Radar does not have a new tape, but what they do have are some statements Oksana made to police during the investigation of Mel Gibson for domestic violence. Apparently Mel says he was humiliated by a Jewish man so he put the man under surveillance by a team of investigators to get dirt on the guy. He also said, "I want Jew blood on my hands. I want him taken to the desert, stripped naked, knee capped and left in the heat.”
It turns out the Jewish man to which Mel is referring is Harvey Levin at TMZ. Harvey says it is not true and that Oksana is just saying this to get TMZ on her side.
Meanwhile, The Hollywood Reporter has also come down on the side of Mel. Knowing they will not get any ad revenue from Oksana, THR has decided that Mel is a great guy. They don't say it directly, but they bring up every negative thing they have discovered about Oksana and blame her sister for leaking the tapes. I have no doubts it was someone close to Oksana who leaked the tapes. Duh. But, THR tries to make the case that Oksana gave them to the sister who gave them to Radar. Therefore, Oksana is in violation of the gag order and should be held in contempt by the judge. That is a big stretch to go.
Oh, and I want you to click to their site about the story and read the comments. When I looked I would say they were about 80% pro Mel Gibson. I don't know how that is possible. Even if Oksana is the biggest gold digger on the planet, she is not the one who said those things. He said them. The only people he has not personally offended are straight, white, non Jewish men yet people are sticking up for him. I just don't get it.
So just because Oksana was able to leak the ranting of this crazy guy that still makes him a great guy???
ReplyDeleteSo. He wants to leave a Jew incapacitated in the heat to die? You're not God, Mel, you just play one in your delusions.
ReplyDeleteOh, the "cult" of celebrity! I'm opening up three bars in the next few months, and I don't want to deal with many celebs, so the bars are located in No. Hwood. Very North Hwood.
ReplyDeleteI've never been a Mel fan, and I'm not now.
ReplyDeleteI also think it's creepy to record private conversations and release them for public consumption.
While I'm not defending what Mel Gibson said or allegedly did, being unable to speak in private reminds me of repressive societies in which people are afraid to say anything for fear it will be recorded and used against them. Cue Stalinist Russia, East Germany, or George W. Bush's plans for wiretapping of potential terrorists.
I don't know California law, but I'm assuming that Oksana's tapes would not be admitted in court, which is why she or "her sister" submitted them to the court of public opinion.
I don't think it matters who leaked the tapes. Mel Gibson proves himself to be a fucking abusive, racist asshole on those tapes and it's better that people know to avoid him and his disgusting, shameful behaviour.
ReplyDeleteSeriously, what man hits a woman? CARRYING A BABY? And screams demeaning sexual things at her?
Fuck that guy.
Honestly, at this point, I think anyone who can find a reason to defend Mel needs their head examined. I also think it goes without saying that he's a sick, twisted, demented man with many issues.
ReplyDeleteWhen I first heard this report, I thought the person he had it in for was Ari Emmanuel, who wrote that letter asking everyone to basically blackball him after the sugart*ts incident.
Something I've noticed that really bugs me. Almost every article about this whole sordid mess refers to Oksana as a gold digger. Really, who cares? Clearly she has a thing for older, wealthy, famous men. But something that hasn't been pointed out (not here - in articles) is that they each got something from the relationship. In other words, he was attracted to her for whatever reasons, as she was to him. It served their purposes, till it no longer did. Yet, it's always Oksana the gold digger.
Of course OctoSana is behind the leaking of the tapes. How else could she get anyone to hear them? The tapes were illegally recorded and could never be used as evidence against Mel in any court proceeding.
ReplyDeleteI agree with surfer on all counts, including thinking the person in question is Ari Emmanuel.
ReplyDeleteYou can see the PR machine working becase more and more people are calling Mel a "victim." Victim, my ass.
@surfer
ReplyDelete2 thoughts.
1. It would be such a bad idea to go after Ari Emmanuel. Mel would probably be the one to end up dead in that situation
2. The fact that Oksana is a gold digger can be used against her credibility wise. Sad, but true.
Also, I doubt the tapes will be admissable.
