Seriously. Fuck him.
ReplyDeleteHis death would probably be a relief to his kids & everyone around him.
What pablo said:
ReplyDeleteThe man is DEMENTED.
People say that Robyn stuck in there for all those years and never said a word but she was/is very religious from what I understand and that could have played a hand in it. Is it possible that SHE was paid off by Mel to keep her mouth shut? If she was, what does that say about her? I'm playing devil's advocate with this one. I think if she was deep into that cycle of abuse for all those years that it wouldn't be shocking. It happens all the time and it's hard to say how anyone would react until you walk in their shoes. Now no one has said a bad word about Robyn cause she put up with his shit (I'm assuming cause you don't turn into this kind of monster over night...I mean, come on now.) all those years but the girlfriend is a piece of shit cause she was smart enough to get out of it early in the game? She didn't see the situation changing and was getting out of it for her sake and the sake of her kids. Robyn might be keeping her mouth shut cause she has no other way of supporting herself and those kids. She is still dependent on that piece of shit. That must suck to never be free of him and she will never be totally free of him. Neither will Oksana cause of the kids.
ReplyDeleteAlso, for some sick ass reason, a lot of abusers freak out in the first year after the birth of a baby or even during pregnancy. They get jealous of the kid and that is what sparks off the abuse cycle. It's not uncommon.
Oh..btw..everyone is talking about Oksana being younger and pretty...using Mel..whatever. If Mel was Mel the postman, do you think he would be able to score someone as pretty and young as Oksana? Maybe in his case, it's not a lock cause he was pretty handsome back in the day. Not so much now. It goes both ways on the use. He's not going to have some chick his age. He got rid of her. He replace her with a nice younger model, arm candy. Lots of older men do this but it's always the chick that is the POS in the end. Double standard where the woman comes out on the short end of the stick yet again.
ReplyDeleteI pretty much agree with everything that has been said above. But I would like to add something.
ReplyDeleteIt's been reported that Mel offered her 20 million in their custodial arrangement, which she first accepted, then turned down. The reason for that was because initially she would have their daughter 80% of the time, and he 20%, but over time it would become 50-50, and she couldn't accept that, for what now are very obvious reasons.
So whatever her reasons/motives for becoming involved with him initially, I think we need to give this woman some credit. She also had the wherewithal to record these conversations. If she hadn't, not only would it have been a he said-she said situation, where most likely he would have prevailed. The bonus is that he's now been exposed for the sick, twisted, demented soul that he is.
The reason her voice sounds louder and more normal and his sounds like he is on the phone is because she was recording the conversation from HER END. Which would not be on the phone, kwim? If he recorded it from his end it would be the exact opposite. I don't understand why this would be suspicious?
ReplyDeleteI am very happy to say that I have not listened to one of these tapes. Like someone said above, I just don't need that negativity in my head.
ReplyDeleteThere's little doubt that Mel has a drinking problem and needs help. He's got some major anger issues and could use some meds.
I think the girlfriend was a master at pushing buttons, tho that certainly doesn't make the abuse her fault. Had she taken the tapes and her beaten up face to the police immediately I would have more respect for her. She's playing a game now.
That's why no one is questioning Rihanna's motives.
I don't give a damn if she's a Satanic crack addict serial killer from Mars, no one deserves to be talked to like that. There's NO REASON. Why is Oksana even being mentioned? Who cares? She couldn't have done anything to bring on that kind of attack.
ReplyDeleteI didn't even listen to day's episode of Murdering and Burning Down the House of the Blowjob Bitch C**** Pussy Whore.
@Tenley - As chopchop explained, there is no need for suspicion. Oksana was recording the telephone conversations, so obviously her voice would be more clear / loud because the recording device was on her end.
ReplyDeleteTo the poster who mentioned it sounded like she was reading from a script, I think it goes without saying that since she was recording the conversation, she of course knew it was in her best interest to avoid raising her voice and talk calmly. I sincerely doubt she was reading a script, but she probably knows how to push his buttons, and nothing makes people who are crazy ticked-off more pissed than when the other person is calm and rational. Likewise, since she knew she would have to leverage these tapes to make her point clear to Gibson, of course she maintains her cool - it makes her look completely normal and him look like an insane asshole.
I say well played, Oksana. This jerk has had it coming for a long, long time. Buh-bye, Mel.
Right on, Nicola LOL! I wish more abused women had that strength. Unfortunately they're torn down so much that they don't believe they can, or should, defend themselves.
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I think the Gold digger stuff is the excuse people are using to Justify Mel's behavior.
BINGO.
And you know, it's just possible that Robyn is giving thanks to Oksana (silently, of course) for exposing Mel as she never could have, whether that was due to fear and/or a confidentiality agreement.
