Dad Dies - Tiger Cheats - I Have Questions
Does anyone get the feeling there is more to this Tiger Woods marriage then we actually know? Back in January when I was tipped about Tiger Woods cheating it came from a Swedish journalist. He threw it around like it was no big deal. He had heard it from the Swedish end so Elin or her family. She must have known all of this was going on right? I don't care how much money you have it is tough hiding one affair from your partner let alone 10 people at a time. It just isn't possible if you have a close relationship with your partner.
I think something happened Thanksgiving weekend which was out of the normal. Either a disease or a pregnancy or the announcement someone was going to leave. Something out of the ordinary happened.
Also think about the story which came out this weekend. Jamie Jungers who I showed in her Today show interview Friday told News Of The World she had sex with Tiger in Tiger's house the night his father died. The family knew Tiger's dad was going to die but where was Elin? In a close family wouldn't you be with your partner if their dad was on his death bed?
Instead Tiger was cheating on his wife, gets out of bed to say goodbye to his dad, comes back and has more sex and has Jamie in his bed when he gets the news his dad died. There is just way way more to all of this than Tiger cheating on Elin.
Sounds like the usual celebrity marriage as a business arrangement. Are we looking for something more nefarious?
ReplyDeleteI agree that Elin knew about the extramarital affairs. I also agree that something out of the ordinary (by Elin's definition or the standards of their marriage) occurred on Thanksgiving that started this whole downward spiral.
ReplyDeleteI still reckon he got one of the floozies up the duff, hence Elin's reaction and the furore afterwards.
ReplyDeleteI think most celebrity couples know that their spouse may stray but I don't think Elin had any idea how many mistresses Tiger had. These aren't one night stands.
ReplyDeleteTwo thoughts on this post.
ReplyDelete1) I somehow doubt Ent was "tipped off" about it almost a year ago, and 2) You would think that someone who is a billionaire would be smart enough to make a confidentiality agreement/contract with his mistresses so that something like this didn't happen. That is all. :)
I think a lot of them were just floozies, bimbos, etc that he slept with, but for some reason Rachel was different...and maybe that's what pushed Elin over the edge. Rachel was getting a little too close for comfort.
ReplyDeleteI say this based on what I've read about Rachel and Tiger's relationship, and how he supposedly is still in contact with her and wants to be with her. Who knows...but I can believe it.
I'm not going to blame her, sorry. But yes, I wouldn't be surprised if she knew something was up before. Maybe he told her he'd stop, or swore not to publicly humiliate her, or something like that. And then things blew up.
ReplyDeleteWhatever it was, it mattered to her in some way, either because she cared about him and their marriage or because he broke a promise to her, or something. Or she wouldn't have gotten that pissed off.
She has two very young children. That can make a woman feel vulnerable and constrained in a way that she might not if there were no children involved. Walking out becomes emotionally and logistically more difficult, even if you have the financial resources she has.
I feel nothing but contempt for him. In addition to being a shitty husband who put his wife at risk of STDs, he sounds like a cavalier lover who walked away when he was ready and managed to raise the hopes of some of these stupid, deluded broads that he cared about them. What a thorough-going, full-on asshole he is.
i'll say it again. i believe she knew of his affairs, but something else ticked her off. one of the big mouth golfers alluded to the fact that she knew. spouses of wealthy persons tend to look the other way the majority of the time. they get so accustomed to a luxurious lifestyle.
ReplyDeletetrue, elin was low-key, but she has access to anything she wants because she is married to him.
this is nothing new.
@Sue Ellen - The tip was the blind item about the world class golfer cheating was posted in January: http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2009/11/blind-items-revealed.html
ReplyDeletePregnancy or STI sounds like the best bet.
Karmen:
ReplyDeleteRight, right, right. Thanks for jogging my memory; I take it back.
Don't forget that the tabloids were all over the Rachel/Tiger thing Thanksgiving weekend.
ReplyDeleteHowever you should also remember that there was extensive damage to a rental house they occupied at one of his English tournaments.
