Earlier in the weekend there were reports that Mel had sold one of his houses and was going to live in Australia or anywhere outside the US. They acted like the one house was all that he had here. It would not have surprised me if he took a little six month sabbatical somewhere, but I don't think he would ever leave the US. What cracked me up about the whole thing was the statement released by his publicist. They have not said a word in two weeks about anything important, but when the subject of Mel moving comes up, they respond.
"There is not truth to the rumors Mel Gibson is leaving the States and wants his fans to know he is going to stay."
Umm, fans? I think he could have just called all of them and let them know. There could not be more than one or two.
Over the weekend, Sue, a reader here at CDAN found this treasure from Pravda from 7 years ago. It is an interview with Oksana's parents after a visit to the US and meeting Timothy Dalton. It also discusses some of Timothy Dalton's old girlfriends. It is a great piece. Thanks Sue.A story of a Russian girl, who did an impossible thing: married a principal bachelor James Bond Timothy Dalton and gave him baby.
After Oksana Chernuha had married Timothy Dalton, envy people of criminal Saransk, Mordovia, her native city, her parents’ flat was broken into a few times, their shop was set on fire. Nobody knows that nothing much changed in the Chernuhas life since the “star” marriage of their daughter. They still teach music, still have the same small flat in an ordinary building of 50ies, same soviet furniture – and no fairy riches.
But her mother remembers troubles, and refuses giving interviews. She nearly screamed on the phone: “If you would write something, you will deal with a millionaire. He’s a Hollywood star! A famous man! He will crush you, sue you, and you will be closed. He can do all… He loves her. She is the beauty. They have a wonderful baby… And you intrude a personal life of a Hollywood star. Only troubles you cause…”. We asked her whether she probably wants to dissolve all the wrong rumors associated with her daughter, but received the same answer: “You can not imagine whom you are dealing with…”
The talk with James Bond’s mother in law couldn’t go on. So we had to get information from Oksana’s friends
Oksana was born in 1970. Since she was four, she’d been studying fortepiano. She was not favored in the school: studied well, didn’t hang out, learned music and read Chekhov. Tall, skinny and pimpled face. But by the final year in school she turned a real beauty. Then commenced conservatory in Kazan, and in three years went to capture England.
From volunteers into modelsOksana came to England in 1991, as a volunteer, and looked after an old woman for some time. She charmed the hostess’ son, and then he played a great role in her destiny. She gave free concerts in chapels, private piano lessons and worked as a waitress. She was lucky to be accepted in a prestigious cafй not too far from Royal palace. Sometimes members of the family visited the place, and it is there prince Charles’ cousin and at the same time the family photograph Patric Ansen who spotted her. The Russian waitress got a few contracts from fashion magazines straight away. Her face was at the first cover of Royal calendar. She was shot in an evening dress of lady Dianna (the princess was alive then), in queen Elizabeth’s furs. Changed a bad-sounding family name to the mother’s Grigorieva and tried herself in British cinema. First roles for the screen did not give success, but money.
Then the ex-hostess’ son presented her to one of a sportswear company owners. This new boyfriend took her to elite society. At one cinema festivals she met Nikita Mikhalkov, who brought his infamous “Burnt by the Sun” to England. He asked her to be a translator, and this is how she met Timothy Dalton…
Photo album
In a family photo album of Oksana’s parents there is a photo where she and Dalton together with the Clintons couple stand at the White House lawn. American ex-president and ex-James Bond are still friends.
Oksana’s friends comment: “Many went abroad, but she did an impossible thing: married a principal bachelor Dalton and born a baby for him!”
The only thing Oksana couldn’t do is change Dalton’s personality in regards to money: he never squandered money. However, when her parents’ shop was burnt, James Bond’s heart moved after her long prayers…
Oksana’s rival loves her son
Three years ago her parents have been to Hollywood to celebrate the couple’s son, Alexander Peter Dalton, 3rd birthday (Dalton paid for the trip). Right after the visit her mother’s interview was on TV late at night. She couldn’t hide her joy: “Oksana’s got a lot of friends there. Vanessa Redgrave for example. Despite she used to be in love with Dalton and lived 14 years together with him, she stepped over the personal offence. She communicates with Oksana and enjoys playing with Alexander. What relationships! And Dalton is such a cute young man!” (Dalton is two years older than Oksana’s mother). She spoke little of the grandson: “She looks pretty much like his father, already elegant and prudish. So I called him officially, Alexander Peter”
The grandfather was more emotional about him: “Speaks in two languages, English and Russian. If only I could do that!”
They brung no valuables from that trip. “Dalton doesn’t give us money. He’s got a principle: everyone should earn their own life”, confessed Oksana’s mother.