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ReplyDeleteHe got rid of her. He replace her with a nice younger model, arm candy. Lots of older men do this but it's always the chick that is the POS in the end. Double standard where the woman comes out on the short end of the stick yet again.
BINGO on THIS, too. Thank goodness there are SOME people out there who see through this bullshit, too many people gobble it up like sheep (no offense to sheep.)
Good one Jax! That was classic!
ReplyDeletelol @ Nicola's last paragraph. Fucking A.
ReplyDeleteBeyond that, love what Melody the First said and EXACTLY what Jax said. Exactly. I would want to hear about exactly how it goes down, too.
i'm no longer reading any post that starts with 'i'm not excusing what mel did but.......'
ReplyDeletejust stop it, people. she could be the worst human being in the world, but she didn't force those words from his mouth. even if he hates her guts, she's his child's mother and you just don't talk to her that way.
@Tenley
ReplyDeleteI'm glad you said it out loud as I've been thinking the same thing since tape 1 was released (" Has anyone explained why the audio is so dramatically different on his voice than hers? I mean on all of the tapes it's like it's not the same audio, AT ALL. WTF? Surely I am not the only one who has noticed? This is not to defend him in any way. It just is bizarre and a wee bit suspicious. He's out of control on a recording that sounds far away and poor and on a phone, and she always calmly responds very close and in a differnt audio completely. Is all this faked? I'm more than half serious. I kind of let it slide the first tape, but now on tape after tape? Something needs to be explained. Just explain it.")
I would think his people would say FAKE loud and clear. It almost sounds like an impersonator trying to be Mel. The quality is off/weird, the entire thing is so staged feeling. I don't know maybe we are in the minority?
NOT that I'm excusing this type of behavior/madness at all EVER. Just saying it sounds "off" on these tapes.
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am i the only one who likes how she speaks?
ReplyDeleteI can't and won't defend Mel Gibsons horrific rants.
ReplyDeleteI don't believe anyone deserves this kind of verbal abuse, and physical, if he did indeed punch her.
Having said that, we as a country are always saying there is No shame in having Mental illness, and yet, here is a guy, who seems to have some sort of mental illness, and instead of getting this guy help, we contribute to it, but slowly releasing tapes of him, in an obvious mental breakdown.
Instead of going to the police, she held onto these tapes, and then seemingly black mails him with these very recordings.
I do think she knew which buttons to push to get him to explode.
My heart actually lays with this sweet little baby, as her parents are both a mess.
I have wondered whether or not Robin was an abused wife, but nothing, absolutely Nothing has ever been reported, not by her, or those around her. It seems like someone somehow, through the kid's friends, house keepers, etc, would have leaked it.
This is why, I have serious questions about how these tapes were attained. You know, the entire story behind them can shed a whole different angle on him, and her.
it's sexy and sing-songy.
ReplyDeleteAbuse like the kind that Mel has dished out happens every day. And I can tell you with a level of certainty that he was probably way worse in person.
ReplyDeleteMy mother, brother and myself were physically, emotionally, and verbally abused by my dad who was in a position of power financially and in the media. He would call home to let us know what we were in for, so we could be "ready" at whatever hour he came home. He would begin beating my mom and then move on to us. While he was doing that he would be complaining in a very descriptive way about sex and my mother's inability to service him as well as he deserved. I can remember my mom screaming for us to call the police, and when they came, they never did anything because of who my dad was. And then after the police left, God help us. At one time or another, each of us begged dad to please kill us, and put us out of our misery.
No woman, no child deserve what Mel and my dad did to their families. The greatest gift any mother could give their child is to protect them from it.
Leah, I'm so very sorry for what you and your brother and Mom went through. You are so right - no woman or child deserves to be treated like that.
ReplyDeleteLeah, that's terrible. It sucks that your dad got away with that just because of who he is. I hope you and your family have recovered.
ReplyDeleteYou know what, the hate came out of his mouth before he met her, now we are just seeing the depths of it. I really don't care what her motives are/were. He abused her. Verbally, emotionally, physically. She recorded some of it and is now handing his racist, abusive ass to him on a platter for all the world to see. For every Mel Crazy-Pants there are a hundred more just like him and I wish they could all see that they can't act like this and walk away like they are king shit. Write her a damn check, crazy man. And I will send her a thank you card for showing me the many flavors of your psychosis. Hopefully you will now be kept away from any available money making opportunities, and people you can terrorize. And perhaps get some help that you so OBVIOUSLY need. Funny I don't see Dr. Drew racing off to try and help Mel?
ReplyDeleteThanks Sue and Smooey. I posted about our experience because I wanted to give you all a glimpse into life with an abusive aloholic meglomaniac/narcissist. Above all else, if any of you is being abused, please, please, please help your children and yourself and get some help to break free.