So theoretically there is at least two "incidents" which have been triggered. Tiger might have promised good behavior after the first and been subsequently exposed to have lied.
While I'm with Team Elin I do have to note that she appears to have a temper.
She had to know. Especially if the women were in her house, which I consider the height of disrespect. I think Enty is on the right track here. Loved the "nefarious" remark Little Miss S & M.
ReplyDeleteBy the way am I the only person who remembers reading a year or two ago about an incident at an Orlando strip club where some of Tiger's security types grabbed a camera off of a customer? I don't know where or when I read it but I do recall Tiger mentioned by name. I only recall reading that once so I doubt that it was headlined in any of the mainstream media.
ReplyDeleteYou know what else I don't get about this? He's got an out now, why doesn't he take it? People who are happy with their relationship tend to not cheat on their significant other, sooooooooooooo... what's the problem? Now he's free to sleep around. I wonder why he's fighting so hard to keep his marriage going. It can't just be his career.
ReplyDeleteI THINK YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT ONE THING...THE STD OR THE PREGNANCY...SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT BUSINESS AS NORMAL FOR THEM...
ReplyDeleteAS FOR THE REST, WHO REALLY KNOWS...?
We know that Tiger didn't cover his club so an STD or a new cub is likely. Even when the wife has chosen to look the other way, it's hard to overlook public humiliation.
ReplyDeleteI don't know that I would base anything on that Jaime person. Isn't she the one that says she isn't an escort, but the escort service has her tax records and application, etc? She could twist the story to make it even more salacious so that her name gets into the papers faster....
ReplyDeleteOH yeah, and I do also agree that there was a trigger beyond the one night stands. Maybe the mistresses that have said that condoms weren't used or even just a text message that says more than just "let's hook up". The released voice mail to Rachele was of Tiger saying Erin went through his phone. Maybe she simply started to notice that someone was a repeat number, so Elin looked and found text messages that were more suggestive of an affair than a one night thing. Yes, I am rambling :)
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ReplyDeleteSince january!?!? Enty u old bacon lover u were holding out on us.
ReplyDeleteFrom what I can gather, there is a lil tiger woods in one of these vag's growing and glowin.
Tigers a dirty dog and with all that money he has, he shoulda got himself an effn fabulous fixer...he needs to be edumacated on the lifestyle...
Count me in as one of those people who believe they had an agreement, but he did something (got caught by the press? pregnancy? STD? or worse?) that was violated the agreement.
ReplyDeleteHe was taking Elin for granted and she wasn't as compliant as he thought.
I'm thinking that Elin knew about the affair, and maybe didn't know that he was going for the whole buffet (multiple affairs), or he broke whatever promises he made to her vis a vis the affairs; for example, don't get anyone pregnant, use condoms, BE DISCREET (you've got endorsements, for God's sake!!). If this was a business arrangement, I'd tell him he broke the contract and sue him over the pre-nup. Tiger is an IDIOT.
ReplyDeletesue ellen, i'm guessing he's so worried about his endorsements. if he does not plan on changing, then he needs to divorce.
ReplyDeletethere are a few lone athletes who will not succumb to sport organizations' or corporate spoonsors' pressures to get married. if they are going to whore around, stay single. this goes for anyone unless you have an open marriage which has its own rules.
many believe that marriage with kids means stability and respectability.
This shit just gets more rich. What's next? Tiger was abducted by aliens??
ReplyDeletewhat i can't help but wonder...the best friend, bryan whatshisname, the one that got married this wkend...how could that bride go thru w/ it, marrying a guy she knows is skeevy enough to coordinate the extramarital hookups for his best friend? wth. i so would've called off that wedding.
ReplyDeleteI'm having a hard time with this story too. On the one hand, I tend to agree that Elin had to know something because he was so prolific there was just no way to hide all of that cheating. On the other hand, her anger (over what exactly, we don't know) was extremely passionate. I would think that if you were dispassionate enough to completely ignore your husband's infidelities, even when something really bad came up you'd be more of the "I don't get angry, I get even" mindset.