Oskana expects nothing from Dalton
Everyone knows Dalton had passionate affairs with Brook Shields and Elizabeth Taylor, and last 14 years before he met Oksana he had spent with an English actress Vanessa Redgrave. At first he did not want to believe he was the kid’s father. But then he even gave an interview, where for the first time spoke more about himself and not his creative work: “I felt what it means to be a father. Child helps to alter the vision of the world. Suddenly you realize that life is the most wonderful miracle on Earth”
Oksana’s mum has never denied her daughter lives with Dalton in a civil marriage with a contract. This contract states Dalton does only provide Oksana with current spendings, but should they part, she would unlikely receive anything. The child is much luckier: he is the successor of Dalton’s savings. However, American and British press claim there is no warning to teir family life. Dalton still works in TV series and sometimes in theatre. Oksana looks after the 6 years old son.
Reporters, regardless, wait for sensations from this family. It is known that two years ago Oksana’s sister came to England too. Media answers its own “why?”: “To find another James Bond for herself”
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I assume this was a translation from Russian. Sounded like a Russian trying to speak english. Funny they kept calling Timothy Dalton James Bond.
ReplyDeleteAlso, Oksana looks different in the pictures. Granted, she was younger but it seems like she has had some work done since.
"Umm, fans? I think he could have just called all of them and let them know. There could not be more than one or two."
ReplyDeleteMaybe not on this site but the comments on some of the other blogs have been very pro Mel.
Google translate is funny.
ReplyDeleteThey forgot to mention Timothy dated Whoopi in between Redgrave and Oksana.
ReplyDeleteugh, that made my brain hurt. She looked much prettier without the fishlips.
ReplyDeleteAnd @ _-_=_, that makes sense as to why Whoopi would defend Mel then! Oksana took Dalton from her or Dalton moved on to Oksana after he and Whoopi broke up, either way, some jealousy on Whoopi's part. Knew it had to be something for her to speak out on Mel's behalf. PS, what did the rest of her "View" castmates think of her remarks? Doesn't that red-head big mouth have a show on CNN or something?
she was much prettier before she f*cked with her face.
ReplyDeleteTHis article is a classic. I love the slant it gives--like an amateur puff piece. So easy to read between the lines: for instance, obvious that she took up with her employer's son in England and then used used used him for all his connections. Yup, she's a piece of work. But no one deserves the emotional and physical beating that Mel gave her.
ReplyDeleteI have been reading other sites including the news sites and I have to agree with Alice, its VERY pro Mel and anti Oksana. They all seem to believe that Mel was set up (anyone else ever been in an argument on the phone and politely wait for the other person to finish before continuing your rant?) and that Oksana had extortion in mind from the beginning. I see that Robin says he never hit her (his wife of 30 years) yet all the sudden beats this one -- and no more have crawled out of the woodwork to jump on the bandwagon? If you abuse one, you abuse others. I realized this when I worked with battered women. I just have the feeling this is her idea of ruining him because he didn't marry her and she didn't get half his property.
ReplyDeleteJust another reason why I love CDaN, then - anti-Mel!
ReplyDeleteMel, please leave. We don't want you.
ReplyDeleteMan, she was GORGEOUS before she started with the plastic surgery crap.
ReplyDelete@ Alice D Millionaire - I know, I've read many pro-Mel comments. Sickening to say the least, but not surprising, sadly.
She was married twice before the relationship with Dalton.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-06-28/mel-gibsons-ugly-split-with-oksana-grigorieva/
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"She was always determined to get to the West," Valentina Yeltsova, a former teacher of Grigorieva's, told The Mirror. "Oksana used to like English at school. It seemed like she was preparing herself for a better future and aiming to study as much as she could to escape from this country."
Grigorieva's first husband, a man from her town whom she married when she was 19, resented her aspirational yearnings. When she won a local beauty contest and was asked to participate in one in Moscow, he refused to let her go. He was also reportedly a drug addict. After six months, the marriage was over.
Next was, in 1992, a short-lived marriage to Nicholas Rowland, a graphic designer, followed by a stint at the Royal College of Music, where she met the much older Bergman, who brought her to the film premiere party where she met Dalton.
But until now, some former acquaintances of the Ukrainian beauty would never describe her as a victim. Alan Bergman, a former ballet dancer and businessman, whom Grigorieva lived with for two years in London in the mid-1990s, has flat-out called her "an opportunist" for ditching him for James Bond star Timothy Dalton, after meeting him at a party. (He claimed that she had left her second husband for him.)
"Within a week, she had moved in with [Dalton] and I never saw her again. She was a very lovely girl, but a bit of an opportunist. Many Russian young women are. She came from a tiny town," Bergman, who clearly has reason to be bitter, told the Telegraph.