Mel, any resemblance to you and a human being is coincidental.
ReplyDeleteWell said surfer and sunnyside :)
ReplyDelete@sue ellen. wikipedia is not the Gospel, but here are interesting facts about Ari:
ReplyDeleteAn April 2002 lawsuit by agent Sandra Epstein against Endeavor Agency brought accusations by Epstein and other Endeavor employees against Emanuel.[16] In the court filings, Emanuel is alleged to have allowed a friend to operate a pornographic website out of Endeavor’s offices.[16] According to Epstein, Emanuel made racist and anti-gay remarks and prevented her from sending a script about Navy SEALs to actor Wesley Snipes, saying, "That is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Everyone knows that blacks don’t swim".[16] Emanuel disputed these accusations at the time. Epstein’s claims were settled for $2.25 million.
Seems he may have some bigotry in him too?.
Sue Ellen,
ReplyDeleteYou're right, it would be a bad idea to go after Ari, as it would anyone else. I just thought Ari because he was the first prominent Jewish person to speak out against Mel a few years back.
And my point about bringing up the gold digger business, is so what? Believe me, I don't think she's an angel in all of this, but is it really necessary to bring it up in every article or blurb that is written? Nobody seems to question Mel's motives for becoming involved with her, only hers. And generally speaking, women tend to get the short end of the stick.
@surfer
ReplyDeleteYou're right about women getting the fuzzy end of the lollipop in situations like this. I was just trying to think of ways he might be able to get out of this, and attacking her credibility is one way of doing it.
As far as Ari goes, he should be the last person Mel should go after, considering who is brother is and what he does. He could make someone disappear, no problem.
@Pablo
ReplyDeleteI'm not surprised about Ari, but I was thinking more along the lines of his brother, Rahm, being Obama's Chief of Staff.
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ReplyDeleteMel was supposedly after Harvey Levin but he (Harvey) says it isn't true. Oksana said that Mel was angry at TMZ for being the first to release the "sugar tits" story.
ReplyDeleteI was at the doctor’s office this am and it was on the news on their TV. An older couple was watching it and the WIFE was pissed on Mel's behalf! It was amusing. She was not impressed by "the gold digging tramp going after a big Hollywood movie star trying to get his money".
ReplyDeleteWhile I think the first 3 tapes sounded "off" and slightly "fake", I'm not giving Mel a pass to be racist, or abusive to women. If he's guilty of some or part then he needs to suffer the consequences. BUT, this lady was truly OUTRAGED and talking to the TV and her husband a/b how wronged Mel was in this situation. I just found it funny.
Maybe it was a "you had to be there" moment.
Anyone who is standing up for Mel Gibson in this is mental.
ReplyDeleteSo as long as you might make someone some Hollywood dollars in the future, you can be the biggest pig in the universe, hitting woman and spouting hate. As long as you might make them some cash in the future.
No-one deserves to be treated in the way Mel Gibson treated Oksana or any other person he has done this to.
A large portion of my friends are straight, white, non-Jewish men and I can report that not a single one of them has said anything that was even remotely supportive about Mel Gibson. In fact, just the opposite. Unless, you count the fact that my husband has loved to call me sugartits ever since his first little "episode" as support.
ReplyDeleteAnyone can post comments, no? Probably the PR machine in action trying to be PRO-Mel.
ReplyDelete@lisap515: thats actually quite sad! it is disgusting how many women are defending him
ReplyDeletei say if people want to keep labeling star-fcukers as "gold diggers" then the fan-fcukers should be referred to as "pussy diggers" bc that is what they are... these rich/famous men have all these "gold diggers" around them because they LOVE every second of it... young hot girl chasing after them: le sigh! for their egos... but once they are bored or the gold digger leaves or grows some balls, then its "SHE USED ME, THAT GOLD DIGGER!"
gross!