ReplyDeleteFor her to react the way she did on Thanksgiving, she has to still feel somewhat emotionally invested in this man or she wouldn't have been going after him and his car with clubs.
They had two children together both are very young. I would think if she was completely aware of the state of their marriage it would have been one kid for the cameras and she's done.
But as an earlier commenter said, if the announcement that triggered things on Thanksgiving was that he was leaving her to be with Rachel, then Tiger has his perfect out. Why is he going through the motions of "trying to save his marriage?"
Enty, very mysterious. I honestly don't give a crap about whether these two people stay married but I hope they figure out that they need to be putting those kids first.
Tiger told his girlfriends that he was in an unhappy marriage. Maybe Elin turned cold because she found out that he was cheating, but stayed for the status of being his wife.
ReplyDeleteIf she didn't care, then why check his phone?
I think she got upset because of a pregnancy or a text that sounded like he was in love with the other woman. She had settled for a loveless marriage and worried that she was going to lose that too.
If he was too dumb to use condoms, he sure wouldn't be smart enough to have them sign confidentiality agreements.
ReplyDeleteI feel that Elin found out well before Thanksgiving weekend, but I don't believe she knew all along. She seemed to really love him. Maybe I'm just naive.
ReplyDeleteSue Ellen Mishkey said...
ReplyDelete... what's the problem? Now he's free to sleep around. I wonder why he's fighting so hard to keep his marriage going. It can't just be his career.
He doesn't want to have to marry one of the ho's. Married, he can always use the excuse that a divorce would be too costly, Elin might take the kids out of the country, etc, while still claiming to "love" the mistress, at least for a while.
I just can't get myself worked up over this Tiger scandal. He's a major superstar, there's no way he'd settle down for a monogamous life. Elin could wear nothing but an apron and high heels all day, and give him bjs every night, and dude would still be hitting most every skank who comes his way. That's how men are.
ReplyDeleteHaving said that, I totally agree that Elin must have known he was cheating, and therefore the Thanksgiving blowout is about something far worse. My guess is he gave her The Herp or HIV, since some bacterial STI could be easily dealt with, and a bastard on the horizon wouldn't make Tiger to want to stay in a crap marriage.
My two cents for what it's worth...
ReplyDeleteTiger (or Cheetah as my husband likes to call him) behaved like any other child star who realized the world was his playground. He was groomed to be a professional golfer from age 3, fell into the "rock star" lifestyle, married to give his parents grandchildren, and never grew up. Classic Peter Pan.
Elin must have had a taste of fame and fell out of love with the arranged marriage sometime over Thanksgiving and wanted more than she was getting. What I don't understand is why she would even think about leaving with half when she could stay and have it all. She obviously put up with this shit before it hit the fan, so what's different now.
He should apologize to the world, come up with a new arrangement with wifey, and be discreet in the future.
I'll be blunt: Any of you viewing Elin as 'wife' are deluding yourselves. Elin is an employee, just like Fluff (his long-term caddie) was. And Tiger's relationship with Fluff didn't end well, either.
ReplyDeleteMy guess -- and again, I'm going to cut the PC/aspirational/he-should-be-a-good-father-and-role-model crap and get to the reality of the situation -- is that she wanted some action on the side. And in a situation like this, the contractual wife CANNOT fuck around -- because the contractual husband cannot, and will not, want to pay for someone else's kid. (And dragging your fake-wife through a paternity challenge would kind of defeat the purpose of the arrangement.)
Tiger can buy ANYTHING he wants. That's the world he lives in. He wanted kids and a family. So he bought one. The rest of us have to earn that wife/husband and family -- but people in Tiger's rarefied world do not. Everything -- absolutely everything -- has a price, and Tiger can afford most of those theoretical prices out there. Like it or not, that's the simple fact of our reality today.
I will now go back to not caring about any of this.