ReplyDeleteOn a separate, but related note, Whoopie Goldberg is doing some incredible damage defending Mel. She is in a unique position to urge women to get out of an abusive situation, but instead she is telling them that it's no big deal, it's their fault, and no one is going to support them in getting out of it.
I strongly believe Mel does not have a mental illness. He's just an abusive, controlling asshole. And no amount of therapy, treatment, drugs, rehab can fix it. Believe me, I know. Like Leah, I too grew up with one just like him in my very own home.
ReplyDeleteJust watch though, that's what Mel will eventually trot out as an excuse. "Oh I'm an alcoholic who gets violent and says mean stuff when I drink! Now I'm going to rehab and all will be forgiven." Fuck that, it's a cop-out.
Leah,
ReplyDeleteSo sorry your dad was a monster!I hope you are able to stand up with strength, no shame,and with the confidence in knowing what the truth is, dispite what your father says. You, your Mom, and siblings deserved better!
Oh Leah - big hugs. Hope the rest of your family recovered!
ReplyDeleteChop Chop, Don't get me wrong, I am Not defending him. But you know know him. No one does, and he obviously has issues, serious issues. No body rants like that, and are sane.
ReplyDeleteI just see a human being who need some serious help, and I'd rather pray for him, and pray he gets help, and becomes a better human being because of that treatment, rather than just throw him away as unhelpable.
I'm Not blaming her , but I don't believe she is as innocent as she claims either.
I know about abuse, had a stepfather who was very abusive, but I won't condemn people I don't really know. I always want to know the whole story. And I'm not certain we're getting it yet.
The only true thing to me is, he needs help! He is in such a rage, that rage has to come from some where. I think most would agree he needs professional help. ASAP!
Lizzie, I broke the cycle of violence, and married a wonderful man (21 years ago tomorrow!) who loves me and our children like crazy, and would never raise a hand to any of us.
ReplyDeleteHow much longer until he is arrested? I'm glad Radar had the cajones to release the tapes like this.
ReplyDeleteI think a lot of people are remembering the charming movie star of the 80's & 90's. It is hard to match that to the truth. And it is easy to place blame on Oksana since she isn't in the same media spotlight as him.
I think she fell for him as many women would he used his charm, fame and money. And once the baby was born, as most sociopaths do flip the switch and reveal their true ugly violent controlling sides. So many things he has said remindes me of what a sociopath would say. And if you have had one in your life (i have) it is a nightmare on such a level you just pray they move on from you one day.
I think the sound quality is diffrent becuase he is on a cell phone and she is on the land line. Also, as some were saying she is reading a script. I think it is not a script but this is the same conversation she is having with him every day. He is fixated and obsessed with her. So all she is doing is repeating the same things in response to his attacks. I mean all it is is blow me, ill bury you, whore, cunt, gold digger over and over again.
I'm sure Mel spends his 50 minutes at the therapist complaining about all the people who are against him, thwart him, make him angry, force him to do bad things, etc.
ReplyDeleteTherapy is just another form of enablement for that dick-wad, unfortunately.
Leah, Good, that's wonderful!!! You're the Rose that came out of the thorms :-)
ReplyDeleteI too, broke the cycle when I married my husband. Some times, I think back, and think, I can't believe I came from that, as it's not who I am in any way. The scars are still there, but they are no longer open.
Before I had children, I had must had read every single parenting book on the market, and then once I had my babies, I prayed all the time, now I have two wonder adult children who are professionals treating, and helping with this very issue.
Um, that's suppose to say "thorns"
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ReplyDeleteLeah (& Lizzie), I'm so sorry for what you went through, but am thrilled to hear how you've thrived and married a wonderful guy.
ReplyDeleteI heard an interesting theory last night on TV from one of the talking heads - this guy was saying that he believes the tapes were released by either the police (!) or Oksana's lawyer, the reason being that they will probably not be admissable in court due to the law in California that says one person cannot tape another without their permission.
I'm not sure if I buy that, but it would be unbelievable if the leaks were coming from the police.
I hope everyone excusing Mel's behaviour or pulling the "I'm not defending him BUT" bit really READS what Leah has written. And I'm very happy you survived & are now having a wonderful life, Leah :)
ReplyDeleteUnbelievable.
ReplyDeleteI think there is a position for Mel writing for Hallmark now that his movie career may be over.
ReplyDeleteEveryone is missing the point.
ReplyDeleteWhether or not she's a gold digger is IRRELEVANT.
HE KNOCKED HER TEETH OUT WHILE HOLDING THEIR BABY. DO YOU REALIZE HOW HARD HE WOULD HAVE HAD TO PUNCH HER TO KNOCK OUT HER TEETH?!