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One of our radio commentators in my home town in Australia did a little poll asking if people would support Mel. I was driving home from the gym, but I wish I had pulled over, because while the commentator would no longer see his movies, every person who rang was pro-Mel. From how they spoke, the people who were supporting Mel were not highly educated, and it seemed to me that they shared a lot of his views. Frighteningly a woman rang in as well to support him. Most of the comments were 'it's his private life and she shouldn't have taped him'. Well I am glad she did tape him, because people don't believe her even with proof. Luckily there are people who read CDAN who won't be seeing his films, or television shows, and I will be checking any producer credits so I am not caught out that way either.
ReplyDeleteNo one ever believes the victim of a sociopath. No one believed the people whom local nice guy Dennis Rader harassed and bullied until he was unmasked as the BTK.
ReplyDeleteThat said, I don't think Gibson is a sociopath. He's too publicly malignant to be one. I think he's bipolar and psychotic.
And I think Mel said those things about Levin. They sound like the kind of crap that Gibson has been spewing -- his word choice, his venom. If Oksana made it up, she's a remarkable writer and should pick up a pen. I think Harvey is in a business-oriented denial.
Please don't put me down for writing this.
ReplyDeleteI was fooled by a guy that was using me for money. Once I figured it out I told him that I was sick of the hard luck stories and refused to help. That's when he showed his true colors.
He put a ring that I owned in his pocket, and said I could buy it back for $100. I tried to talk him into giving it back, and he laughed and said $200. After awhile I lost my cool and tried to take it out of his pocket. He said my fingernail scratched him, and he would call the cops. I had a little pot at my house and he would report that too. He was trying to get me all worked up, and it took awhile to get him to leave. (he kept my ring) I felt like a prisoner in my own home.
A few days later I was leaving for work and he called to say that someone was going to rob my house. I started begging him to leave me alone. He enjoyed my fear and calmly added that they might burn my house down too.
I was dealing with a monster! I was going to be late for work. I didn't want to call the police because I live in a small town and it would be written up in the paper. This guy made a fool of me, was suddenly abusing me and I didn't want everyone to gossip about it.
I got all Mel Gibson on him. I was breathing like Mel from the stress and fear. I yelled back and bluffed that I'd have him killed. I said the meanest things I could think of, and I'm glad he didn't tape me. I was in shock. I thought this guy loved me and now he was abusing me because I stopped believing his lies.
Mel Gibson is wrong if he hit Oksana, but I'm not sure that he did. (it could be a lie) He was going to marry her but his family warned him against it. He decided to ask for a prenup, and she canceled the wedding. She might have suddenly turned on him around that time, but left it off the tapes. He says alot of things about how she never really loved him and broke his heart and wanted his money. I wasted 2 years on a guy that was FAKE, and think that's how Mel feels too.
off topic. socioeconomic class and educational level have NOTHING to do with a person's views on abuse. poor and rich males are probably equal opportunity offenders.
ReplyDeleteOh shit Nosey Parker - I feel for you. I had a guy like that in my life for about a year, too - he literally lied to me about getting up for work every day and stole from me for months. It ended badly. Very badly. In the end I was sleeping with my purse under my pillow and couldn't get him out. I get it.
ReplyDelete@Nosey Parker, Oksana wasn't in the picture when MG had that drunken DUI rant. I vowed then to never see another MG movie. These tapes only reinforced that decision. He is filled with hate and it has nothing to do with her.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry for what you experienced, but I doubt you used the same ethnic slurs Mel Gibson did when you threatened your ex boyfriend. Either you're the sort of person who uses the n word (and I don't believe you do but Mel certainly does) or you're not.
@NP, I was the victim of a sociopath in a business setting. She threatened me all the time, but she had no hold on me because I live the way my grandmother always suggested, like I could sell the family parrot to the town gossip. That said, I can't imagine how awful it would be to live with one in your house. I hope he eventually left town.
ReplyDeleteMel Gibson has gone ballistic on people before. He's a founder of the Holy Family Chapel, a fairly loony Mulholland Drive Catholic Church that believes Vatican II was a Jewish/Masonic plot to destroy the Church. His rantings were in league with the beliefs of the church.
Also, he states his reason for hitting her (which he admits to) and they are hardly worth even yelling at someone over. No, I think it's clear Gibson is the bully.
@xodettex "pussy digging" LOL!