"Tiger (or Cheetah as my husband likes to call him)"
ReplyDeleteLisa - LMFAO. Your husband is funny.
Elin knew something, she probably just didn't know it all.
ReplyDeleteTiger just shouldn't have gotten married. If he hadn't been married, this would have been a non-issue. He has lost too much respect by this.
Also, he allegedly idolized his dad. You're dad is dying in a hospice and you're not there with him until the end? You're at your home f**king your mistress? My mother died in a hospice and I was there with her. Saddest but most comforting moment of my life. Given the circumstances, I wouldn't have wanted it any other way. The last thing that I would have done was being out there screwing around.
Tiger's relationship with his father and wife are clearly not what they are portrayed to be.
Okay show of hands... Who is waiting for Elin's tell all book?
ReplyDelete(me!)
I think she knew something was up, but I don't think she knew he was banging half of the free World. And agree something craptastic went down on Turkey day. Something triggered her "helping" him out of the car.
I just really really hope her health isn't in jeopardy (like HIV)
@ A Pimp Named DaveR - having never been in a relationship such as theirs, I had no idea she didn't get to play around, too. Interesting take on things - maybe she told him she was eyeing the pool boy.
ReplyDeleteOne thing I just don't understand..... these days EVERYBODY has a cell phone, digital camera, facebook, myspace, etc. Why is there not even ONE picture anywhere of Tiger with any of these women? Many have said he made no effort to hide things. That being said, i still believe the dalliances went on. Why is it so much fun to watch the mighty fall??
ReplyDeleteEllie he admitted to his "infidelities" over the weekend so yes they did occur.
ReplyDelete@ellie "Why is it always so much fun to watch the might fall?"
ReplyDeleteI always felt like there was something off-putting about him, something false. When interviewed, I never felt he was being genuine. So it's fascinating to see the behind the carefully constructed facade.
Okay, I've been discussing this Tiger nonsense ad nauseum with people all week and I have just one thing to say that I haven't heard said: his mistresses suck. Seriously, if you're in a long-term relationship with a married dude, a dude you claim to love, it's pretty disgusting to throw him under a bus for a paycheque as soon as you possibly can.
ReplyDeleteThe whole situation is a clusterfuck of fail, there's no doubt about that, and pretty much everyone is wrong on every side. But that's what makes it so entertaining!
I think Tiger was a tightwad when it came to paying off his mistresses with the exception of Rachel Uquitel.
ReplyDeleteThat's why they're selling their stories. They can get paid, brag about the affair and get back at him for not giving them whatever money etc. he wouldn't give up during the relationship.
*Jumping onto the STD/Little tiger babies train.
ReplyDeleteElin should get the most money she can from him and run. Once the children grow up, write a tell all book.
Two words: sex tape.
ReplyDeleteNoseyParker...Tiger told his girlfriends that he was in an unhappy marriage.
ReplyDelete*every* cheating guy tells his GF that he's in an unhappy marriage. That means nothing about whether the marriage really is unhappy or not, just that he tells the woman that so she thinks she has a chance to be the next Mrs.
I doubt that there is a mini-Tiger floating in someone's belly. If there were, we would have heard about it already from one of the fame whores. I'll innocently say that I think what happened was that Tiger was in an accident from sleep-driving while on Ambien. That gave the press - which has already known of the affairs for a long time (no reason to think only Enty was tipped off long ago!) - license to explore Tiger's other stuff.
Elin may not have known that Tiger was having an affair. It's very easy to live in denial when you don't really want to know the truth. Or perhaps she knew he had a mistress, but not *11* of them (or whatever the count is up to now). I just hope she demanded that Tiger wear a condom with *her*.
If I were Elin there would be no need for a condom because he wouldn't be coming near me. Infidelity is clearly ground for divorce and she can take half (if not more) of the tightwad's fortune.
ReplyDeleteAnd all the women are getting is their 15 minutes of fame and the rePUTAtion of being known for having sex with a married professional golfer.