I don't care WHAT buttons she may or may not have pushed. CONTROL YOURSELF OR WALK AWAY. F-ing Animal!
For hating buttons being pushed, he sure as hell has not hurried off the phone, has he? Is he trying to push HER buttons? It sounds like it.
P.S. In her position, I would never call the police either. We've seen how celebrities are immune to the law especially when you have multi millions. Charlie Sheen, anyone? It would make him angrier enough to follow through on his threat to put her in the garden. The best protection she has right now is the paparazzi, very smart to go to RadarOnline where they will now follow each and every move of his psycho ass.
Ok. Sorry. Rant over. Carry on!
i did hear the difference between the voices on the tape bits i've heard on tv, but it's pretty easy to explain. first of all, she's placating and calm because she's got to keep his temper from escalating. at the time these calls were made, remember, she had no restraining order. mel's a big shot. look how many defended him after his dui. if something "happened" to her while he was visibly somewhere else, she had to prove it somehow. also, she wouldn't have a tap on the phone. she's probably got a handheld recorder. he may on a cell, but even on a landline, have you ever tried to tape a voice coming in while talking at the same time?
ReplyDeletemel and his blow jobs: i don't know this for a fact, but he's a member of a deeply religious catholic sect, which means no birth control. so wouldn't blow jobs be allowed in that view? as for robyn, she wasn't catholic, and i've always wondered why she went along with the number of kids they had, especially the last one at her age. i got thinking about it, and first, she married "hot" mel, the nobody. he didn't have the power and friends in high places for a good chunk of their marriage. he also was fairly sober for most of it, IIRC. back when he was hot and a good actor, i admit he made me a little loose in the loins. also, according to HIS religion, HE had to grant her a divorce, and may have convinced her he'd take the kids and she'd be penniless if she tried to leave (happened to me). i'm sure she's got a gag order on her right now.
now, besides the violence, i think it's very possible that he actually is in a state of dementia. the building of his own church, the money and power and accolades he got for "passion" (not to mention the hero worship from churches of all religions all over the world) sent him over the edge. i never saw it, personally, i was so sick of the hype. he made more money than god (pun intended) on that movie, so he believes he has ultimate control over his own little universe. combine that with early stages of dementia/alzheimer's and the booze, and you've got this raging, uncontrollable beast. he's out of control, therapy is not going to help him, i'll bet he can still turn on the charm. because socio/psychopathy doesn't just turn on suddenly. schizo-affective disorders usually show up in children or young adults. most likely he's been a sociopath all these years and the booze is just setting the beast free.
i'm terrified for oksana and the child. whatever he is, he's a control freak, and he won't quit until he gets his way.
oh, yeah, and the heavy breathing? he's probably pacing back and forth like the madman that he is. his people are going to spin it that he was having major anxiety attacks and that he has a heart condition, just watch.
sorry for the long post. i'm so very disturbed by this i can't quite get all my thoughts in a decent order.
hey, i just read somewhere that he's only 54--4 years older than me? and she's 40. that's not as much of a difference as i thought there was.
Just LOOK at all the attacks against Oksana WITH all this evidence. Could you IMAGINE what it would have been like had she not recorded a thing and filed a report? No one would have believed a word she said and IMO she'd be six feet under right now.
ReplyDeleteSorry. This topic enrages me.
she looks very beautiful in that picture.
ReplyDeletehe looks like a messed-up, sick and hateful old man.
lol @ lutefisk!
ReplyDeleteYou know Charlie Sheen is loving Mel Gibson right now.....
ReplyDeleteGreat post bunny! Your reasoning makes a lot of sense.
ReplyDeleteI can't listen to anymore of his insane rantings. They're all the same. He wants her to give him a bj because he deserves it and he is probably calling her his favorite pet name "dysfunctional bitch", probably threatening her in some way all while doing his usual heavy breathing routine. He probably has someone there giving him a bj while he is on the phone with her.
ReplyDeleteHe's out of breath because of the rage that he's spewing. It takes a lot of energy to get really angry and scream at people.
ReplyDeleteWhoopi defending Mel, again today and she started raising HER voice and screaming at people who complained about her comments to her assistant. Whoopi and Mel both need to be ignored by Hollywood and the last six fans that were delusional enough to believe that there might be hope for them.
Whoops I ment "dysfunctional cunt" I am not used to writing that word. Probably a first.
ReplyDeleteI've only listened to the audio in this post and it brought disturbing reminders of my first marriage. My ex husband even LOOKS like that Mel, and I was quickly brought back to my horrible past. No one deserves to be treated like this, no one...
ReplyDeleteI can't wait until this fucker pays the price for what he has done - There's no doubt Mel's wife of 30+ yrs endured some serious abuse. Whoever doubts it is delusional.
Bunny very interesting. It makes sense.
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