Monday, February 25, 2008

Today's Blind Items

I wanted to let everyone know that I know many of you missed Full Frontal Friday this past week. As I said earlier, I have been really busy and have not had the time to do some digging for naked male celebrities. I promise it will be back this week, and it will be better than ever. I already have found something that will make you want to right click and save to your computer, so make sure you stop in for that on Friday.

#1 - This female singer who was featured in this space once before who paid for songs with sex was at it again this weekend. She thought she was done with it all, but an executive from her label made it very clear that she needed to take care of not just one but two very important investors in the label. Oh, and she had to take care of them at the same time. The smile on her face at the parties was definitely all for show.

#2 Who's the daddy? That's what everyone wants to know about this singer we don't talk about anymore.

#3 In what could quite possibly be the oddest hookups in the history of Hollywood hookups occurred this weekend between a married B- list/ C+ actress who also used to be a talk show host, and a married B- list film actor in this country and A in his own. Neither spouse was around and so dinner became drinks and drinks led to one night in his hotel room. I can't see how this would continue any further than one night.


111 comments:

  1. please tell me its not Ricki Lake for #3

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  2. 1. Jennifer Hudson???

    2. no, not Shitney! Who else do we not talk about?

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  3. Idk, Fergie, I guess. but it would be Josh Duhamel's by default.

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  4. 1.- Joss Stone?
    2.- Britney
    3.- Javier Bardem, no clue about the married chick.

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  5. I thought Ricki Lake also!

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  6. Joss Stone fucks for tracks!

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  7. Anonymous1:05 PM

    Tempestt Bledsoe also had a talk show. not sure if she's married.

    Not Javier, since he's not married.

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  8. Ricki Lake is divorced

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  10. #3 Megan Mullally

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  11. How about Whoopi for #3??

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  12. dnfromm, you are right, Javier is not married, and in Spain is common knowledge that he is VERY gay. I was just wild guessing, I'm afraid :)

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  13. Oh PUhleeeeeeeeeez No. Javier gay too? Are there any straight actors???

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  14. Anonymous1:17 PM

    lol

    I guess we all should have seen it coming that Javier is gay...he's been hanging out with Penelope Cruz. If that doesnt scream "I'm Gay" I dont know what else does these days.

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  15. I'm from Spain, and I've never heard Javier Bardem is gay.

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  16. Anonymous1:22 PM

    #1 - whoever you are....is it really worth it, girlfriend?

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  17. 1. Mya/Joss Stone
    2.hmmm could be anybody, can we get a race hint? Taylor Dayne, Jody Whatley?
    3.Oddest???? Vicki Lawrence and Chow Yun Fat???
    LOLOLOLOL

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  18. 1. Joss Stone
    2. J. Lo
    3. no idea

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  19. Anonymous1:25 PM

    praetorian - I don't ever recall Javi being called gay. He did a gay role in a movie (Second Skin, very hot if you're into man-on-man), but it was at a time when every dude in Europe was playing gay.

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  20. I like the Megan Mullally guess for #3.

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  21. Incognito, me too, and I hear about him being gay since "Jamon, Jamon"

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  22. trix .... being married to Tom Cruise would also qualify...

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  23. Dnfromm, Javier has done more than one film portraying gay characters (Before the night falls, anyone?), but that's not the main thing. If you look at his personal bio, you will see that he's been linked with very few women, most of them, as Penelope, cast mates. Very convenient. Oldest trick in Hollywood and every other film industry.

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  24. It's clearly Britney for #2...she's on the list of people EL isn't talking about. As far as I know, there are only 2, Paris & Britney.

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  25. and no offense to any str8 mama's boys but bringing your mom (even if she is a legendary Spanish actress in her own right) to the Oscars is a definite sign you're a MO lol

    Heck Kevin Spacey brought his when he won, NUFF SAID

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  26. Anonymous1:36 PM

    I was wondering if Javier B. is gay. My gay sensor was clicking hahaha.

    #1 Joss Stone - read she would do it for sex. Very low class.

    #2 Britney's sister can't remember her name.

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  27. MontanaMarriot: LOL! I thought the same when I saw them on the red carpet.

    I love Pilar Bardem... Greatest spanish actress alive, Period.

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  28. Regarding Javier - that's what I meant in my post earlier today. We never think of him for any of the blinds about gay actors, but he's single and brought Mom to the Oscars? Sorry, but my gaydar went up last night.