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ReplyDeletewow, everyone has an opinion. tons of comments here.
ReplyDeletei have a friend whose husband was a musician. he cheated a lot and she knew it. she made him a deal---don't do it in town. don't let it get back to me. don't embarrass me. in other words, be discreet.
well, he couldn't even keep THAT sweetheart deal.
i suspect it's something this simple. he wasn't careful in australia, the enquirer was on it and then everyone was going to know.
and while elin most likely did know, i doubt she knew the scope of the....uh.....problem.
I heard there may be nudie photos of Tiger & his Woodie about to surface.
ReplyDeleteTotally agree. After all, she is just an "average" girl isn't she? In the sense that she comes from modest means. There are women who would sell themselves to live the life that she is living -- even with the cheating. The fact that she has two children with him means that the gravy train will come into the station for the next 18 plus years for the kids and definitely for her as the ex-wife of an adulterer.
ReplyDeleteI used to have a neighbor who hated Tiger. She rooted for him to lose every tournament. All because she said he did something to insult her home country, Canada. I think he spit on a national monument or something. so I just think it's hilarious picturing her up in heaven, or wherever your spirit goes, orchestrating his downfall a year after she passed away. I can just see her grinning from ear to ear.
ReplyDeleteLook, i think it is not that simple. About the swedish journalist being the one who told Ent,that doenst mean much...
ReplyDeleteBecause i read somewhere that a Swedish celebrity posted in her blg that she was in fact approached by people form Tigers entourage to be one of his girlfriends, and she had said no...so my guess here is that he hwas made so many attempts with so many women, even in Sweden, that the guy was actually a internal joke after all
doesnt mean exactly that the wife knew it and was ok ....
and, if i remember correctly, he was asking some of his mistress to hide numbers and names on the cell phone, cuase his wife was on them...
Usually Ent is right, but now he missed this two points...
what i think it might have happened is that she found out about one affair some time ago, and they agreeded upon solving the problems and giving it a try, but the relationship was frosty and she was never able to trust him again, and when she found out everything, she lost it
that makes more sense
If I were Elin, I'd renegotiate the post-nup so I'd agree to stay with Tiger for a year or two in exchange for being able to move the kids back to Sweden without a legal challenge when the marriage is officially over. Right now, couldn't he legally keep the kids in the US?
ReplyDeletea pimp named daver, so non-pc but so closer to the truth.
ReplyDeleteanother thing, a person can be a BAD spouse, but be a GOOD parent. it is not impossible. marriage is between the adults not the kids.
ReplyDeleteHer mother was a Swedish minister at one time, and her family is well educated and fairly well off. She is no opportunistic bimbo, as far as I've heard.
ReplyDeleteEli - Enty didn't hold out on us, he posted this in a not-so-blind blind 11 months ago.
ReplyDeleteI referred Len to you site - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/14/AR2009121401836.html?hpid=topnews
@ Quintessential Southerner While that can be true, I would argue that in this case he could not have been a good parent by any definition.
ReplyDeleteHe had at least 11 other women in his life, many of whom were not one night stands but long term affairs stretching out over months and years. So let's just say he's only seeing each woman once every three months, that works out to a seeing a mistress every single weekend to keep up. We know he was seeing some of these women much more frequently than that, so that means week nights too. We know many of these women lived in Las Vegas, New York, London, etc so either he was traveling when he saw them or they were travelling together.
All of this adds up to a lot of time spent with other women and very little time left over for your two children. So no, I don't think Tiger was being a good parent in this case.
Here's a question....
ReplyDeleteIf your dad is dying why are you screwing a strumpet, when you could be spending Dad's last hrs. on earth with him?
I think A Pimp Named DaveR is right on point.
ReplyDelete@f you wrote at 3:46pm "She is no opportunistic bimbo" I would disagree with you. She was a working model when she met Tiger, to me that is the height of opportunism.
Is anyone surprised that Tiger had this part of his life that was apparently so out of control? The public persona was so tightly controlled with little emotion; did you not think he was doing something other than stuffing his emotions?