ReplyDelete@nosey parker...glad you escaped the nut job.
you keep putting misinformation out there, and I will continue to dispute it. Mel's anti-semetic rantings are NOT in league with the Church's views-Novus Ordo or traditional. A very small fringe population of the traditional Church *might* hate Jews, but it is not the consensus. The reason why some traditionalists want to keep the Church the way it was pre-1965 has mostly to do with liturgy changes and new interpretations of the Scriptures.
ReplyDeleteThat stinks nosey! I love hearing the back stories in commenters' lives
Nosey Parker ((((hugs))))
ReplyDeleteThis is why, I said, I'd like to hear all the tapes, or hear everything from start to finish.
I don't know if he hit her either. Nothing in all of this seems to be black and white. A lot of gray areas. I can't understand how she 'did not' call the police when he supposedly hurt the baby. That doesn't make any sense to me.
And then afterwards, from what it sounds, she signed a 15 million dollar contract with him. That doesn't make sense to me either.
Hope you're doing better now, sounds like you went through a horrible ordeal with that guy.
@chihuahuaense, I keep putting out misinformation? I don't think I've mentioned his church before. Please note what I said:
ReplyDelete>He's a founder of the Holy Family Chapel, a >fairly loony Mulholland Drive Catholic Church that believes Vatican II was a Jewish/Masonic plot to destroy the Church<. His rantings were in league with the beliefs of the church.< (note the "beliefs of the church," which means the small church ... the Holy Family Chapel itself. I said nothing about the Catholic Church. I was clearly speaking ONLY about the Holy Family Chapel.
I'm an atheist. I think all religion is insane. I'm an equal opportunity cynic.
You have mentioned his church before. Here and in your blog aptly titled "LOOSING Their Religion: Mel Gibson, Stephenie Meyer, Scientology, and the Cult of Religious Celebrities." In that article you say:
ReplyDeleteApparently, Mel was able to persuade his church that his twenty year marriage "didn't happen" either. It was recently annulled, after numerous children had been born.
If you had done any research at all, you would see that someone that is not married in the Catholic Church doesn't have to persuade anyone that the marriage didn't happen. If it didn't happen in the Church then there is no reason for an annulment. I didn't know Mel wasn't married in the Catholic Church until a poster here said it. Anyway, I just find it laughable that you feel qualified to talk about what his church believes or does not believe about the Vatican II Council, when you OBVIOUSLY do not understand fairly simple and straightforward rules within the Catholic church.
Furthermore I was alluding to the fact that although it is very straightforward for you, others are taking issue with Oksana. Just because anyone would not believe that she is totally on the up and up does not make them a woman-hater or a bigot, as I have said before.
I have said this before, and I get that many people are not religious, etc. I do not feel that this is the place to call any general church or deeply held religious belief "loony tunes" etc. It is offensive, and for the most part this board remains fairly PC and respectful of others feelings. I'm sure this comment will be followed with "well, it is still a cult, etc." but I don't really care. I have stated my piece and I will continue in the future. You don't have to like it, but you can count on it.
For clarification purposes then, can you explain to me if you know the basic tenants of the Church he belongs to as well? I'm sorry, I didn't read that remark as bashing Catholicism but rather an offshoot and if that's the case, then certain dogma doesn't necessarily have to jive with everything we know about Catholicism, so I'd be curious to see where that lines up-simply bc I can say that WBC certainly does not follow any Christian teachings that I can think of, and I would say that though they may say they are, their beliefs and teachings certainly diverge from any i know.
ReplyDeletethat said-when you say things, even in the heat of passion, they come from somewhere. So for me, I'm not entirely sure where defending Mel comes in where it should be, he obviously needs help.
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ReplyDeleteI'm not sure that I understand what you are saying/asking.
ReplyDeleteMy response was directed at this statement in particular:
He's a founder of the Holy Family Chapel, a fairly loony Mulholland Drive Catholic Church that believes Vatican II was a Jewish/Masonic plot to destroy the Church. His rantings were in league with the beliefs of the church.