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  29. 1.) Joss Stone-although that's really sad if she was underage and screwing for songs

    2.) Britney pregnant would make a lot of sense-her sis is getting all the attention and she needs replacement kids to scoot around to every gas station in Hollywood.

    3.) Megan sure sounds like a winner to me...but who's the guy? Gerard dePardiu? LOL

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  30. Regarding Javier -If you bring your mom to the Academy Awards you are gay. Isn't that the rules?

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  31. The only singer we don't talk about anymore is Britney Spears.

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  32. #2 Probably isn't Jaime Lynn Spears... she hasn't had the baby yet, so why would Ent post something like this about her? Just to refresh our memory? Nah....

    It probably isn't Nicole Ritchie, Christina or Gwen, soo.....

    I'm thinkin' J.Lo

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  33. first time poster long time reader, blah blah you know the gist. Anyway, what about James Mcavoy for number 3? As much as I love him and his wife but I have a sneaking suspicion. Anyway, you should check out his break through performance in the brit comedy Shameless. It's hysterical. Drugs, booze, delinquents, what's not to love?

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  34. I thought I remembered a posting here? or on another site that the story on Joss Stone boffing for trax was a made-up story perpetuated by someone that had a beef with her...and NOT true......@MontanaMarriott - interesting you'd put Mya...that I'd believe.....@Cosmic ..Mulallly and whooo????

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  35. What about Russell Crowe for #3?

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  36. #1 has got to be Joss Stone.

    #2 I sure as hell hope briney isn't preggers again, and on that note, I don't have a guess.

    #3 Ricki Lake did come to mind, but Megan Mullally is a great guess!

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  37. Didn't either Matt Damon or Ben Affleck take his mom to some red carpet event, too?

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  38. about time!
    i've been saying Brit was knocked up for weeks.

    1- Janet
    2- Brit (adnans)
    3- Megan Mullaly/ Hugh Laurie..lol.

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  39. Oh no, not Javier too. I'm crushed.

    Isn't Megan Mullalley on Broadway in the new Young Frankenstein?

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  40. #1 It's well known on OhNoTheyDidnt that Cassie has or will fuck for tracks.

    Shannon Bex was also mentioned here before.

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  41. Jax, you really DO know all! She probably wanted to compete with her sister. How sick is that?

    Man, don't keep cranking them out, Brit, you can't handle the ones you have now.

    #3. Antonio Banderes?

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  42. I'm not even going to venture any guesses, but would like to add my two cents re: Javier must be gay cause he brought his mother.

    Does no one remember that Adrien Brody brought his mother as his date when he won his Best Actor Oscar? He has quite the rep as being 100% hetero, and has a long-time girlfriend. I've never heard otherwise.

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  43. But do we ever hear of Javier being with anyone? I'm asking because I don't know.

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  44. Does Enty still post about LiLo, cuz she could be pregs, the dirty ho.

    My gaydar does NOT pick up Javier...I just thought he was a nice boy, bringin' his mom...totally possible, though.

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  45. Dammit well with my track record Javier is probably gay, I have a knack for fancying the gay actors...:D

    And Cindy James McAvoy and his wife Anee Marie Duff are very very happy, that was her opposite him in Shameless doing the drugs and sex with him, thats how they met, they're a sweet sweet couple.

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  46. 1. eh?
    2. Britney pregnant?Awesome, that's just what she needs right now. I'm pissed as hell the court granted her the right to see her kids. Get that girl to rehab!
    3. Megan Mulally fits, but I'm not sure about the male actor.

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  47. Anonymous2:36 PM

    #1 is ASHANTI

    it's all over.

    and because of this - she will soon be ditching Irv Gotti and Murder Inc. and joining his enemy 50 Cent's label.

    very juicy!!

    (and i'm disappointed that no one here has heard this yet!!)

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  48. Twist- i know! well i knew that you would know that i would know..you know? lol.
    I figured when the parents started letting Adnan see her..she was knocked the fuck up. now find late photos of her..bingo! big ole belly bump.
    wouldn't it be crazy if Jamie Lynn was all a clever ruse to raise Brit's baby? lol..i can dream.

    on a side..my bro is the biggest queer in barcelona and Javier does not make his gaydar twitch,nor mine. a first.