Let's get back to the accident and it's immediate aftermath. Did Tiger hide domestic violence on Elin's part. If he did would it be easier to make this go away by cooperating with the authorities sending Elin to jail (mandatory in FL) and if she has not become a citizen, that would result in her being deported. Given that would even FL let her keep the kids.
Given the suggestive evidence of domestic violence on Elin's part what in personality drove the course of events to where they are now? Yes there dogs in life but a marriage has two sides.
My favorite part of this thread is the sanctimonious hope that 'both' Elin and Tiger are putting the kids first. Since there's so much evidence that beyond being an avaricious dummy and husband-beater, Elin also, *obviously,* doesn't put her kids first. I've always wanted to be acquainted with Helen Lovejoy, so that's awesome.
ReplyDeleteHey you guys remember that very old gossip site called 'The A List?' I dug it up, and even though it's six years out of date, look at what they have for Tiger. It's dead-on:
ReplyDeleteWoods, Tiger. Emotionally and mentally immature, for all his skill and composure on the golf course. Cheap and a bad tipper for all his millions. Greedy. Has a thing for gambling, strippers, hookers, and porn. Very rude to the little people. Has a jones for blonde white women.
I don't hear anyone mentioning the Vicodin. I know I've heard Vicodin more than once throughout all this mess. I think he's addicted to drugs too. Serious problems here! Loved the Madam that came forward and talked about how he liked girl on girl and ordered up 10 to 15 women at a time. No kidding Elin was pissed!
ReplyDeleteThe Rachael gal is probably knocked up and is living on the boat at Palm Beach with Tiger now.
ReplyDeleteardleigh, I think that is the biggest evidence that he didn't think of Rachel as a strumpet. If I was about to lose someone important to me, I'd want someone I cared about to be by my side. Obviously, the one who cared could not be at the hospice with the rest of the family. Tough call, but I can't judge him for grieving the way he needed to.
ReplyDeleteyeah, i am on team "rachel was his madam". Im pretty sure he was at least smart enough to have people (like rachel and that other guy, brian(?) ) arrange things for him, make sure there were girls to be had, and that they shut the h-l up afterwards.
ReplyDeleteAs for Elin, she was a nanny for Parnevik when they met, but she is not just some stupid girl, as far as I have been told.
All of you need to mind your own business. I would bet 95% of you have some problem you need to be taking care of at this very moment. Your lives are so pathetic because you are spending so much of your time diving into someone else’s business and very little examining your own. How many of you can say you have never cheated on a boy friend or girl friend, husband or wife. Can you say you have never been cheated on by your husband or wife, boy or girl friend? All I need to know about Tiger is he is the greatest golfer on the face of the planet. What he does when he is off the golf course is his business. What he does in his bedrooms is between him, his wife and the groupies that are willing to lay down with him. Get a life.
ReplyDelete@Carissa What evidence is there that Elin wasn't a good parent? Aside from taking a club upside Tiger's head, which does seem ill-advised. I can very pointedly say that Tiger was not being a good or responsible parent. I can say nothing either way about Elin. However, what people say about her is that she keeps her head down and keeps herself and her children out of the limelight. That sounds like reasonable, responsible behavior to me.
ReplyDeleteAnd no, I don't think it's sanctimonious to hope that they are or will become good parents. After the mess they've created for their children, don't they, at least, deserve that?
So if Enty is convinced that there is some sort of arrangement or prior knowledge of the affairs then why did he recently post about how much of a scum bag Tiger is?
ReplyDeleteThe two posts seem to somewhat contradict each other.
I don't think Elin knew about the affairs, if she was content to look the other way then she wouldn't be divorcing him.
ReplyDeleteI have to wonder if maybe there is a woman out there who has not been mentioned yet and is pregnant with Tiger's child? He certainly has the money to make sure the woman stays quiet about the affair and pay for the raising of the child. This story is far from over....
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