When British socialite Basia Briggs, a former neighbor of Grigorieva's, heard this claim, she said, "Things happen in life, but Oksana isn't an opportunist… It's just unfortunate that she has had bad luck with men."
Grigorieva grew up in Soviet-era Ukraine, where her father sold potatoes and her mother conducted an orchestra at the local chicken factory (she was paid in eggs). From a young age, she saw a future for herself on the other side of the Iron Curtain.
As so many have said, Oksana is a gold-digger, but Mel is at the very least a hateful bigot.
ReplyDeletethanks, nosy parker.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes I agree, Whoopi's comments make better sense now. Can't blame a girl for trying to better the circumstances though, if done with dignity etc.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I do not believe Robin's declaration of Mel not physically abusing her.
Loved Timothy Dalton as James Bond!
ReplyDelete@Mooshki, you forgot "who punches women in the face".
ReplyDeleteRQ, I think that's likely, but I think there's a small chance he didn't hit her and the tapes were manipulated to make it sound like he admitted it, so I'm reserving judgment until the police investigate.
ReplyDeleteNo one should get a beat down.
ReplyDeleteEveryone is Team Mel now?
Great.
Eww - so not on Team Mel. I also don't believe his first wife - if anyone has incentive to keep quiet, she does.
ReplyDeleteI am getting confused about why people are questioning whether the tapes were manipulated. Even if they are, he still said some horrible, hateful things. That alone should convince people that he is a rabid, hate-filled person. I guess, however, people have very short memories. How many years ago did he spew his anti-Semitism? What a disgusting person. Perhaps the cops manipulated that situation, too.
I'm with KLM. You can't make someone say the kinds of things Mel said. He is filled with hate. After the DUI thing, I promised myself I'd never see another one of his movies. No matter what kind of person Oksana is, I'm still going to be anti-Mel.
ReplyDeleteShe's one shitty gold digger. She lived with Dalton but failed to get any money out of him except for her kid. Any court would have done that for her. Now with Gibson, it's been reported that she signed an agreement with him that if anything happened between them that she wouldn't receive any money from him but the baby would be taken care of. Once again, any court would have done that for her...it's called child support. Two major stars where she could have gotten a good chunk of change off of and she didn't. She sucks at being a gold digger if you ask me. As for old men spending money on younger women...if that is all that constitutes gold digging, well, shit, that's what? 90% of those relationships? And I'm low balling that percentage.
ReplyDeleteThese successful/rich men date women much younger than themselves cause they can. These beautiful women date these men cause they can. However, the women are the ones who get shit on in the end. How about these men start dating women their own age and "level" if they are really looking for true love? Cause they want a hot piece of ass on their arm. After all this bullshit with Mel Gibson, I have to applaud Hugh Jackman. His wife may not be a beauty queen and a hard body but he knows she really loves his ass. Smart guy. (I know you guys say he's gay...blah blah blah...but let's just say he's not for this argument)
@Mooshki - if you think he may not have punched her, then I guess you have to believe the tapes are doctored and that he doesn't REALLY admit punching her, right? Ridiculous. He did it.
ReplyDeletekinda off topic. gold diggers "use men to live a certain lifestyle". they don't want to earn a living (period) to provide a that desired lifestyle.
ReplyDeletei agree that much older men have to spend money (gifts) on a much younger woman. i would expect to be wined and dined, cash and gifts if i dated an old geezer, but to expect a "standard of living" is unrealistic and ridiculous.
i don't feel sorry for mel, if he was being used. because you know what, he could have gotten it "snipped". being the crazy, religious fanatic that he is, well we know why he did not.
i suspect that gerard is snipped by now. lol.
Why are people attacking the victim? No one is disputing it's him on the tapes. If they are, they're delusional. There's no question that he punched her out while she was holding their baby. He admits it on the tape. He goes on to spew the nastiest, most vile and racist rant I've heard in a good while ... and people are talking about her?
ReplyDeleteAs for Mel staying, I had had a really pretty good day up until I read that. Thanks a lot, Enty.
That's really ironic that Pravda posted this interview, because that was main communist newspaper where they have been slamming America, capitalism etc. for about 70 years. They also slammed young people who were listening to Beatles or wore jeans or shared democratic views.
ReplyDeleteAnd now they praise a gold-digger and her special "achivements" in getting pregnant with Dalton's child.
Ok, I'm team Oksana all the way.
i still stand by what i said before. it IS entirely possible that he may not have been abusive years ago, but the money, power and booze combined with a likely early onset dementia/alzheimers (and quite possibly bi-polarism that may have been around a long time).