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  49. Also, Colin Farrell brought his mother as his date last night, and we KNOW he's a one-man hetero wrecking machine!

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  50. p m -- Ohhhhhhh! You're right, we should have seen this coming. That is so the sort of thing Gotti and his crew would do -- and just on general principle, to keep the artist in her place. If she doesn't get to move to Fitty's label, I hope Jay-Z can take her on. Poor girl. I know she's made her choices, but honestly, I'd rather scrub toilets.

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  51. Maybe Javier was just looking to downplay his relationship with Penelope?

    She may have a history of being with "gay" men; however... why not bring your mom to the Oscars when you're a nominee?

    It makes you look like you're a being a good son, major kudo points from the general population I would think...

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  52. Anonymous3:04 PM

    I'm not saying that bringing your mom to an award show definately makes you a 'mo...but I know I've seen Tom Cruise's mommy on the red carpet more than once (and terrible teeth, too, I might add)

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  53. Colin Farrell also took his mom to the Oscars, does it mean he's gay?

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  54. Jax, you know I know! Jesus, someone needs to tie her tubes if she can't be more responsible.

    Hey, I defer to my gays. If your bro doesn't think Javier is gay, he's not gay. It was just a thought anyway. I think it was sweet that he brought his mom and Viggo brought his niece.

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  55. Javier is with Penelope and he took his mother because they don't want to expose their relationship, and because his mother likely wanted to go and he wanted her to be there! Why else would Penelope be there? It's not like she had a movie nominated or is an icon of some kind.

    Not everyone is gay who chooses acting as a profession.

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  56. @ts: well, phew! I'm not sure it would bother me if he was gay, but I always appreciate an expert opinion haha.

    I don't think bringing your mom to the Oscars means your gay. Kind of a bread statement, no? Katherine Heigl brought her mom too.

    I agree with the Ashanti guess. Haven't those rumors been around for years?

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  57. Gamma, phew is right. We've already lost so many hotties...lol.

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  58. I meant broad.

    I think we should be prepared to lose many many more, Twisted. Who's not gay? haha!

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  59. Doesn't Theron bring her mother all the time too?

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  60. lol i watched the show with my mom does that make me gay?? lol

    all night whenever someone came on screen i was like GAY! and poor mom was like "really?".
    the best part was when Travolta came dancing on set she was like "for christs sake quit with the fruity dancing,it was one movie 30 years ago-get over it"
    i love you mom.

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  61. I'm not saying that any man who takes his mother to an awards show is gay, but it certainly gets tongues wagging. If I were a downlow male actor with a few rumors running around, I think I would take any woman besides my mother. Just to halt the talk a bit. Hell, even bring a prostitute -- someone might think you actually want to sleep with her.

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  62. OH MY GOD! I wanna watch tv with your mom, Jax!

    Alpine, it got fingers typing, too.

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  63. lol she rocks.

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  64. is that your way of saying that BRITNEY IS PREGGERS?

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  65. lisa marie presley for #2

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  66. If you're Colin Farrell and you're taking your mom to the Oscars, it's because you have about 5 girlfriends who don't know about each other, so you can't take any 1 of them.

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  67. Why would we not be talking about LIsa Marie Presley. Twist is right it's someone we've been asking enty to stop talking about. And that list includes

    blohan - not a singer
    britney spears - singer
    paris hilton - not a singer he would have said celebutard

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  68. So, if #2 is Brit, then I HOPE TO GOD she isn't the answer to theHIV+ BI! That being said, I'm thinking JLO spit out some blonde headed babies or something!

    Could also be Paris, stretch at calling her a singer, (red herring?)but she is in desperate need of publicity and to keep up with but not outdone by Nicole. Ha! probably spermanated by Anna Nicoles baby daddy, whatshisface!

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  69. #2 is elvis' daughter, lisa marie... pregnant, but not IAR.

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  70. #3. i think this is ricky lake and probably happened after the indy awards sat night. of course her spouse wasn't there, they are getting divorced. oddest hook-up? don't know the actor.....someone much older or very young? maybe asian?ken watanabe?

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  71. Meagan Mullaly and Colin Farrell??!?!

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  72. I thought we weren't talking about Jessica Simpson, too.

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  73. oh, and BTW, Javier Bardem is not gay.

    i mean, in Spain and Latin America, all the great guy actors have to play a gay role at some time.

    ask Antonio Bandera or whatshisname from Mexico who did Amores Perros and The Motorcycle Diaries.