In addition to calling the church "loony" which I don't think is appropriate, no traditionalists that I know believe Vatican II was a Jewish/Masonic plot to destroy the church. They were however, miffed that Jewish leaders and leaders of other religious affiliations were invited to the council as experts and allowed to voice their opinions, evaluate and determine how the liturgy should be changed and/or modernized.
While I have never been to Mel's church as I have never been a superfan nor will I ever be, I have read books by the father who apparently preaches there, and he is neither an anti-Semite nor a conspiracy theorist. With any belief, you will always have traditionalists and liberals, and while I usually find myself somewhere in the middle, I do not think that it is right to ridicule any religion. This is neither the time nor the place.
Furthermore, I hate the negative attitudes on here of late. In addition to the random troll, many of the regulars (I refer to Melody specifically because she had to say "I don't pass her smell test" when I was simply discussing a topic) are being so hateful lately. Not cool. I'm sure I'm often not cool, but I would never continue to spew obviously offensive words when someone on here said "that's hurtful."
I havent listened to most of the tapes, I don't need to. My ex husband said all those things to me. Almost the exact same words. He was a sociopath. Everyone loved him just like everyone used to love MG before his first drunken rant.
ReplyDeleteStill, I think leaking those tapes was rotten. There was no point in leaking them other than spite. He abused her so shes paying him back by ruining him.
People say things when they're angry, and act in uncharacteristic ways. I did everything in my power to leave my marriage behaving like an adult with my dignity intact. I wasn't going to let him drag me to his level, and I wasn't going to be a victim anymore but, he knew which buttons to push and turned on the recorder right after he pushed them. If he had played that tape for the world to hear I would have been known as a screaming shrew and him the calm rational one.
Thanks for the kind words. That relationship ended 2 years ago, and I'm over it. My ex is African American and I did not call him the N word.
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I read a theory (on another site) that Radar Online might have helped Oksana record Mel.
There's no leak if Radar owned them from the start.
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ITA Chihuahuense =D We should all try to play nice.
Chi, if you can't take disagreeing with you then you shouldn't be reading a public message board. Mel's father is a Holocaust denier. (At least we know where all of you came from lol). Mel's father is a bigot and misogynist (I've heard audio of him expressing those opinions), just like Mel is. I have NO reason to be kind about such people. My childhood friend Marcy's family was decimated in the Holocaust. Trust me, it happened.
ReplyDeleteIf your friend can laugh off the murder of 6 million of the "Jews" he so hates, then I can be offensive as I want to be about him.
End of any discussion with you.
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ReplyDeleteYeah, chihuahuense, if you can't take the heat...get your "brother" to come on the comments and get him to defend your honour like someone else did. WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE.
ReplyDeleteHaahahaha. Tragic. (and typical)
The weirdest thing for me about the tapes is how bored Oksana sounds. It's weird, because she seems so calm about him saying that stuff to her. Oksana answers Mel like she is reciting the telephone book. Very weird.
ReplyDeleteWhat? Oh, right, right, I forgot about your whole reading comprehension problem. Ok, well, I wish you well with that.
ReplyDelete@Sue Ellen, I know, I had to laugh.
Please tell me who had their brother come on here. LOL.
ReplyDelete@HK
ReplyDeleteMelody the First, that's who! Click the Mel Gibson label on this post and go back, I think it's three posts down or so, and if you scroll to the bottom you see some fool come in, Doc Marten, and say something along the lines of be nice to my sister, leave her alooneeee!! Please.
here:
ReplyDeleteDoc Marten said...
The ONLY moron here is YOU. Don't you even THINK of calling my sister that. Is Mel Gibson an abusive asshole? YES. Is Oskana a gold digger? NO. She's a smart woman who did what she had to do to protect herself and her kid from a raging lunatic.
heh
OMG, TNT is having a Mel Gibson mini-marathon. WTF?
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ReplyDeleteI also love the irony in that Melody insists that the bigot Mel is my "friend" or my "brother" when I am simply asking her to refrain from her own bigotry.
ReplyDeleteAaahhh...that's so "special".
ReplyDeleteand a little extra reading for Melody:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.holocaustforgotten.com/Newsletter.htm