ReplyDeletehe used to be such a charmer, and i think "passion" pushed him over the edge.
i'm always shocked if i try reading comments on other sites. after wading through the "frist!"s, the average IQ seems to be that of a grade schooler. THOSE are the gibson fans. that's why i like it here. we're an intelligent, informed group, who for the MOST part play nice with each other (except for summers and other school holidays).
even if i'm right, that's not an excuse for him to hit, push, shake, whatever he did to break her teeth, or to verbally abuse her. if his personality has changed, his people should know. william morris cut him loose, you know they had good reason.
I've worked for a domestic violence agency too and based on the audio tape that I've heard Mel is definitely an abuser. Just because Robyn won't admit that he abused her and her children doesn't mean he never verbally abused them.
ReplyDeleteIn regards to Whoopi I wonder if she has slept with Mel Gibson as she admitting to cheating before and obviously has no respect for monogamous relationships.
And as far as Oksana is concerned, now that I'm educated on the "kept woman rules" I really don't care if she was with Mel for his money. This is a very common agreement between men and attractive women just like reality show participants are the new "celebrities". It's a legal contract and a very easy way for many people to get ahead in life.
I read somewhere that a lot of this media "Mel didn't do it" came from an 'expert' psychologist who went on record that because Mel hadn't hit his ex-wife or kids, there is no way he hit Oksana because it doesn't fit the pattern. The 'expert' said that in domestic violence, someone who hits their family would also be hitting other people and it would be obvious. This scares me that someone would generalize a case in this way. Disgusting.
ReplyDelete...oh and not to mention it's complete horseshit! Domestic violence doesn't have a set pattern that is followed. That is irresponsible journalism.
ReplyDeleteIt get worse John.
ReplyDeleteThat quote is from Judge Scott Gordon.
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Yesterday, TMZ.com reported that observers in the court said that Judge Gordon decided that Mad Mel was no threat because of a sworn statement made to the court by his soon-to-be ex-wife, Robyn, who said he never hit her or acted in a violent way toward their seven children.
The statement particularly resonated with Gordon because he is a former domestic-violence prosecutor who believes that if a man is violent with one woman, he's likely to be violent with all the women in his life, the Web site said.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/gun_shy_gibson_J4VYbQCN9GLeSR8cVSwXPL
She looks so much prettier back then. Now she has "Joker Mouth." Why do women do that to themselves?
ReplyDeleteThanks NoseyParker, I knew I had read it somewhere. I didn't quite get the quote right but the judge's response is insane!
ReplyDelete@ john and nosey:
ReplyDeleteare you kidding me? wow. did this shrink actually interview him or just roll this off the top of his head?
unbelievable.
@ bionic bunny!
ReplyDeleteJohn was right about the quote, but wrong about who said it. There wasn't an 'expert' psychologist.
THE JUDGE making the descisions on Mel and Oksana's case said "If a man is violent with one woman, he's likely to be violent with all the women in his life."
Judge Gordon considers himself knowlegable because he was a domestic violence prosecutor.
I went over and read the original Pravda article - this is the most literal piece of translation I've ever seen and SO confusing.
ReplyDeleteShe looks SO much more Russian without all the terrible plastic surgery and to be honest, none of this surprises me. There are lots of women in Russia like this, which really annoys me but I don't know, I think it's something to do with the old intelligentsia.
This whole situation is so suspect, in terms of Oksana. Was there any doubt that she was a gold digger in the first instance? Now she is a victim and has the sympathy of everyone, so she wins, I suppose. Manipulatig a situation sounds about right.
I don't think people realize just how hard life in the Ukraine was during those years (and still is for many). Of course many young women would dream of coming to the USA to escape a life of poverty! Wouldn't you? Oksana sounds to me like she was actually a naive romantic who kept chasing after the "perfect" Hollywood relationship/lifestyle (like they imagine from the movies they see back home).
ReplyDeleteIf Oksana was truly calculating and opportunistic, she would have hired a good lawyer to get her a large financial settlement from Timothy Dalton (rather than just child support).
Just a note on the "Mel-supporters". There are rumors out there that a whole bunch of new IDs popped up on the 5-10 top gossip sites and all these new IDs are mainly active in the defence of Mel.. not much posting on other topics. i wish i remember where i read it - but it seems this could be a damage control situation spinned by Mel's people.
ReplyDeleteoh, and my favourite book is not Catcher in the Rye. :D
HOLY FUCKING SHIT!
ReplyDeleteRadar just realeased another tape.
TEAM OKSANA ALL-THE-WAY!
I cannot believe this fucker still has supporters. He's mental. You have to be a complete moron to still believe MEL (suck-my-cock) GIBSON
Fuck Him. He's through.
TEAM GIBSON
ReplyDeleteJMO
ReplyDeleteI think Mel was tempted by the devil.