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  74. #3.ricky lake and colin firth (sat night after the indy awards)

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  75. hotseat, I don't think #2 is Lisa Marie Presley; she's married, so I don't think paternity is being questioned.

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  76. Just for fun, I'm gonna guess Gabrielle Carteris (from '90210' and also had a talk show very briefly) and....somebody else! For #3, that is.

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  77. #3 Sally Jessy Raphael and Jeremy Northam.

    Seriously, I like the Megan guess, but the guy would have to be really off-the-wall for the pairing to be truly odd. Wait, is she B-/C+? She did get a bunch of Emmys.

    Lisa Rinna and, uh, Ben Kingsley?

    Ooh, I like Gabrielle, too! Her and, ummmm, Tim Roth!

    I'm gonna stop now.

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  78. I'm voting with captivagrl.

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  79. how about lauren hill for #3 or jessica simpson- i am just tired of all the old guesses?

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  80. If my son was up for an Oscar I woul be pissed if he took anyone but me!!! And I am pretty sure he isn't gay unless the girl he keeps sneaking into his room is a beard! A Mum

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  81. I 2nd the captiva guess. Nice work.

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  82. While everyone is say Brit's the pregnant singer, I have a question: if she was pregnant, could she go to Millennium and dance for several hours a day on multiple occasions now? I would think her bouncing around would risk miscarriage.

    As for the whorin' singer, I'm surprised no one mentioned Rihanna yet. You think she merited having all those prefab hits handed to her?

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  83. #1 is either joss stone or christina aguilera. dallas austin aired it out that he/his crew repeatedly passed them around.

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  84. Anonymous10:17 PM

    Any of the guesses for #1 knows that if they didn't screw a couple of record company execs for a job they'd be slinging burritos at Taco Bell and screwing a minimum wage local yocal. I guess they figure it IS worth it.

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  85. how's this for pairing for #3: rosie o'donnell (not 'legally' married, but does have a wife) and jean claude van damme.

    you gotta admit, i'm totally on to something here.

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  86. @ andy: Rihanna has probably f**ked for tracks, i agree, but she is four or five singles deep into her album right now so I don't think this particular blind is about her. Besides of which I've seen lots of pics of her from this past week and she actually doesn't smile that much.

    Ent is referring back to another blind from a few weeks ago where he mentioned a singer who had to screw for tracks on a new album and thought that was the end of it, only to find out she was going to have to continue screwing around if she wanted any promotion. Ashanti was a common guess for that first blind so I tend to agree with p m here. I have never thought she was very talented, but I can't help but feel sorry for her. I actually want her to sign with 50 and I can't stand him, that's how bad I think Irv and crew are.

    However, I've seen a few pics of Christina Milian out and about as well and it could be her. I can't remember if she still has a label though, I know there were rumors that she was getting dropped last year (esp. after she passed over Umbrella and Rihanna had a hit with it).

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  87. 1)I have no idea about pop singers but the Ashanti guesser seems pretty confident.
    2)If Britney was pregnant wouldn't we all assume it's Adnan's? Unless she's been pregnant for a while and we're only supposed to THINK it's his.
    3)Geez people, Ricky Lake is not married anymore. Neither are Tempest Bledsoe, Whoopi, or Queen Latifah. That leaves that Gabrielle 90210 and GASP Rosie O'Donnell!
    Probably Megan Mulally but who would the married man be who would be such an odd hook-up? Is he very young or old? Is his wife a supermodel?
    Maybe if we went over her talk show guests we would see likely candidates for an inocent dinner between married acquaintances?!

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  88. Have to say, a lot of actors take their mothers to the awards but people only seem to notice if there's some suspicion they might be gay. Some are obviously so, but I can think of many others who took their mothers and no one gave it a second thought except to figure it was so sweet.
    ...So, I'm not someone who thinks every actor is gay, however, there have always been murmers about Colin Farell being a sometime escort (long ago) to none other than Kevin Spacey . Sorry, but it persists and I had to mention it since I was surprised some others hadn't heard it before!

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  89. I also have to add it makes me lmao that Javier Bardem is being gossiped about as closeted! Penelope's rep as a beard is so well established, any actor she dates from now on will be labelled a closeted gay! Geez, can't a girl mix business (Cruise) with pleasure? (Bardem!)

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  90. #1 noe clue.
    #2 Britney... *sigh*
    #3 Rosie O' Donnell and Russel Crowe would be my favourite guess if you talk about odd... Still not sure if Ent would call her "married".

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  91. I like Jax's guess for #3 - Megan Mullaly and Hugh Laurie.

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  92. As a naive Midwesterner, I am surprised at how many talented female singers people assume "fuck for tracks." Are we still such a male-dominated society that a beautiful (bankable) singer with true talent only gets where she is if she's willing to whore herself out? If so, that is so sad and women have made so little progress, IMO. Actually, according to most gossip blogs (including this one), male celebrities have to do the same, and they are all mostly gay or with a past as a male prostitute. Is this really the norm or is it just salacious enough to interest people like us who read and guess this stuff?

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  93. Anonymous6:03 AM

    J-mo, one that comes to mind is Clint Eastwood - he has brought his mother at least once to the Academy Awards. Gosh - I didn't know he was gay? LOL
    Huge Laurie is a good guess - but he's listed as a "film actor in this country" and he (as far as I know) has only done TV in the US.
    Also - if the singer who's preggers is Britney, yes she could be out dancing and not miscarrage. It's amazing what pregnant women can do these days! :)

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  94. #1. janet jackson #2. brit and (sc)rotem jo - mo, when was ricki lake's divorce final?

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  95. very sad re:#1 and I sooo hope it isn't Joss Stone. Whoever it is needs to tell them to eff off, that isn't the only way to get ahead in the biz. If its Ashanti, I'm glad she's leaving Murder Inc. the bastards.

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  96. #1 must be Ashanti. This is what happens when you have no mitigating talent to give you some negotiating power, and the terms of your contract are informal. You think you're going to start out sleeping your way to the top, then it turns out you're signing on for a lifetime of sport-humiliation. She's an adult, it's a choice, and she could step away at any time. But it doesn't sound like a good faith arrangement. I feel bad for her. They seem like creeps. She should go learn a trade.

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  97. People, get a clue, clearly these are the answers:

    #1) Barbra Streisand (bitch f**cks for tracks!)

    #2) Barry Manilow (his new "daddy" is almost 90 and loaded).

    #3) Joan Rivers and Jonathan Rhys Meyers (after the Oscars!)

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  98. Christina Milian is an interesting option for #1; her label dropped her late last year -- the day she was on "Today" promoting her new album, seeming a little frantic.

    These girls are just copying Mariah Carey in a male-dominated industry.

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  99. off topic :
    from Lainey
    Eggs in Public: at an Oscar party on Sunday night, he's been drinking, she's been nagging. Turns into a huge, embarrassingly loud argument about the most personal of matters: she wants babies, he doesn't, and they proceed to yell at each other about it in front of a large audience.

    has to Harrison and Calista

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  100. lainey - clooney and lara?

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  101. I love the Calista and Harrison guess.

    Why would Calista think she is going to get anything she wants in a marriage to Grizzly Puffs? But she does look like the manic emaciated demanding entitled delusional type. Why do stoners and shrews date each other? Is it because they're the only ones who can stand each other? someone who lives to nag and upbraid, and someone who lives to ignore and disappoint. Match made in heaven. Thank God at least one of them is smart enough not to want little abusees. Hope he sticks to his guns.

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  102. He's already fathered two families and is surrogate father to her adopted kid. His second wife bogarted him into marriage when she couldn't manage to break up Francis Ford Coppola's marriage (see Mrs. Coppola's book on the "Apocalypse Now" shoot) and Melissa "settled" for bit-player Ford.

    What on earth made Flockhart think he'd want to start a third family? Odd she's mirroring the story line on "Brothers & Sisters", btw.

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  103. Anonymous9:30 AM

    @diego

    I know it seems frustrating but try to understand for a second:

    Now, before I say this, please understand that I find the vast majority of homosexuals or bisexuals are born they way they are, no question about it.

    But the fact of the matter is, performers are very narcissitic people--they have to be, to have the courage to do what they do. Freud personally believed that some homosexuality was rooted in extreme narcissim. It makes a little sense doesnt it? That you would love yourself so much that eventually your warped little brain connects it with sexual attraction.

    There are other reasons/possibilities, too. Celebrities have a lot of drugs on their hands, to "cope", right? Hugh Grant used to say "The only difference between gay or straight is a few lines of coke" or so say his contemporaries, who insist that he and Liz held the WILDEST Hollywood sex parties where it was "anything goes". It could be that drugs or alcohol, for some people, induce a fearlessness that encourages them to "try new things"...and they find that they like it or it gets them what they want, so they continue to play the game. It could also be that it isnt until theyre under the influence that they feel comfortable enough to explore their own curiosities. While I'm not saying all of Freud's beliefs were entirely valid, I kinda agree with him on the theory that all humans are born innately bisexual, and environmental factors, (such as social cues and parental guidance from a young age)interacting with chemical factors in our bodies, shape which way we "lean", homo or hetero speaking.

    Hollywood also has this very closed-in Us vs Them mentality where things get covered up a lot, any vice you have, you can indulge in--at a price. Its very possible that more people in our day to day lives are gay or bisexual than we ever knew, they just dont have the privacy or security (or enough intoxicants) to be able to act on their impulses.

    And still more, there could be the boys and girls out there playing gay, to get what they want from the higher ups who have a taste for that sort of thing.

    I will also point out that gay men (typically) have less of an issue with doing the things required, artistically, to become a performer, whereas someone more masculine might have more qualms about, say, joining a ballet troupe. "Straight" guys are pressured to put their attentions elsewhere, though I agree that many straight people DO pursue fame through their artistic endeavors, and are successful, despite our society's tendency to lay heavy pressure on boys to "do boy things" and girls to "do girl things".

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  104. Anonymous9:36 AM

    I forgot to add--

    Yeah, it seems like theres an overabundance of gays in Hollywood. But we forget that in a hundred years of cinema, only a slim frame of time has it been "acceptable" as an actor, to be gay. So for years and years we've had publicists lying to us, photo ops with beards, the whole she bang. Now with the internet, NO ONE can hide. So of course it seems like more! Because it is!

    The entertainment business has shaped our views on socially acceptable behavior for years. When its ok in a movie, the rest of the world follows--from the day they put a kiss up on screen in 1896, to Midnight Cowboy to Brokeback Mountain. The publicists and PR reps who promote these people, are contributing to a media-concocted image of "normalcy", both exploiting and capitalizing on an idea of Middle America and The American Dream that everyone is supposed to conform to, citing their wonderful clients as examples. It adds to a image of our culture that no one is gay, only a very few, and so I suppose it probably led to a lot of voluntary subconscious repression. Now that the taboo is being dropped in Hollywood, so are people's personal inhibitions.

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  105. wildflower: actually Hugh has been in several films, including 101 Dalmations (as Jasper), Stuart Little (as the dad) and Flight of the Phoenix.

    and he actually has a past of cheating on his wife when away/on location. it supposedly was over 15 years ago and they've 'worked past it and are happy now' but you know what they say....

    i am not intrigued...

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  106. Anonymous9:55 AM

    de anne, you're absolutely right - my bad.
    I thought that I had read something where he had cheated on her recently also. Or maybe it was just that I read about it recently and it happened a while ago. Sometimes my head spins with all the blinds.

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  107. from Ted at eonline :
    Harrison Ford was very bitchy with Calista Flockhart—somethin’ up there, you rebel twosome? Fits the lainey

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  108. Of course. She's griping at him after he had to deal with Barbara Walters, and he isn't friendly enough with the young people to find weed when he can't get it past security. Alcohol is not strong enough. I bet he gives her a baby just so she'll shut up and leave him alone. Poor Indiana.

    Great scoop on his ex, btw. Thanks Lainie!

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  109. Anonymous3:54 PM

    Javier sounds my alarm in a subtle way which usually means he is straight but has slept with a guy, I definitely believe he has tried it. He could be gay and going right under my radar though.

    I think that is why we get confused as a lot of actors may be atright but have slept with men at some point, then there are the Kevin Spacey's and John Travolta's who are just plain gay.

    I think a lot of straight men fantasise about being with a man like women do about women, artists are more willing to go through with it.

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  110. #2 britney maybe
    why she has looked a little big
    she is dating adnan btu she had other men inn he life
    and shes crazy so her think would be just have a new baby

    but y not she has looked pregs for a long time it would be news by now
    she could just be fat
    she chane smoking
    she on alot of meds and some meds make u fat she danceing
    she was just at UCLA so it would have leaked because they would have found out there

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